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[Shubh_C63]

You know the software output for Sony is bad when we're not only counting a Destiny expansion as a game but as two games.

That's a fair point as we never counted Seasons as four releases. And news being Expansions will be a little shorter it might really be just a tad bit bigger than best seasons content wise.
YET, Normie-Destiny2 expansion followed by a StarWars-Destiny2 expansion, I really would count them as 2 big releases because of SW alone.

The peak count at release would be bigger than typical seasons but less than full year expansions.

 

[blacktout]

You missed my point. At the end of the day its just console war bs.

I wasn't responding to any larger point. I was responding to the suggestion that some of the games Woopah listed weren't first party games, which they are by pretty much any reasonable criteria.

Deciding what games count based on "reasons"...

Funded and published? Why not just funded? Why is publishing the key criteria?

I think the simple answer to this is that it's easier to track who published any given game than who funded it. You could definitely argue that "first party" just means "published by the platform holder," and the only reason to even try to figure out funding or IP ownership would be to try to distinguish between games that have weird regional publishing arrangements and other edge cases.

Size and scope isn't a criteria but quality could be? Again, random criteria.

Huh? I didn't suggest that quality could be an objective criteria for distinguishing whether or not something is a first party game. I said the opposite.

If Sony spends 100 million on a game and has to justify a PC release does the lack of exclusivity diminish the game compared to a game that cost 40 million to develop by Nintendo that is exclusive to the Switch?

It might in some people's eyes, since exclusives have long been a way that some consumers judge the "value" of a platform, but, once again, if you reread my post, I didn't suggest that exclusivity was a determining factor in whether or not something "counts" as a first party game.

Again, I think your post is mostly rebutting a larger argument that I didn't make. My point was simply that Woopah was right and Nintendo has been publishing at least 5 or 6 first party games per year on average, which is what you initially balked at.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Sorry, this is where ps5 starts to plateau yoy.

The Switch annihilated the ps4 despite being years later and the Switch 2 will do the same.

I love how we just pretend Wii U wasn't the one releasing close to the PS4 and not the Switch, lmao.

The Switch only exists because Nintendo had to release a console after Wii U flopped badly...that one was the one competing with the PS4 but we just pretend it never happened.

Also...looking at units sold isn't even the main metric for these companies, it's MAU and Playstation has more users.

Y'all rally need to stop thinking about generations. Even Nintendo is starting to not do that.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I wasn't responding to any larger point. I was responding to the suggestion that some of the games Woopah listed weren't first party games, which they are by pretty much any reasonable criteria.



I think the simple answer to this is that it's easier to track who published any given game than who funded it. You could definitely argue that "first party" just means "published by the platform holder," and the only reason to even try to figure out funding or IP ownership would be to try to distinguish between games that have weird regional publishing arrangements and other edge cases.



Huh? I didn't suggest that quality could be an objective criteria for distinguishing whether or not something is a first party game. I said the opposite.



It might in some people's eyes, since exclusives have long been a way that some consumers judge the "value" of a platform, but, once again, if you reread my post, I didn't suggest that exclusivity was a determining factor in whether or not something "counts" as a first party game.

Again, I think your post is mostly rebutting a larger argument that I didn't make. My point was simply that Woopah was right and Nintendo has been publishing at least 5 or 6 first party games per year on average, which is what you initially balked at.

Waht I balked at was that most of those games wouldn't "count" for Sony, because people make different rules in different arguments to suit their purpose. I didn't say they were your arguments.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I love how we just pretend Wii U wasn't the one releasing close to the PS4 and not the Switch, lmao.

The Switch only exists because Nintendo had to release a console after Wii U flopped badly...that one was the one competing with the PS4 but we just pretend it never happened.

Also...looking at units sold isn't even the main metric for these companies, it's MAU and Playstation has more users.

Y'all rally need to stop thinking about generations. Even Nintendo is starting to not do that.

The one reason why I think the PS6 might come out sooner rather than later is that they might want to rush a handheld. Generations are dead. We're now talking about platforms.

No one really talks about PC in the sense of generations.

 

[Woopah]

You seem slave to legacy measurements that don't show the full story...

First is was famitsu/media create charts, now this...

I'm completely fine with including expansions.

This all started when I replied to your claim that Nintendo had never averaged 5-6 first party games a year. I thought you were just talking about full games here, and was showing you this was incorrect.

