Sosokrates
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Well the switch has to slow down eventually.
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PS5 overtakes Nintendo Switch to become 2022’s best-selling console (so far} | UK Monthly Charts - August 2022
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
That's not very many consoles.
The UK is a small market.
Sony needs to start getting more product everywhere. They are going to sell less than consoles than Switch again this year worldwide which should not be happening 2 years in.
If they met demand they could be breaking records.
Woopah
Member
Sony have had a big increase in supply in recent weeks and are starting to meet demand. I think they can continue to meet demand until the holiday season begins.
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
Nintendo is projecting millions more sales for Switch this year worldwide than Sony is PS5's and it's like 6 years old. Usually they come fairly close to their targets.
Sony should be destroying right now but they are not making them fast enough.
No excuse for this even if the supply lines and parts are costly Sony needs to pay whatever it takes to build the install base.
Woopah
Member
I think that says more about Switch's longevity that it does about PS5.
21 million in a year is more than PS4 ever hit in its lifetime. PS5 sales can be below those of Switch and still very impressive.
GhostOfTsu
Banned
Exactly it's not a threat so why they keep bringing it up? You should quote the xbox warriors.
What's cringey is bringing up Nintendo constantly to downplay the PS5 as if you made any points. The Switch don't even have the same library
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
Gaming is growing PS5 could do better than PS4 if they had the stock.
TheTony316
Member
Technically, it's s portable with a docking station. You can use a laptop on a monitor but that doesn't mean it's a desktop PC.
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GHG
Member
GhostOfTsu
Banned
The market disagrees with you. UK is the only chance Xbox had and they are still last. Cope.
Slicker than your average
Banned
Ps5 instantly sells out. Meanwhile series x has been in stock on Amazon for months.
Ogbert
Member
I see we're at the 'Switch isn't ackshually a console' stage of the discussion.
prinz_valium
Member
Still the 3th biggest market by consoles sold until China will finally take over.
Stock ist just improving over the very low first and second quarter sales.
Still lagging behind PS4 quarterly sales. To make up for the gap, PS5 has to do more than PS4 quarterly.
Probably not even happening next holiday season. Maybe in the 4th year. Or never.
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Woopah
Member
It's certainly possible, I'm just saying that the success of the PS5 shouldn't be based purely on it beating the Switch.
What we see in a market like the UK is a good barometer for extrapolating what might be happening with the US, since the two markets are very similar.
Besides that we know in territories like Japan things heavily favor Nintendo but Japan doesn't have a lot of other markets with its type of conditions or broadly similar, so it's a bit of an exception and therefore results there can't really be used to extrapolate for what performances in other markets might look like.
You actually bring up a good point about PSP having HDMI Out to a TV. That actually changes this conversation WRT Switch A LOT. What makes the Switch any less of a portable than the PSP when they can both display their content to a TV, and neither have a dock that provides additional processing power?
This is what makes calling the Switch a home console kind of BS IMO; if it's a home console, then the PSP should be considered a home console too. I think it comes down to optics perception and Nintendo's own marketing why so many want to classify Switch as a console though. If they classify it as a handheld, then sales-wise it actually just trends somewhat better than 3DS but comes well short of the DS, then you have to consider that during the DS's era Nintendo also had the Wii adding another 100 million to DS's 155 million.
In other words, if Switch were classified as a portable then Nintendo not having a home console, takes their peak generational hardware sales from 255 million to just under 120 million, and there's no chance on God' green Earth that Switch or even Switch 2 combined with Switch reach 255 million. Even if they did, it'd of taken them multiple additional years over multiple generations to accomplish it.
But the silly part is, this obsession with people who want to classify Switch as a home console (or "hybrid", when again older portables like the PSP could count as a hybrid, or at least the PSP Go, as it natively supported DualShock 3 controllers), it only happens when your scope for what defines a successful console is limited by unit sales. So it's a bit funny when some PlayStation fans get accused of being narrowly focused on unit sales as the only measure of success worth mentioning, but I see way more Nintendo fans who do that with the Switch
TBH might want to consider switching to Media Create for Japanese numbers, apparently they are more accurate than Famitsu and Nintendo themselves actually use the Media Create numbers, not Famitsu's.
