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[Shaki12345]

Makes no sense to raise the console price if there aren't any new games.

Microsoft's raise was insane but at least they bring the goods.

Same goes for Nintendo.

 

[Same ol G]

Thats in Euros, weaker than the dollar, so of course its going to cost more.

My god please do your homework before making comments like this it took me 2 seconds to look it up.
Right now 1eu = 1.11 usd.
Since when is the euro weaker than the dollar.

It was even higher if you look at the graph

 

[Pedro Motta]

Seriously does Sony have any big titles confirmed for 2025.
Are there any "i must own a PS5" games on the horizon?

Death Stranding 2 and Ghost of Yotei are reason enough.

 

[BigLee74]

Holy cock-sucking thread, Batman!

 

[TKOFromTokyo]

My god please do your homework before making comments like this it took me 2 seconds to look it up.
Right now 1eu = 1.11 usd.
Since when is the euro weaker than the dollar.

It was even higher if you look at the graph

The euro was weaker than the dollar in 2022 for a brief time. I used to have to track it on a regular basis because we had euro transfer pricing at the company I worked for.

 

[Topher]

Makes no sense to raise the console price if there aren't any new games.

Microsoft's raise was insane but at least they bring the goods.

Same goes for Nintendo.

Vast majority of new games are released on both Xbox and PlayStation. Microsoft is "bringing the goods" to PlayStation as well.

 

[Mr Moose]

You give too much importance to bundled games sales.

Maybe I should bring out gamepass player count?

I know, right?

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I guess we have around 24 hours before we find out if PlayStation is going to push their prices up

Eh, I don't think any price increase is going to align with their earnings report just because Microsoft's did.

If the BLOPS datamine is accurate, we're probably going to get an announcement on that by next Thursday.

I don't think prices are going to go up, especially with this tariff pause. If they weren't sufficiently stockpiled before, they will be now.

 

[Kerotan]

Makes no sense to raise the console price if there aren't any new games.

Microsoft's raise was insane but at least they bring the goods.

Same goes for Nintendo.

There are situations where it does. Let's suppose they have 2 million already produced and only plan on making another 3 million. That's 5 million total to sell over the next 1-2 years. At a lower price they'll sell quicker and ultimately leave a shortage or they can increase the price and sell them slower but ultimately make more profit.

@OP
I think what's surprising to most people is how strong PS5 sales have remained at such a high price while maintaining it's premium console image. I think this year will be helped by MS speedrunning half their exclusive catalogue onto playstation and next year will be helped by GTA VI.

2027 onwards it'll need somewhat of a price drop to maintain momentum. If the PS6 launches at 699 the PS5 at 399 or less is a viable alternative.

 

[Black_Stride]

Death Stranding 2 and Ghost of Yotei are reason enough.

Ohhhh I forgot about Death Stranding 2.
That does look interesting.

Do we understand what 'sorta kinda' means ?
~80/100 people still will play on PS5. Would GTA6 if only was releasing on Google Stadia and PS5, would not be considered practically a PS5 exclusive when sales are considered.

So NOT exclusive at all?

If the game is completely unabashedly available on another platform, no one can claim that game to be exclusive to any platform.
Not sorta exclusive, its just NOT exclusive.
Not kinda exclusive, its just NOT exclusive.
Not 80% exclusive, its just NOT exclusive.

Even when games are released on Stream and PS5, the "console" exclusive tag doesnt make the game a PS5 exclusive.
If the game released on Ouya and PS5 it wouldnt be a PS5 exclusive.

 

[SpokkX]

I personally think it will not surpass PS4 - PC will eat into whatever market Xbox now leaves

 

[Shaki12345]

Vast majority of new games are released on both Xbox and PlayStation. Microsoft is "bringing the goods" to PlayStation as well.

Sure, but Sony doesn't do anything ATM to differentiate it from Xbox. They have no first party games

 

[Mr Moose]

Sure, but Sony doesn't do anything ATM to differentiate it from Xbox. They have no first party games

What is this nonsense?
They have first party games, and guess what? They are actually exclusive*, unlike Xbox.


*At least for a while.

 

[Shaki12345]

What is this nonsense?
They have first party games, and guess what? They are actually exclusive*, unlike Xbox.


*At least for a while.

Let's agree to disagree. I don't see any reason to validate a price increase. Not without first party games.

 

[Mr Moose]

Let's agree to disagree. I don't see any reason to validate a price increase. Not without first party games.

I must've missed them announce a price increase. You know Ghost is coming soon, right? And DS2. No first party games is just straight up lies.

 

[Pedro Motta]

Let's agree to disagree. I don't see any reason to validate a price increase. Not without first party games.