If you feel my Nintendo list is using a legacy method and doesn't show the full story, then we can include expansions as well. But that makes your original claim even more incorrect.

When you said "Microsoft and Nintendo have never averaged even 5 to 6 titles a year in recent gens," were you counting expansions?

I think it's totally reasonable to count The Final Shape if you were going to also count something like Torna: The Golden Country.

Completely agree.

 

[blacktout]

Waht I balked at was that most of those games wouldn't "count" for Sony, because people make different rules in different arguments to suit their purpose. I didn't say they were your arguments.

Then I'm confused as to why you made those points in a response to me, but I suppose we're otherwise in agreement.

 

[QLQ]

I love how we just pretend Wii U wasn't the one releasing close to the PS4 and not the Switch, lmao.

The Switch only exists because Nintendo had to release a console after Wii U flopped badly...that one was the one competing with the PS4 but we just pretend it never happened.

Also...looking at units sold isn't even the main metric for these companies, it's MAU and Playstation has more users.

Y'all rally need to stop thinking about generations. Even Nintendo is starting to not do that.

Indeed. The Switch is both Wii and DS combined after their successors failed. 3DS was not a total failure, but coming from DS? yeah, akin to PS2 followed by .PS3. So what at its peak was a ~250 million unit installed base (Wii+DS) shrank down to 150+million by Switch alone. Anyway, this is always a nonsensical comparison since Switch is a portable and sells to a different demographic as one.

Edit: Just to add some spice to it. These people so confident the SW2 in the end is going to outsell the PS5 are going to be so flustered it's gonna be fun to watch.

 

[CosmicComet]

I love how we just pretend Wii U wasn't the one releasing close to the PS4 and not the Switch, lmao.

The Switch only exists because Nintendo had to release a console after Wii U flopped badly...that one was the one competing with the PS4 but we just pretend it never happened.

Also...looking at units sold isn't even the main metric for these companies, it's MAU and Playstation has more users.

Y'all rally need to stop thinking about generations. Even Nintendo is starting to not do that.

Lol what is all this cope?? The Wii U released in the PS3 era and failed because the marketing made it seem like it was a Wii Pro instead of a whole new console. The Wii of course crushed the Ps3 and 360 that it launched alongside.

The Switch CRUSHED the PS4 despite launching 3 years later.

Launch aligning it with the PS5 doesn't help your argument since the PS5 is roughly equal with the PS4 in trajectory whereas the Switch is on pace to dethrone the PS2 in sales all while never even reaching $99 the way the PS2 did.

So yeah, Sony is about to lose "best selling console ever" feather from its cap and that means goal post shifting time eh?

This MAU argument makes you sound like a green rat from the Xbone era coping over the PS4 beating it in sales. Now the shoe is on your foot.

Having some MAU advantage when the Playstation ecosystem has COD and Fifa means jack all.

Sony can no longer touch Nintendo in console sales or 1st party exclusive sales OR reviews. The two or three things that really matter.

But tha MAUZ!!@11

Lmao you sound like such a loser.

 

[Fess]

I've stacked up on stocks. Is that a good enough answer what I think will happen?

They'll be in a monopoly position. They'll completely own the highend console market.

So they'll obviously sell far more than any PlayStation before it. They won't just get users from Xbox, millions are still sitting on PS4 and XB1, and there will only be one console to upgrade to soon, some Switch-only kids growing up is going to want a PlayStation too, and some PC gamers.

Things may be bumpy for a while (for political reasons we can't talk about!) but as I see it the risk of them messing up businesswise in the gaming space is slim with no competitor in the living room.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

The one reason why I think the PS6 might come out sooner rather than later is that they might want to rush a handheld. Generations are dead. We're now talking about platforms.

No one really talks about PC in the sense of generations.

I mean...if PS6 was coming next year we would know that by now like we knew about the Pro for like 2 years before it came out. It's also from a marketing perspective a mess to release the PS6 next year. Imagine a PS6 releasing only 2 years after the PS5 Pro...and at what price? Cheaper than a PS5 Pro?

There's no need from a hardware perspective for that to happen. 2027 is already pushing it. If Sony does that, they will keep the PS6 in stores for a long time and try to cater to other demographics. There's a lot of people out there that would buy one if the price goes down (and that also means buying subscription services, etc). Sooner or later that's a possibility.