Only issue there is, MC is a paid service, Famitsu's info is free.
PSvita is also a home console, when using same logic as with switch.
There is even home console version of vita, the vita tv.
Calling switch a (pure) home console is just false, yes it can be used as home console, but it is basically a handheld with tv out and there is handheld only model, so it is more of handheld than home console.
It is its own category and most fair thing to compare sales wise is to compare it to combined wii+ds numbers, as it replaced both kind of devices. Comparing it to home console only systems (ps5+xbox) is kind of not logical.
Home console should be a system, that can only be used with TV, anything else is either a portable, or something different. Nintendo also have kind of different audience than playstation/xbox, so it is not like many people choose between them three, they just want nintendo and nothing else.
I have ps5+series x + switch
Switch have never been sold out in my country
PS5 have been sold out since the launch
Series s have been available since the launch
Series x have been mostly sold out, but also available for some months in big quantities, like it have been available for weeks now
So basically same as gens before, playstation always sells out, others dont. But difference is that ps5 have been sold out for years instead of few months. And on world wide scale, PS5 have been the only truly supply constrained system of them all, as switch + xbox have never been sold out on global scale
Lognor
Banned
Technically you can hook a ps5 up to a portable monitor but that doesn't mean it's a portable
Lognor
Banned
Market can't disagree with me. It's based on sales. So in fact the market agrees with me since the Switch is the best selling console currently.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
You can't find a PS5 for msrp in the Netherlands.
Maybe energy crisis will crash demand but I kinda doubt it this country is satanically rich.
Closer
Member
You could also connect a GBA to a GameCube. By that logic, it was a controller just like the Dreamcast with a VMU. The PS1 was also not a console as you could connect to a mobile screen, so it was a portable with a energy cable.
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TheTony316
Member
True but no one ever claimed that the PS5 is a portable.
TheTony316
Member
It is a console, a portable one.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Sony predicts the PS5 to surpass PS4 launch aligned until March 2024. So somewhere during April 2023 until March 2024.Still the 3th biggest market by consoles sold until China will finally take over.
Stock ist just improving over the very low first and second quarter sales.
Still lagging behind PS4 quarterly sales. To make up for the gap, PS5 has to do more than PS4 quarterly.
Probably not even happening next holiday season. Maybe in the 4th year. Or never.
Lognor
Banned
Pretty cool huh
Bernd Lauert
Banned
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prinz_valium
Member
I know. But they missed their last 3 targets, so I don't agree with that forecast at all.
TheGodfather07
Member
so sony are expecting well over 20m next fiscal year. looks like the stock problems will finally come to an end soon and because of a backlog, sales will explode. not to mention big software and any price cuts during that period. i can see PS5 getting its first price cut before holiday 2023.
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
If they expect to sell almost 20M during this year until march it's not weird they can surpass the PS4. That one is like 4 or 5M ahead launch aligned. Hardly something they can't surpass long term.To do that, they need to sell 40m consoles from April 2022 to March 2024.
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If you follow your logic, then you don't need to have an xbox, because every game is on PC, on the first day.
That being said, are you suggesting people wait until the game they want to play comes out on PC a few years after PS5 because that console isn't big enough for you personally?
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
A little bit off topic, but it seems the big PS5 stock increase wasn't exclusive to the UK:
Gran Turismo back to the top of the charts and Horizon from #11 to #7.
Gran Turismo back to the top of the charts and Horizon from #11 to #7.
jm89
Member
Spain too, sold around 6500 week. Looking at the weekly sales this year it has only really sold above that once I think. But real test will be if they can maintain that.A little bit off topic, but it seems the big PS5 stock increase wasn't exclusive to the UK:
Gran Turismo back to the top of the charts and Horizon from #11 to #7.
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They do generally seem optimistic. I will be interested to see what Q4 (their Q3) is like this year, it's going to have to be PS4 levels for sure.
