Buggy Loop
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Oh and the Matrix Awakens demo on consoles is RT Lumen
Runs even on Series S
Runs even on Series S
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your trolling becuase your not explaining anything other than reposting your gif collection... time and time again.. u just look immature... your interested in arguing about semantics rather than the actual topic... in your reasoning games are also cgi just as pre renderd films because they are computer graphics and all phones are personal computers because they are computers!... the argument is about hardware rt vs hybrid rt/ traditional raster techniques so get with it and stop slapping out gifs becuase u cant explain yourself
Everybody: This is a carseems this thread is turning to a meme! thread from all this nonesense gifs u keep posting...
Oh and the Matrix Awakens demo on consoles is RT Lumen
Runs even on Series S
yeah keep posting jokes... mr joker hahahaha everybody laugh .. hahahahaaEverybody: This is a car
Kingyala: no its not its a hybride
Everybody: but its still a car
Kingyala: no its a hybride its different
You put yourself in that position, if you read your own posts you will see how delusional you sound. I showed you everything and yet you kept going with the same bullshit. You just can't accept that you was wrong and started to flip flopping.yeah keep posting jokes... mr joker hahahaha everybody laugh .. hahahahaa
Oh and the Matrix Awakens demo on consoles is RT Lumen
Runs even on Series S
all you showed is gifs and u keep reposting what ive posted you havent explained or come out with any clear arguments..You put yourself in that position, if you read your own posts you will see how delusional you sound. I showed you everything and yet you kept going with the same bullshit. You just can't accept that you was wrong and started to flip flopping.
And thats why Nvidia is better because they have dedicated hardware for RT. But funny enough you are hating them which is ironic.exctly runs even on series s because its not hardware raytracing or triangoe raytracing, lumen is hybrid it doesnt actually trace triangles... the problem isnt raytracing its the techniques used hardware rt is expensive and takes alot of resources.. this is the argument
Sorry its not my problem if you can't read. Everybody in this thread understands what it is except you.all you showed is gifs and u keep reposting what ive posted you havent explained or come out with any clear arguments..
exctly runs even on series s because its not hardware raytracing or triangoe raytracing, lumen is hybrid it doesnt actually trace triangles... the problem isnt raytracing its the techniques used hardware rt is expensive and takes alot of resources.. this is the argument
Maybe his monitor is filtering out the word "Hardware" for him, maybe thats the reason he can't read it.Holy fuck you're one dense motherfucker.
IT'S
HARDWARE
ACCELERATED
LUMEN
THERE'S TWO OPTIONS, SOFTWARE, HARDWARE. READ THE FUCKING UNREAL 5 DOCS
Hardware Ray Tracing
Hardware Ray Tracing supports a larger range of geometry types than Software Ray Tracing, in particular it supports tracing against skinned meshes. Hardware Ray Tracing also scales up better to higher qualities — it intersects against the actual triangles and has the option to evaluate lighting at the ray hit instead of the lower quality Surface Cache.
You're here since Feb 2023 in the new wave? Fuck off.
Hey man, we're not all this fucking dumb lolYou're here since Feb 2023 in the new wave? Fuck off.
Maybe his monitor is filtering out the word "Hardware" for him, maybe thats the reason he can't read it.
it seems you dont understand how computers work having dedicated rt hardware doesnt make raytracing cheaper, lumen was designed for software because it was much faster that way you can make it more accurate with hardware but that just makes it more expensive.And thats why Nvidia is better because they have dedicated hardware for RT. But funny enough you are hating them which is ironic.
Sorry its not my problem if you can't read. Everybody in this thread understands what it is except you.
and you are not everybody so speak for yourself and stop trying to find some mob to go along with uAnd thats why Nvidia is better because they have dedicated hardware for RT. But funny enough you are hating them which is ironic.
Sorry its not my problem if you can't read. Everybody in this thread understands what it is except you.
It's been more than 3 years but people here still believe that it eventually will change everything.
exactly and hardware accelerated lumen is more expensive its why they use software lumen on console and not hardware even though consoles are capable of hardware rtHoly fuck you're one dense motherfucker.