Indeed. The Switch is both Wii and DS combined after their successors failed. 3DS was not a total failure, but coming from DS? yeah, akin to PS2 followed by .PS3. So what at its peak was a ~250 million unit installed base (Wii+DS) shrank down to 150+million by Switch alone. Anyway, this is always a nonsensical comparison since Switch is a portable and sells to a different demographic as one.

Interesting that both you quoted me and mention generations since one of you guys talk as if they didn't matter and one of you talk about them as if they do. One thing this forum does constantly is to think about consoles as generations nowadays.

PS5 alone has already made Sony 4x the revenue that the PS4 did...i also believ it has a bigger MAU than the PS4 did around the same time in stores (not sure though).

As QLQ mentioned, yes, DS + Wii together sold 250M units, and yet, Switch with 150M is making Nintendo much more money than both DS and Wii combined. This is what these companies are looking at. That's why they are in no rush to decrease their prices.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I'm completely fine with including expansions.

This all started when I replied to your claim that Nintendo had never averaged 5-6 first party games a year. I thought you were just talking about full games here, and was showing you this was incorrect.

If you feel my Nintendo list is using a legacy method and doesn't show the full story, then we can include expansions as well. But that makes your original claim even more incorrect.

When you said "Microsoft and Nintendo have never averaged even 5 to 6 titles a year in recent gens," were you counting expansions?

Again, my point was that Microsoft and Nintendo were not putting out 5-6 games that if Sony put them out people would count them.

People find one reason or another to not count a Sony game.

Oblivion Remaster counts, but a Sony remaster does not.

Sony published a game from a company they didn't own, so it doesn't count, but it counts for Nintendo.

My point was not about the amount of games, my point was pushing back on the claim that Sony doesn't release enough claims. The question about quantity was always rhetorical because I knew he wouldn't answer in a way that was consistent with not being hypocritical.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Lol what is all this cope?? The Wii U released in the PS3 era

PS3 release date: 2006
Wii release date: 2006

Wii U release date: 2012
PS4 release date: 2013

Hum...what?

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I mean...if PS6 was coming next year we would know that by now like we knew about the Pro for like 2 years before it came out. It's also from a marketing perspective a mess to release the PS6 next year. Imagine a PS6 releasing only 2 years after the PS5 Pro...and at what price? Cheaper than a PS5 Pro?

There's no need from a hardware perspective for that to happen. 2027 is already pushing it. If Sony does that, they will keep the PS6 in stores for a long time and try to cater to other demographics. There's a lot of people out there that would buy one if the price goes down (and that also means buying subscription services, etc). Sooner or later that's a possibility.

You mean we might start getting leaks like this?

Did a Cancelled Blade Runner Game Just Leak the PS6 Release Date?

Well, here’s a Blade Runner sequel you didn’t see coming—and it doesn’t even exist. Last week, Insider Gaming broke word that Blade Runner: Time to Live, a new narrative-heavy action-adventure game…

thephrasemaker.com

I just don't buy it from a strategic standpoint, but that calculus changes if their priority is getting a new handheld out as soon as possible and sharing that platform with the PS6.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Lol what is all this cope?? The Wii U released in the PS3 era and failed because the marketing made it seem like it was a Wii Pro instead of a whole new console. The Wii of course crushed the Ps3 and 360 that it launched alongside.

The Switch CRUSHED the PS4 despite launching 3 years later.

Launch aligning it with the PS5 doesn't help your argument since the PS5 is roughly equal with the PS4 in trajectory whereas the Switch is on pace to dethrone the PS2 in sales all while never even reaching $99 the way the PS2 did.

So yeah, Sony is about to lose "best selling console ever" feather from its cap and that means goal post shifting time eh?

This MAU argument makes you sound like a green rat from the Xbone era coping over the PS4 beating it in sales. Now the shoe is on your foot.

Having some MAU advantage when the Playstation ecosystem has COD and Fifa means jack all.

Sony can no longer touch Nintendo in console sales or 1st party exclusive sales OR reviews. The two or three things that really matter.

But tha MAUZ!!@11

Lmao you sound like such a loser.

Nurse!! She's out again!

 

[Mozza]

I love how we just pretend Wii U wasn't the one releasing close to the PS4 and not the Switch, lmao.