Yeah, that was a good week after a couple of iffy ones. Ruben's disappeared but #2 week this year, there was a 10k week at the start of may and a 6k week at the end.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
I'd bet this will hardly be the best Spain will have in a week this year. I think starting September and then October we'll see even more stock available.
Spain august 21 - Vandal's
Spain august 22
WK30 - 6000
WK31 - 4500
WK32 - 3500
WK33- 1500
WK34 - 2500
WK35 - 6500
https://www.gamereactor.es/breve-ve...ion-se-cuela-en-la-fiesta-de-nintendo-876733/
Just for note/reference
Spain august 22
WK30 - 6000
WK31 - 4500
WK32 - 3500
WK33- 1500
WK34 - 2500
WK35 - 6500
https://www.gamereactor.es/breve-ve...ion-se-cuela-en-la-fiesta-de-nintendo-876733/
Just for note/reference
SLB1904
Banned
there was never a $200 ps4 model.
Neofire
Member
Anyone with two brain cells to rub together will know this entire post is false and is full of hopes and dreams at best.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Long gone are the weeks where PS5 sold 40 units in Spain, lmao.Spain august 21 - Vandal's
Spain august 22
WK30 - 6000
WK31 - 4500
WK32 - 3500
WK33- 1500
WK34 - 2500
WK35 - 6500
https://www.gamereactor.es/breve-ve...ion-se-cuela-en-la-fiesta-de-nintendo-876733/
Just for note/reference
Still a lot of catching up to do. I'm sure September it will keep increasing though.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
His post doesn't even make any sense considering that:
1- PS5 has over 100M monthly players...which is not too far from Switch's overall sales. Unless every Switch user player monthly, i'd say PS is still the market leader.
2- Xbox has Gamepass on PC with day one releases...in what way is having an Xbox a must have? From the 3 consoles it's literally the one that makes less sense, lmao.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
The Switch switches (heh) into a different mode when docked, unlocking more power. And the Switch is priced like a home console, and its games are also priced like home console games. The Switch is also being used as a home console by many people, since the hybrid version vastly outsells the Switch Lite. It's a hybrid home console, there's no way around it
Woopah
Member
I never said there was.
SLB1904
Banned
That was my point
Woopah
Member
Sorry, I don't understand. What is the point you were making?
Lognor
Banned
Yeah that's true. I probably wouldn't have an Xbox if not for game pass. Too good of a deal to pass up. Switch is really the only console you need. Everything else is on pc.
Everything I said is true in my opinion
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Exactly, the switch library absolutely pisses on the ps5 so there's no competition. There's really no surprise the switch is wiping the floor with the ps5 and series x. Once pokemon, bayonetta and zelda launch on switch its going to get another huge boost too.Exactly it's not a threat so why they keep bringing it up? You should quote the xbox warriors.
What's cringey is bringing up Nintendo constantly to downplay the PS5 as if you made any points. The Switch don't even have the same library
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jm89
Member
I think they revised down their forecast by 3 million+ last fiscal year, which was a pretty crazy drop in what they initally expected, i don't buy their current forecast either but defintley not impossible. They also waited until the last quarter to announce the change in expectation, so they may wait last minute to lower that forecast if it happens.
They need to ramp up now though if they want that 18m, as this this year is where most of those sales will come from.
Neofire
Member
Bingo, people like him are just projecting what they hope will happen so they can justify the incantations and prayer sessions they have daily about Sony going bye bye and only Nintendo and MS are left.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
To do that, they need to sell 40m consoles from April 2022 to March 2024.
That's 100% possible actually.
Closer
Member
100% possible but not 100% of possibility. Good luck to Sony.
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Ezekiel_
Banned
Seems very do-ableTo do that, they need to sell 40m consoles from April 2022 to March 2024.
JTCx
Member
They don't care about Nintendo either. Nintendo is only brought up because its only convenient. They constantly hide behind other platforms when it suits them.
Its typical bitch made shit lol.