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[loaf of bread]

We've been devouring red meat for thousands of years. Doesn't stop people from living to 90.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Luckily Taco Bell meat isn't real meat.

or real meat

 

[Haly]

Statements like this always make me chuckle. As if you can't enjoy life without doing something like eating read meat.

By the same logic, you can cut a lot of things out of your life and still be happy. Hell, you can lead a fulfilling life of asceticism if you have the personality for it.

Me? I want a life where I can cook and eat lamb.

 

[Khalifa Jayy]

/shrugs.

Everything gives you cancer nowadays.

Exactly.

 

[ahoyhoy]

Dying fast doesn't sound too bad. If I loved bungee jumping and my cord snapped I wouldn't mind being killed instantly.

Cancer means dying slow, though. That's what scares me more than anything.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

oh wow

Luckily I'm vegetarian.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

If you are going to eat red meat just do things to fight inflammation in the body.

Eat less sugar, take a daily aspirin, season shit with turmeric, eat more fish (salmon is great) and get plenty of sleep.

Exactly. Simply triggering inflammation is not going to give you cancer. Otherwise everyone who eats starchy carbohydrates or sugar is fucked, which is pretty much the majority of the planet.

 

[Dr. Zoidberg]

I've always been a chicken and fish man, myself. I don't even like steak but I've been known to enjoy a good hamburger or honey baked ham on occasion.

 

[jond76]

/shrugs.

Everything gives you cancer nowadays.

That's my feeling on it.

 

[Wellscha]

There has to be an evolutionary reason why "bad stuff" taste good.

 

[Timedog]

Create some sort of "lactaid" for red meat. I'd buy that for a dollar.

 

[BlastProcessing]

Oh yeah okay scientists, we've only been eating red meat for fucking several millenniums.

Yes and eating meat has been amazingly helpful to us as a species. But evolution doesn't really care if we die of cancer when we are over 50. As long as we produce a fuck ton of offspring it's all good at a species level. This is about improving our quality of life as individuals. Totally different thing.

 

[Valhelm]

I wish they would have defined what "large" means.

I usually have red meat once or twice a week. Is that too much?

 

[A Fish Aficionado]

PNAS sounds like penis.

 

[Freeza Under The Shower]

it thought it was the coloring that specifically can be carcinogenic, not so much the meat by itself. It's not actually 'red' but brownish in it natural state.

at any rate: it's unclear from the abstract what 'long term exposure' would mean in human terms, or how long it would take to readjust the immune response, if at all possible.

looking at the related articles, it seems the antibody is expressed in any human, regardless of the actual consumption of red meat that has this Neu5Gc in it, which seems to be something our bodies kind of expect, from the looks of it. The accumulation of the same stuff in carcinoma's may be due to different reasons (lack of an intervening agent for instance), or an evolutionary wager between reproduction and time-to-live (meaning people aren't really 'supposed' to get very old). If it's the latter, than that's that and it's vegan from here on in.
On a sidenote: there is no compelling evidence that vegan makes anyone live any longer than others, aside from the relative genetic lottery we all 'just have to deal with'.

#Ishouldgetahobby


edit: like reading Bukowski. I've seen a movie based on his work, and that was excellent.

 

[Timedog]

or real meat

It also isn't real meat.

 

[zoukka]

The problem is people who eat nothing but red meat day after day after day. It's sick.

 

[Valnen]

The problem is people who eat nothing but red meat day after day after day. It's sick.

Man, that would get so expensive that I couldn't do it even if I wanted to.

 

[Interfectum]

Exactly. Simply triggering inflammation is not going to give you cancer. Otherwise everyone who eats starchy carbohydrates or sugar is fucked, which is pretty much the majority of the planet.

Exactly. Even vegetarians need to think about inflammation thanks to pesticides and soy products.

 

[speculawyer]

Let me tell you a little something I like to call oxygen...

It is not so bad as O2. But O3 can cause problems.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Exactly. Even vegetarians need to think about inflammation thanks to pesticides and soy.