The Switch only exists because Nintendo had to release a console after Wii U flopped badly...that one was the one competing with the PS4 but we just pretend it never happened.

Also...looking at units sold isn't even the main metric for these companies, it's MAU and Playstation has more users.

Y'all rally need to stop thinking about generations. Even Nintendo is starting to not do that.

Yes we all need to stop focusing on generations when Sony's latest console is not selling the most units.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Yes we all need to stop focusing on generations when Sony's latest console is not selling the most units.

It isn't? Last time i checked for the past few years it has.

Has it surpassed the console that released in early 2017? No...i don't think it has lol.

 

[bitbydeath]

GAF is an echo chamber and highly cynical. Thinking that a poll on GAF somehow proves something is crazy.

It's like a group of teenage girls who thinks they're cooler for hating on everything current. It's not even a GAF invention.

I don't know if echo chamber is the right word but there are a lot of sleeper accounts (likely duplicates) that don't talk and only vote.

 

[jm89]

Yes we all need to stop focusing on generations when Sony's latest console is not selling the most units.

It's been the number 1 selling console worldwide pretty much every month since stock situation got sorted.

It's ahead of the PS4 in the USA, and a a bit behind the PS4 elsewhere and that's without a price decrease.

 

[tr1p1ex]

IT's weird that the PS5 has a chance to outsell the PS4. There seems to be way fewer games for PS5. And a lot of games until recently were also on PS4. It's been sort of a PS4 Pro Max Plus Extreme.

 

[Mozza]

It isn't? Last time i checked for the past few years it has.

Has it surpassed the console that released in early 2017? No...i don't think it has lol.

The PS4 has been has been on sale for eleven years or so and has sold 117 million units. The Switch has been on sale for around eight years and has sold 152 million. So even though they are not in direct competition the Switch has sold more units. The Wii U on the other hand sold a lot less. Pretty easy to work out to be honest.

 

[Mozza]

It's been the number 1 selling console worldwide pretty much every month since stock situation got sorted.

It's ahead of the PS4 in the USA, and a a bit behind the PS4 elsewhere and that's without a price decrease.

I was not talking about the PS5.

 

[Horseganador]

I love how we just pretend Wii U wasn't the one releasing close to the PS4 and not the Switch, lmao.

The Switch only exists because Nintendo had to release a console after Wii U flopped badly...that one was the one competing with the PS4 but we just pretend it never happened.

Also...looking at units sold isn't even the main metric for these companies, it's MAU and Playstation has more users.

Y'all rally need to stop thinking about generations. Even Nintendo is starting to not do that.

Even with Switch on the market PS4 was the best-selling console in 2017 and 2018, and once PS5 was able to have normal stock in 2022 it was the best-selling system, PS5 would have crazy numbers if in the middle of a pandemic it could be purchased normally but that was not the case, I'm curious about next year and GTAVI, it will break sales records for the console for sure.

 

[Woopah]

Again, my point was that Microsoft and Nintendo were not putting out 5-6 games that if Sony put them out people would count them.

People find one reason or another to not count a Sony game.

Oblivion Remaster counts, but a Sony remaster does not.

Sony published a game from a company they didn't own, so it doesn't count, but it counts for Nintendo.

My point was not about the amount of games, my point was pushing back on the claim that Sony doesn't release enough claims. The question about quantity was always rhetorical because I knew he wouldn't answer in a way that was consistent with not being hypocritical.

It would depend on what he considers a first party game in that 5-6.

If you take the criteria I used for Nintendo and apply it to Sony in 2024, then that exceeds 5-6 first party games. But if you apply it to Sony in 2023, then you don't get 5-6 games.



If you take my croter

 

[playbignbox]

You know the software output for Sony is bad when we're not only counting a Destiny expansion as a game but as two games.

This is one of the funniest threads of all time on NeoGAF, we are seeing Sony Ponies delirious saying that the Nintendo Switch doesn't count, that GTA VI is "exclusive", saying that generations don't matter anymore, that the PS5 will sell more than 150 million units... I've never seen so many people acting so delusional on a gaming forum before.