IT'S
HARDWARE
ACCELERATED
LUMEN
THERE'S TWO OPTIONS, SOFTWARE, HARDWARE. READ THE FUCKING UNREAL 5 DOCS
Hardware Ray Tracing
Hardware Ray Tracing supports a larger range of geometry types than Software Ray Tracing, in particular it supports tracing against skinned meshes. Hardware Ray Tracing also scales up better to higher qualities — it intersects against the actual triangles and has the option to evaluate lighting at the ray hit instead of the lower quality Surface Cache.
You're here since Feb 2023 in the new wave? Fuck off.
Consoles will always be cheap midrange PCs.We just need new consoles. The PS5 and XSX are very underpowered already.
Of course, Nanite is backed up by Lumen, Unreal Engine 5's exceptional real-time global illumination system, but The Matrix Awakens sees Lumen taken to the next level, with extra performance and fidelity in indirect and diffuse lighting delivered by the hardware-accelerated ray tracing hardware in the new consoles, which can also offer up ray-traced reflections and area light shadows. These systems are exceptionally heavy on performance, meaning that Epic leans in heavily on its TSR
Thats not clear enoughGo watch the time stamped digital foundry video for the matrix demo I included earlier.
You clearly don’t watch the information we include
Here, again
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Please leave this thread after. Huge derailment from you.
Is Blackwell the 5000 series? I heard rumors the 5000 series will be a MASSIVE leap.RT is still super taxing even on the best and top of the line GPU's.
I feel we're a gen away from having proper hardware equipped to handle RT for high res and HFR. Blackwell from Nvidia, specifically will be a giant leap in that area.
raytraced reflections are done by hardware but the gi is still software also why the matrix demo is 30fpsGo watch the time stamped digital foundry video for the matrix demo I included earlier.
You clearly don’t watch the information we include
Here, again
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Please leave this thread after. Huge derailment from you.
the reflections are handled by hardware, the lumen gi is still run on softwareThats not clear enough
delivered by the hardware-accelerated ray tracing hardware in the new consoles
delivered by the hardware-accelerated ray tracing hardware in the new consoles
delivered by the hardware-accelerated ray tracing hardware in the new consoles
delivered by the hardware-accelerated ray tracing hardware in the new consoles
exactly using half the gpu resources to raytrace puddles is the worst decision you could ever do, those resources are better spent on physics, ai or game design elements that enhance the gameplay and balance the look of the game.. its always about what the artist intends to make and how believable it is... raytracing on its current stage is what nvidia physx or normal maps where during the ps3 360 days.. almost half of pc games had a nvidia physx fancy check box and consoles had over used normal maps or bump maps for no context at all as it was the greatest thing in realtime graphics at the time, Graphics are about how u use them... not just put there for the sake of itWhile I agree that a lot of the modern RT implementations are trash, I dont think we should use these examples to write them off. Especially From's fucking output. From is known for their awful graphical mastery or lack thereof.
I think the two sides in this thread need to meet in the middle. RT is very expensive and if standard rasterization lighting and reflection techniques can do the trick for half the performance, great. If not then sure use RT.
Secondly, for open world games where devs cant place handcrafted reflections everywhere, yes, Im ok with RT.
And lastly, Software GI or Dynamic GI was something UE4 supported before last gen started. Hell, Fable devs even had some demos on xbox one before they were shutdown. That doesnt need RT. Call it software ray tracing or whatever the hell you want, but in the Matrix, its like 40% less GPU intensive and the results are very close to hardware Lumens. Lets use dynamic GI for now and maybe next gen, we can switch to hardware acceleration.
Here are some screenshots I took that show drastic differences, not so drastic difference, and games where you can get great looking reflections without RT. It's a balancing act. I dont want 50% of the GPU going into lighting the scene when we can have devs use it on character models, destruction, fluid simulations etc.
The dilemma with RT is that it makes stuff looks natural, thus some ignoramuses think it must suck because they "can't see it".
RT is the only way forward, there is no alternative. We'll have an adjustment period to make hardware and software catch up, but then it's gonna be all RT after that.
We just need new consoles. The PS5 and XSX are very underpowered already.
Midrange pc now would be a 3080 / 6800xt.Consoles will always be cheap midrange PCs.