But they have first party games, where are you getting at?

 

[Shaki12345]

But they have first party games, where are you getting at?

A few. But not enough. Again, let's agree to disagree. I'm not a happy PS5 owner.

 

[Mr Moose]

They have no first party games

A few. But not enough.

 

[Shaki12345]

They have a few, as in; not this year but in the past. Not interested in cheap remakes.

 

[Topher]

Sure, but Sony doesn't do anything ATM to differentiate it from Xbox. They have no first party games

And your point would make sense if pricing was based on how long it has been since the last first party game was released, but that isn't how it works. Based solely on supply and demand, PlayStation has more justification for raising prices than Xbox.

 

[Mr Moose]

They have a few, as in; not this year but in the past. Not interested in cheap remakes.

 

[Pedro Motta]

They have a few, as in; not this year but in the past. Not interested in cheap remakes.

You're a troll, GTFO.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I must've missed them announce a price increase. You know Ghost is coming soon, right? And DS2. No first party games is just straight up lies.

People honestly believe that if they say it enough, it'll become true.

 

[Shaki12345]

2 games in a year? I mean come on.

But it's great you're happy with it. I'm not, and that's my right as a customer. We can agree to disagree.

We don't have to have the same opinion. Have a good day.

 

[Same ol G]

The euro was weaker than the dollar in 2022 for a brief time. I used to have to track it on a regular basis because we had euro transfer pricing at the company I worked for.

I know you can even see it on the graph if you scale it to last 5 years.
But just as you said that was for a brief time normally the euro is stronger.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Makes no sense to raise the console price if there aren't any new games.

Microsoft's raise was insane but at least they bring the goods.

Same goes for Nintendo.

I have no idea if comments like these are for real or not.

Most game sales on Playstation platforms have always been multiplatform games. The entire concept of Playstation was always about being a platform for developers. All games releasing in there and that's it. 1st party games are "just" a plus and have always been like that. GTA, COD, Assassin's Creed titles and F2P games have always been the most played and bought games on PS platforms since the PS3 days...it's not first party games even if some of them are also best sellers. That, plus all the 3rd party deals that Sony has always done for games like FFXVI, FFVII Rebirth, Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin, etc

This year alone they have Death Stranding 2, Ghost of Yotei, Marathon, another MLB game, at least 2 Destiny 2 releases (i think?), they got a 3rd party deal for Lost Soul Aside which is console exclusive. We're in May and we're still getting all of that. How is that "no new games"?

MS is also releasing all of their games on PS5. No one cares if the games are done by studios MS bought when those IPs were already established. No one looks at Doom, COD, etc and thinks "wow, what a great MS title". In fact COD is now tied to Playstation in such a way that PS5 is about to release a COD bundle...while they are a Microsoft IP, meaning MS themselves know where the money is. You don't see Xbox hardware with a COD title. That says everything you need to know.

 

[jm89]

This FY it's gonna really lose momentum.

GTA6 will obviously give it a huge boost next year, but they really need a huge price cut after the gta6 boost dies down.

Sony right now should be out for blood with Xbox fumbling, there should be taking what's left of the Xbox userbase. But they are coasting, and even being a bit too complacent with pc gaming on the rise.

 

[Shaki12345]

I have no idea if comments like these are for real or not.

Most game sales on Playstation platforms have always been multiplatform games. The entire concept of Playstation was always about being a platform for developers. All games releasing in there and that's it. 1st party games are "just" a plus and have always been like that. GTA, COD, Assassin's Creed titles and F2P games have always been the most played and bought games on PS platforms since the PS3 days...it's not first party games even if some of them are also best sellers. That, plus all the 3rd party deals that Sony has always done for games like FFXVI, FFVII Rebirth, Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin, etc

This year alone they have Death Stranding 2, Ghost of Yotei, Marathon, another MLB game, at least 2 Destiny 2 releases (i think?), they got a 3rd party deal for Lost Soul Aside which is console exclusive. We're in May and we're still getting all of that. How is that "no new games"?

MS is also releasing all of their games on PS5. No one cares if the games are done by studios MS bought when those IPs were already established. No one looks at Doom, COD, etc and thinks "wow, what a great MS title". In fact COD is now tied to Playstation in such a way that PS5 is about to release a COD bundle...while they are a Microsoft IP, meaning MS themselves know where the money is. You don't see Xbox hardware with a COD title. That says everything you need to know.

I am disappointed in the lack of first party games is all I said. I have that right as a customer. My comments are on topic.

I don't see any reason for a increase in price. Like I said before.

Now, we don't have to agree here. So, have a good day and enjoy whatever you want to play today.