 

[QLQ]

If you think about it, the Pro took the brunt of the price increase discussion, unnecessarily. It came out first. Arguably Nintendo got hit harder but honestly a lot of that wasn't organic. There are just a ton of people who resent and dislike Nintendo. It comes with being on top. Same for Sony. Look at the reaction to Microsoft raising prices heavily. It was strong but gone quickly. Switch 2 and PS5 Pro pricing were monumental social events in the industry. The more people that love you the more people that hate you, because love and hate are two sides of the same coin. MS price increases just amounted to a few taunts from console warriors and a whole lot of apathy. Happy safe little things that satisfy people don't sell. You gotta get all the emotions involved and kick around the hornets nest to get people excited about their purchasing decisions and incentivized to follow thru.

I know the Switch 2 will be a success because they got the hardware right and it is extremely culturally relevant right now. EVERYBODY knows about, is happy and/or mad about Switch 2. When "everybody" does anything, people will make a lot of money. In the states, Christmas is about buying those overpriced toys that you can't otherwise afford. It's a perfect gift. The issue Nintendo will have is stock. Can they keep it on the shelves during this crucial holiday?

Another thing for me is the meta on mario kart. I think it would get, ya know, 9.8/10 if it was offline. Nintendo has obviously created a MKMMO here on the scale of BotW and it's gonna be huge....but if it is laggy and the online sucks it will not get a 9.8/10 metacritic. Online issues could derail the meta here and cause some issues with the hardware since this is the true system seller this time around.

I agree. Nothing says more about your product being dead (Xbox), than the discussion dying so quickly about such outrageous price increases.

 

[RoboFu]

Pass wind is more like it... am i right!?

 

[playbignbox]

It isn't? Last time i checked for the past few years it has.

Has it surpassed the console that released in early 2017? No...i don't think it has lol.

Dude, what the hell are you doing with your math?

PS4 (March 2017 to March 2022): ~57.2 million

PS5 (November 2020 to February 2025): ~75 million

Total: ~132.2 million units sold

The Nintendo Switch, in that exact same period, has already sold over 150 million units.

150M > 132M

Let's stop all this nonsense of arguing against numbers.

EDIT:

Or if you want just to compare the entire period that the PS5 has been on the market (53 months) vs the first 53 months of the Switch:

Switch ~87.5 million
PS5 ~75.3 million

 

[mayham2199]

Sony will absolutely raise the price of their games, and further stall the generation's second half.

1. They were the first out of the game with the USD$70.00 base price.
2. They were the first to introduce paid patches to bump resolutions and frame rates.
3. Optics demands equality; if their games are priced under everyone else's, it could be perceived Sony thinks they're lower quality.
4. Players have demonstrated a willingness to buy Sony's products at inflated prices.
5. Sony has no competition to force it to keep its prices lower to compete.
6. Shareholders always demand higher returns, which either requires more customers - which don't exist - or higher prices.
7. Sony has demonstrated a desire to continue to push hardware pricing higher to maintain its current profit ratios.

Not only will Sony increase the costs of its games, I suspect it'll match Nintendo's prices to force user comparisons and not leave money on the table. If Mario Kart World sells for USD$90.00, and people pay it, you better fucking believe Sony will want The Last Of Us Part 1 Remake Remastered Complete Edition Redux on store shelves for USD$90.00.

Taketwo was actually the first company to charge $70 for games.

 

[mayham2199]

Some lads need to seriously recalibrate their expectations regarding a GTA 6 sales bump when there's so many PS5s flooding the pre-owned market. That's where a lot of casuals will be investing.

I do think a lot of casuals will get it that way but not that many. People still have a healthy fear of meeting a random stranger with $300+ in cash for an electronic item they can't test. Not to mention now there's videos online all the times about people getting ripped off or robbed.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

The PS5 totally wasn't supply constrained for almost 1.5 to 2 years due to Covid. Totally wasn't.

PS5 beat PS4 which didn't have covid.
Regardless of the spin... Switch 2 is getting ready to trounce what PlayStation achieved.

 

[Mr Moose]

Or if you want just to compare the entire period that the PS5 has been on the market (53 months) vs the first 53 months of the Switch:

Switch ~87.5 million
PS5 ~75.3 million

Huh? Why are you using numbers from 2024?

 

[playbignbox]

Huh? Why are you using numbers from 2024?

Because it's the last Sony report that I remember and I can compare the same period of time.