Even if you go organic or eat something that had zero pesticides, you still have to deal with the natural toxins of plant food.

 

[speculawyer]

We've been devouring red meat for thousands of years. Doesn't stop people from living to 90.

The very same is true of smoking.


It is a probability and risk thing. It does stop many people from living to 90, but not all. It is not a random coincidence that the Japanese who have a seafood-heavy and not much beef diet live much longer than everyone else.

 

[GameGuru59]

Fuck. So where's the cure, guys? This is America, we don't cut-back or stop for shit. Let's block this immune response so I can continue to enjoy my pulled pork and ribs!

 

[Deleted member 17706]

The very same is true of smoking.


It is a probability and risk thing. It does stop many people from living to 90, but not all. It is not a random coincidence that the Japanese who have a seafood-heavy and not much beef diet live much longer than everyone else.

But then you have the Okinawans who eat a lot of pork (relatively) and sweet potatoes, while eating far less fish and rice than the mainland Japanese people.

I think it's hard to look at specific aspects of a population and try to extrapolate those things as a reason for their long lifespan (or lack thereof).

I imagine there's a pretty large genetic component to all of this, too.

 

[Abounder]

Farewell beef jerky. I hope your turkey substitute can be at least as half as good.

 

[The Lamp]

We've been devouring red meat for thousands of years. Doesn't stop people from living to 90.

That's a pointless conclusion to make from this information.

 

[Courage]

lmfao yes

 

[PsychoSoldier]

The Japanese could also simply be a case of them being very well-adapted to their environment due to the likely relative lack of migration due to their isolated nature.

 

[K.Jack]

Just sell me supplements for these magical sugars.

 

[Foffy]

oh wow

Luckily I'm vegetarian.

Not lucky enough to live forever, though! You're caught in the trap, too.

 

[Business]

Don't worry, next year red meat will be found to cure many diseases.

Came to post this.

 

[Sub_Level]

This is really specific and fitting.

 

[Manu]

Perfect response.

 

[zoukka]

We've been devouring red meat for thousands of years. Doesn't stop people from living to 90.

Yep, the eastern people who eat mostly seafood live that long. We don't.

 

[Wafflecakes]

Oh well.

 

[exmachina64]

We've been devouring red meat for thousands of years. Doesn't stop people from living to 90.

Keep your low standards, I want to be immortal. Time to become a vegan.

 

[CharlieDigital]

Pork is considered red meat?

Is dark meat on chicken considered red meat?

 

[Wellscha]

Yep, the eastern people who eat mostly seafood live that long. We don't.

Soaked in MSG.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

Don't worry, next year red meat will be found to cure many diseases.

LOL

 

[Schadenfreude]

To scientists:

 

[Trago]

Welcome to the chicken master race everyone!

 

[Plywood]

Humanity screwed humanity.

 

[UberTag]

I guess at least they isolated the cause.

Now they just need to find a way to extract Neu5Gc out of the red meat we process before we eat it.
And then sell this Neu5Gc-free food to us at a 300% markup.

"Want to eat a hamburger and not kill yourself? Here, pay this exorbitant amount of money!"

 

[Omega]

welp I'm fucked

 

[CharlieDigital]

Soaked in MSG.

Mono-sodium glutamate has gotten a bad rap but research in the last few years have debunked the mythology around it.

Some good reading:

http://www.wired.com/2013/09/msg/
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/11/17/245728214/msg-seasoned-for-a-comeback

 

[IceCold]

Pork is considered red meat?

Is dark meat on chicken considered red meat?

red meat = mammal meat.

The sugar they are talking about is not just in red meat, but mammal derived products such as butter,milk, etc.

 

[Wreav]

/RetiredGIF

 

[Ultratech]

Let's see....

I don't eat much pork or beef (pretty rarely).
I don't eat lamb. (No reason really.)

Guess I'm ok, though what doesn't cause cancer at this point?

 

[Azih]

Chicken tastes better.

 

[Jackben]

Oh, it's the Telegraph