 

[Woopah]

GTA will give PS5 a boost, but overall I expect it to follow a pretty standard decline curve (depending on tarrifs of course).

The decline of Xbox as a competitor has already been helping PS5 sales, though it will help more in the US with the latest price increases.

In terms of Switch 2, the only $80 game so far is Mario Kart World and that is going to be massive. There's no benefit to PS5 sales from the release of Switch 2.

What about?... i will tell you what about them:

.

That's why I mentioned consolidation. These few poor people who think Nintendo is still competing in the home console market are living in nostalgic times

They compete in the same way they did with the Wii. The type of home console audience that the Wii appealed to has largely moved onto the Switch.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Btw when is Sony going to announce their yearly predictions? That's going to give us an idea on what's coming. That said? I expect this year to have less PS5 sales then next year tbh.

 

[Mr Moose]

2 games in a year? I mean come on.

But it's great you're happy with it. I'm not, and that's my right as a customer. We can agree to disagree.

We don't have to have the same opinion. Have a good day.

2 games is 2 more than none. Yours isn't an opinion it's a lie.

 

[jm89]

Btw when is Sony going to announce their yearly predictions? That's going to give us an idea on what's coming. That said? I expect this year to have less PS5 sales then next year tbh.

Tomorrow.

Considering a possible price increase in the USA, I'd be surprised if they forecast more then 15 million for next fy, I think it might do worse then that.

 

[Fafalada]

The game being 4 years old is irrelevant, as it's a current-gen release that's completely new to the Playstation userbase.

Well - no, if it's being bought just by Xbox fans as you suggested, then it being an old game absolutely matters. Not to mention it's on GP - so why would millions of XBox fans bother in the first place?
Also beyond that - the first week of sales / front-loaded audience on every game is people who are very familiar with IPs in the particular genre, so I just don't see the 'new to the userbase' play into it until we see the tail sales.
And lest we forget other 'completely new titles' to PS userbase kind of bombed relative to it, so it's pretty evident FH has a wider reach than many other XBox IPs.

Forza doesn't have the same pull on Playstation as it does on Xbox or PC.

They only need to pull in about 10% of the userbase to outsell GT though

It would, but I was just pointing out that it's unrealistic, even as a hypothetical.

TBH - since we no longer get sales updates from GT, it's a bit harder to tell how well it's doing nowadays. I mean presumably still not quite hitting the 14M (or there abouts) high of GT4 - but how far off is it really.

 

[Shaki12345]

2 games is 2 more than none. Yours isn't an opinion it's a lie.

You're right. 2 is more than 0. Have a good day and enjoy it.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I am disappointed in the lack of first party games is all I said. I have that right as a customer. My comments are on topic.

I don't see any reason for a increase in price. Like I said before.

Now, we don't have to agree here. So, have a good day and enjoy whatever you want to play today.

Assuming you're not trolling. What is the appropriate number of first party games?

 

[Shaki12345]

Assuming you're not trolling. What is the appropriate number of first party games?

5 or 6 a year at least. Microsoft did it and Nintendo does it.

 

[Unknown?]

Sure, but Sony doesn't do anything ATM to differentiate it from Xbox. They have no first party games

Neither did PS1.

5 or 6 a year at least. Microsoft did it and Nintendo does it.

UUhhhhhh, Microsoft certainly did not do that, that's why they had to buy the world's biggest publishers. Nintendo had many dry years.

 

[Shaki12345]

Neither did PS1.

Correct mate.

 

[KungFucius]

Did they?

Switch was released in 2017 , PS5 was released in 2020 but PS4 was also selling in Switch timeline which would bring us to around 190 million PlayStations sold since 2013

This is a really, really bad comparison. You are conflating 2 gens and comparing some stupid overlap to one system. Switch sold more units than PS4 and will have sold more than PS5. The only argument to be made is that the 2 markets themselves aren't a complete overlap. There are much fewer great kid friendly games on PS5 compared to Switch. There are also fewer story dense, AAA Sony style games on Switch. Some gamers prefer one to another. Some just want both because they like good games and don't need to make things into some stupid console war which is basically for people who can't afford more than one platform getting fanatical about the one they chose.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

5 or 6 a year at least. Microsoft did it and Nintendo does it.

That you edited this from 6 or 7, I think, highlights that even you know you're full of it.

Microsoft and Nintendo have never averaged even 5 to 6 titles a year in recent gens.

Microsoft spent 80 billion dollars to expand their publishing in an entirely unprecedented move and even they won't average that moving forward.

Please tell me the 5-6 games Nintendo has released on a yearly basis the last 3-4 years.