But I wrote it wrong there, the 75 million report was for the end of December 2024 = 49 months on the market (November 2020 - December 2024), not 53

In 49 months on the market (March 2017 - April 2021) the Switch had sold approximately 85 million.

Source:

https://venturebeat.com/games/nintendo-switch-hits-84-59-million-units-sold-with-28-8-million-sold-this-past-year

PS5 shipments top 75 million

PlayStation 5 has shipped 75 million units worldwide, Sony announced in its financial results for the three months ended December 31, 2024.

www.gematsu.com

If you have more recent reports that I can compare the dates to, you can share them too.

 

[QLQ]

EDIT:

Or if you want just to compare the entire period that the PS5 has been on the market (53 months) vs the first 53 months of the Switch:

Switch ~87.5 million
PS5 ~75.3 million

Hey, first time I see that comparison. Is that accurate? If so, that is great for PS5 which was incredibly scarce for 2 years (Switch wasn't), sells for $500, while Switch sells for $300 and has a $200 model after 2.5 years in the market.

Edit: So 85 million Switch, 75 million PS5 launch-aligned? Not bad at all for PS5.

 

[TKOFromTokyo]

Hey, first time I see that comparison. Is that accurate? If so, that is great for PS5 which was incredibly scarce for 2 years (Switch wasn't), sells for $500, while Switch sells for $300 and has a $200 model after 2.5 years in the market.

Edit: So 85 million Switch, 75 million PS5 launch-aligned? Not bad at all for PS5.

Don't forget that the Switch was coming off of the bomb of the Wii U, the general audience was skeptical of it. Is that the same as COVID? No, but it would have definitely had an impact on early adoption rates that should not be ignored. Many people thought the Switch was an underpowered piece of tech that would likely fail or be a mediocre success.

 

[QLQ]

Don't forget that the Switch was coming off of the bomb of the Wii U, the general audience was skeptical of it. Is that the same as COVID? No, but it would have definitely had an impact on early adoption rates that should not be ignored. Many people thought the Switch was an underpowered piece of tech that would likely fail or be a mediocre success.

It debuted with Botw.... so

 

[TKOFromTokyo]

It debuted with Botw.... so

Say what you want, but you're still wrong. It's in the actual numbers and Nintendo's original forecasts.

 

[Killer8]

If onQ123 says it is happening, it is happening.

Please predict the lottery numbers for me next.

 

[QLQ]

Say what you want, but you're still wrong. It's in the actual numbers and Nintendo's original forecasts.

?

85 million Switch vs 75 million PS5 after 49 months make PS5 look amazingly good, period. Don't even need context here. If that bothers you get that checked by a shrink.

 

[TKOFromTokyo]

?

85 million Switch vs 75 million PS5 after 49 months make PS5 look amazingly good, period. Don't even need context here. If that bothers you get that checked by a shrink.

lol, I add relevant context and you respond with ad hominem attacks. It seems like you've got the problem.

 

[QLQ]

lol, I add relevant context and you respond with ad hominem attacks. It seems like you've got the problem.

You started being a prick telling me "I'm wrong". It clearly bothers you. I can't help you, take it to your shrink.

 

[TKOFromTokyo]

You started being a prick telling me "I'm wrong". It clearly bothers you. I can't help you, take it to your shrink.

Clearly you don't understand the meaning of ad hominem because my response wasn't that and you're resorting to it again. I'll stop wasting my time talking to you.

 

[onQ123]

Because it's the last Sony report that I remember and I can compare the same period of time.

But I wrote it wrong there, the 75 million report was for the end of December 2024 = 49 months on the market (November 2020 - December 2024), not 53

In 49 months on the market (March 2017 - April 2021) the Switch had sold approximately 85 million.

Source:

https://venturebeat.com/games/nintendo-switch-hits-84-59-million-units-sold-with-28-8-million-sold-this-past-year

PS5 shipments top 75 million

PlayStation 5 has shipped 75 million units worldwide, Sony announced in its financial results for the three months ended December 31, 2024.

www.gematsu.com

If you have more recent reports that I can compare the dates to, you can share them too.

The new numbers will come out tonight

Sony Group Portal - FY2023 Q2 Earnings Announcement

www.sony.com

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Clearly you don't understand the meaning of ad hominem because my response wasn't that and you're resorting to it again. I'll stop wasting my time talking to you.