I guess you said the same about 3D graphics in the past…Ok So Elden ring RT update is out and you know what RT may be good but it is simply not meaningful in any game and I mean anygame including control. In a DF direct all the DF members themselves played the game on PS5 without raytracing accept Alex Battaglia. And you know what I just realized that if not for Dumb Demands of raytracing, the developers could have focused on optimizing video games for the three platforms, and we won't get this many broken game on every platform.
Major issues of All Platforms:
PS5: Weakest of three in IQ but you get the best performant version in terms of relative power and hardware but still gets the framedrops.
Xbox X: Nearly always looks better than PS5 output but always missing one or two critical things that just makes the release dead. RE4 -controller sucks, Callisto Protocol: Some fucking effect missing, Hogwarts Legacy - Framefacing issues clearly shows dev used most of their time optimization for their biggest player base
PC: Absolutely demolishes consoles in Image Quality and Performance but suffers severly from fucking stutters, and then you add the dumb RT and nearly every game stutters with RT on regardless of hardware. It's there in 4090 too, so fuck that.
And seriously so many fucking dumb modes on Consoles too.
Just make one 60 fps mode for console with FSR2 4K60 drs like look at RE4 it's just Mode Dumbness Galore on consoles and the 30 fps cinematic crowd can't even argue on that title, like it is 60 all time but never fucking hits it at two modes so it's all just big Dumbo dumba dumdum.
And then we fucking add RT mode and guess what all we needed was a bit better reflection and improved AO because as close to real light simulation RT produces the results matter nada when you are playing the game and are immersed in it. It does improve on things, things definitely look better, more realistic one would say but it only feels like slightly altered art direction.
DLSS2, FSR2 are the real deal and we need that incorporated in one mode that locks to 60 on all three fucking platforms and thats it. Ray tracing sucks and the addition and demand for it is hurting the game performance on launch on all platforms.
This take is ridiculous. RT is the future period…Just because a person doesn’t care for it doesn’t mean it isn’t the future of graphics…I think even cgi movies aren't fully raytraced, so that's wishful thinking. I get Op's point, ever since I got a high refresh HDR monitor I've turning RT off and don't miss it a bit. Everybody on consoles prefer performance modes, so it's a matter of time for devs to stop wasting time injecting stuff that no one uses and continue the evolution of graphics on the raster path. Because graphics evolution is just like natural evolution, having higher precision doesn't make you the fittest nor the selected one automatically, if one of the console manufacturers sacrifices raster for RT for next generation, it's gonna get trumped by the other one, mark my words.
Really? This is inaccurate…the thing is it didnt start recently raytracing techniques have existed for a long time, ps4 games like dreams and the tomorrow children use raytracing.. the issue is nvidia's propaganda pr campaign have pushed it to the naive pc masterace camp in order to push gpu sales.. and clueless people just jumped in and bought the gpu's only to play games with raytraced puddle reflections and tree trunk shadows!... in reality hybrid raytracing is just a gimmick and fully realtime raytracing is years away to be convincingly different from traditional raster.. you need a gpu far more powerful than a 4090 and alot of memory otherwise theres nothing new.
There isn’t too much of a performance hit. Just play performance RT…As it is now, it's not worth the performance hit, maybe in 10-20 years we are gonna have the hardware to run rtx that we can actually run without killing the performances.
I have a pc with a 4080 and it is still not worth the perf cost for me, i prefer to play re4 at 4k120 with maxed textures over some more detailed reflections that i'm barely gonna notice.There isn’t too much of a performance hit. Just play performance RT…
Yeah its Nvidia's next GPU architecture. Ada Lovelace (4000 series) is fairly similar to Ampere (3000) but on a significantly better node and a lot of cache.Is Blackwell the 5000 series? I heard rumors the 5000 series will be a MASSIVE leap.
RT isn’t just “reflections”, it’s things like RTAO too which makes a big difference. Casuals believe RT is just “reflections”. Its the way light properly bounces on PBR materials and how shadows properly work, giving games a more grounded and CGI or film like look…I have a pc with a 4080 and it is still not worth the perf cost for me, i prefer to play re4 at 4k120 with maxed textures over some more detailed reflections that i'm barely gonna notice.
I'm always glad to trade rtx for better res, details and framerate.
Ray tracing has been around before the 90's and before 3d gfx cards.Imagine if that was the attitude taken by developers in the 90s when they moved to 3d. It looked colossally shit but we've persevered and things look great now.
It's not a new phenomenon.