 

[Shaki12345]

That you edited this from 6 or 7, I think, highlights that even you know you're full of it.

Microsoft and Nintendo have never averaged even 5 to 6 titles a year in recent gens.

Microsoft spent 80 billion dollars to expand their publishing in an entirely unprecedented move and even they won't average that moving forward.

Please tell me the 5-6 games Nintendo has released on a yearly basis the last 3-4 years.

I'm on mobile and on the road. Nintendo has released more than 5/6 1st party games per year the last few years.

I don't see this discussion going anywhere. You can easily find these games yourself.

Again: have a good day and enjoy it.

 

[FrankWza]

Assuming you're not trolling. What is the appropriate number of first party games?

He lives in a world where years are 4 months long and console generations are 4 years long. I recognize his avatar from the Pro thread. Complaining just to complain

 

[Romulus]

Imagine ps2/ps1 levels of exclusives on ps5. The majority of people buying the ps5 have no idea how shitty this is and I guess that helps.

 

[Unknown?]

Imagine ps2/ps1 levels of exclusives on ps5. The majority of people buying the ps5 have no idea how shitty this is and I guess that helps.

Bu bu but people here are talking 1st party and PS1/2 had very few of those and their biggest titles were 3rd party. Guess people now have it the same. Shame.

 

[QLQ]

I can play both those games on PC

Not sure your end game. Doesn't matter to me if one platform sells 10000000000 copies and the other sells 3. It's available

Im just not a console fanboy. Owned them all since NES era. Matters none which sells more to me. On which platform.

So no matter how many great games Sony releases Playstation is going to be shit if those great games are also released on PC, did I get it right?

 

[FrankWza]

Bu bu but people here are talking 1st party and PS1/2 had very few of those and their biggest titles were 3rd party. Guess people now have it the same. Shame.

Until the oblivion remaster, Playstation remasters was the narrative. Now it has to be first party exclusives.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Bu bu but people here are talking 1st party and PS1/2 had very few of those and their biggest titles were 3rd party. Guess people now have it the same. Shame.

People are just out here making disingenuous arguments because the plastic box they wanted to sell more than another plastic box, didn't.

Do AAA games take longer to develop? Absolutely. Has Sony shied away from AA games and focused that more on 2nd and 3rd parties? Absolutely.

The games are still on PS5 though. A lot of these games won't be exclusive, but not sure why that would define whether or not someone enjoys it. I've never thought to myself, I wish more people weren't able to play this game I really enjoyed. If games like Killzone and Resistance had hit PC back in the day, those franchises still might be around today.

As far as AAA publishing, not sure anyone who is doing a better job in the industry than Sony right now. They're able to generate popular new IP like no one else is doing consistently. They've also made the best use of licensed IP than anyone else I've seen in the industry.

Has it been perfect? Obviously not. You're going to have wins and losses in anything, but Sony did a good job to position the PS5 where it is. It's going to easily clear PS4 and it'll be interesting to see how close it gets to the PS2*

*assuming they don't increase prices

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Tomorrow.

Considering a possible price increase in the USA, I'd be surprised if they forecast more then 15 million for next fy, I think it might do worse then that.

It depends...but i'm expecting 15/16M for this fiscal year (April 2025/March 2026) and the same for next actually (April 2026/March 2027) for a total of 105/110M around March 2027. The console will remain stable for the next 2 fiscal years now due to GTAVI being delayed.

 

[Kerotan]

Ohhhh I forgot about Death Stranding 2.
That does look interesting.



So NOT exclusive at all?

If the game is completely unabashedly available on another platform, no one can claim that game to be exclusive to any platform.
Not sorta exclusive, its just NOT exclusive.
Not kinda exclusive, its just NOT exclusive.
Not 80% exclusive, its just NOT exclusive.

Even when games are released on Stream and PS5, the "console" exclusive tag doesnt make the game a PS5 exclusive.
If the game released on Ouya and PS5 it wouldnt be a PS5 exclusive.

You are right but the reality is the hardware boost every third party game gives is 80% on the PS5. The splits are huge and with GTA VI coming over a year after MS threw in the towel more XB1 owners will be upgrading to PS5 then a series and pretty much all PS4 upgraders will choose the PS5.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

You are right but the reality is the hardware boost every third party game gives is 80% on the PS5. The splits are huge and with GTA VI coming over a year after MS threw in the towel more XB1 owners will be upgrading to PS5 then a series and pretty much all PS4 upgraders will choose the PS5.

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people upgrade and trade in their XSS to get a PS5 or PS5 Pro when it comes out.

There's just no way this thing is going to play well on XSS.