Say what you want, but you're still wrong. It's in the actual numbers and Nintendo's original forecasts.

lol, I add relevant context and you respond with ad hominem attacks. It seems like you've got the problem.

He's really triggered by Nintendo.
I would stop responding to him and his never ending circle jerks.

 

[QLQ]

Clearly you don't understand the meaning of ad hominem because my response wasn't that and you're resorting to it again. I'll stop wasting my time talking to you.

Your context is trash. PS5 was imposible to find at a physical store for almost two years and you want to compare that to "forecast and skeptical people" just get the fuck outta here with that bullshit.

 

[QLQ]

He's really triggered by Nintendo.
I would stop responding to him and his never ending circle jerks.

You two go to the same shrink? Here's a tip for you both: He's doing a lousy job.

 

[mopspear]

Rome survived a long time with two consuls so I don't know why you guys can't.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

You two go to the same shrink? Here's a tip for you both: He's doing a lousy job.

 

[DeepEnigma]

PS5 beat PS4 which didn't have covid.
Regardless of the spin... Switch 2 is getting ready to trounce what PlayStation achieved.

Ok

 

[LakeOf9]

This thread has been fucking hilarious, it's been full of idiots making idiotic arguments. So entertaining.

Did they?

Switch was released in 2017 , PS5 was released in 2020 but PS4 was also selling in Switch timeline which would bring us to around 190 million PlayStations sold since 2013

If this is how you want to do it (it is completely batshit lunacy and cope of the highest order to do it this way, but I want to prove to you how wrong you are, so let's), then PS4 sold 55 million units after March 2017; using that plus the 75 million PS5 sold, the total console sales for PlayStation between 2017 to now are 130 million.

Guess what the total console sales for just the Switch are in this period.

Isn't it ironic that the last year or so people on here was trying to push the narrative that without Microsoft directly competing with PlayStation it was going to be bad for the consumer because of lack of competition but Nintendo & Microsoft jumped out ahead of PlayStation with the higher Game prices & Series X is around $100 more than PS5 ( for now)

Sony has raised the prices of hardware, software, and services three separate times this generation in every country except the U.S.

Believe it or not, there is a whole world that exists outside of the U.S.! I hope you get to see it one day

Seriously does Sony have any big titles confirmed for 2025.
Are there any "i must own a PS5" games on the horizon?

This is so fucking stupid, Sony has Ghost of Yotei and Death Stranding 2 for this year as first party exclusives, Lost Soul Aside as a second party partner game, and Marathon as a first party release that's launching Multiplatform. That's also not counting releases like Intergalactic or Wolverine.

Please tell me the 5-6 games Nintendo has released on a yearly basis the last 3-4 years.

2022:

Pokemon Legends Arceus
Pokemon Scarlet/Violet
Xenoblade Chronicles 3
Splatoon 3
Kirby and the Forgotten Land
Bayonetta 3

2023:

The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom
Super Mario Bros. Wonder
Pikmin 4
Fire Emblem Engage
Pokemon Detective Pikachu Returns
Metroid Prime

2024:

The Legend of Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom
Mario and Luigi: Brothership
Super Mario Party Jamboree
Emio The Smiling Man
Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door

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Just to be clear, this is not every Nintendo game released in these years, not even by the current standards we are applying, I just picked a handful of notable games to make the point. Nintendo averages one major release every month, their level of output, at least quantitatively, is incomparable to any other company on the market. The fact that this has to be explained boggles my mind.

I love how we just pretend Wii U wasn't the one releasing close to the PS4 and not the Switch, lmao.

The Switch only exists because Nintendo had to release a console after Wii U flopped badly...that one was the one competing with the PS4 but we just pretend it never happened.

Also...looking at units sold isn't even the main metric for these companies, it's MAU and Playstation has more users.

Y'all rally need to stop thinking about generations. Even Nintendo is starting to not do that.

I actually agree with you on the first half of what you said, Nintendo fanboys have a tendency to ignore the Wii U and how badly it failed; the Switch was an amazing recovery, but it was an amazing recovery from Nintendo's first attempt to go up against the PS4, which failed so badly they had to release a second system in the same generation.

That said, just as a heads up, Nintendo's reported active user figure as of last count was 125 million, which is the exact same as PlayStation's, so you are wrong about the second thing, both companies report roughly the same number of active users (obviously there is minor variation from one reporting period to the next).