radioheadrule83
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Reggie on Revolution, and the demand for "community"
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posted by gcncouncil at IGN Boards Gamecube General...
SolidSnakex
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Odysseus said:
What he's saying is that they'll be going online with the Revolution, but they won't call it "online" so they can make it look innovative.
radioheadrule83
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My reading of this is the same as SolidSnakeX's.
If the focus of Revolution is on community I'd prefer Reggie to stay shtum til may. I personally like the secrets approach...
If the focus of Revolution is on community I'd prefer Reggie to stay shtum til may. I personally like the secrets approach...
It's not that it's a fad, it's just not the best experience you could have. Playing a game with someone physically there is much better than playing someone online.
Online offers a practical solution, right? It gives you access to gamers of your calibur. Unfortunately, at this point in time, that's all it does. If Nintendo goes "online", it will be with the aim of recreating the experience of someone being next to you. Until that's possible, I don't seeing them doing anything of the "online" nature.
Their belief is you're losing so much of the experience -- and I agree with them here. I think most people do. But most people are practical and say "give it to me anyways."
Nintendo is taking an idealogical stance in a practically-dominated market. Not a smart business decision necessarily, but I certainly respect them for it.
He's referring to revolution not using the current online business model. Not the current online tech model. He didn't say the actual technology of the execution is flawed. He's saying the same thing nintendo has always said: they don't want to make people buy a game, buy more hardware to go online, then play monthly to go online with that game.
I'm thinking some sort of free service? I dunno how thet would absorb the cost... either just eat it, or somehow make it up in ads? *shrug*
I'm thinking some sort of free service? I dunno how thet would absorb the cost... either just eat it, or somehow make it up in ads? *shrug*
Mermandala
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pretty sure he is talking about Animal Crossing-themed trailer parks.
Dynamite Shikoku
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Online hologram gaming!!!
radioheadrule83
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Deg said:
DS was supposed to provide a hint IIRC...
From coast-to-coast? I really don't think so. If everyone had something like that, the amount of interference would be terrible, especially for fast data transmission.Deg said:
I guess they could setup and operate towers, but that goes right back to the problem they started with using online: cost of operation.
radioheadrule83
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They should open wifi coffee shops 
BILL CLINTON
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fugimax said:
uhh, not really.. i'd prefer to play online for FPS and many sports games than with someone next to me... football with the person next to you in a chore having to hide your plays, and split screen FPS is nowhere near as nice as full screen.
Alcibiades
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I think it starts with the DS and picto chat...
someone I know just pre-ordered the thing (paid $150 + tax), and I know its going to be fun to carry those around campus (and the student center) and see if anybody else is around to exchange senseless messages with...
The DS is that start of that I think, I don't know about Revolution and right now Nintendo's not making much sense because they haven't really been forthcoming, but it's better to hold you cards to your sleeve than show them off right now...
someone I know just pre-ordered the thing (paid $150 + tax), and I know its going to be fun to carry those around campus (and the student center) and see if anybody else is around to exchange senseless messages with...
The DS is that start of that I think, I don't know about Revolution and right now Nintendo's not making much sense because they haven't really been forthcoming, but it's better to hold you cards to your sleeve than show them off right now...
radioheadrule83
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Yeah but actually talking to the person you're playing with in person, perhaps calling them an asshole every now and then, and later bitching about how crap they played in front of people they actually know is good sometimes. And games like Donkey Konga wouldn't be the same if you couldn't see someones facial expressions as they strain to *pan pan* their way to glory, only to find misery for one, hilarity for all.
Dynamite Shikoku
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/me wants online smash bros!
Kinda off-topic here, but what I don't get is this about Nintendo's stance on online gaming:
Why the hell won't Nintendo go online on GameCube, they say one of their reasons is that not nearly enough people have broadband connections, but they will, according to recent reports, go online with DS sooner or later which uses WiFi... So to play DS online at home, I don't just need a broadband connection, but I also need a wireless access point...
Also: what is so flawed about the online approach of the big amount of PC / PS2 developers who just want to please the buyers of their games with an extra free online gameplay mode? Most online games are still free today and I don't have any problem with the fact that there isn't a real central server for all of those games.
Why the hell won't Nintendo go online on GameCube, they say one of their reasons is that not nearly enough people have broadband connections, but they will, according to recent reports, go online with DS sooner or later which uses WiFi... So to play DS online at home, I don't just need a broadband connection, but I also need a wireless access point...
Also: what is so flawed about the online approach of the big amount of PC / PS2 developers who just want to please the buyers of their games with an extra free online gameplay mode? Most online games are still free today and I don't have any problem with the fact that there isn't a real central server for all of those games.
Alcibiades
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I'm not so sure they expect DS games to be going online in large numbers...Lionheart said:
the primary wireless they are pushing is playing against others around you...
Plus, isn't there easier access to wireless spots at establishments, unlike places that offer internet connections, you can't bring you XBox and LIVE and hook it up at some library or cafe, while I'm guessin with the wireless spots you could do that with DS...
you're comparing apples and oranges, because "going online" is a simplified way of saying, "why doesn't Nintendo buy servers, maintain them, would they charge a fee, would games have lag, would their games have modem/broadband support, or just broadband, would some have broadband cause they are faster games, alienating families that have phoneline access, would families even care, so they'll just do broadband, what sorts of features would they have, would they maintain servers for 3rd parties, or just their games, how long would the servers be active, would it be free, etc..."
"going online" is more complicated than most people put it...
Microsoft and Sony have had limited success so far in spite of fantastic games like Pandora Tomorrow because the issue is really more complicated than simply "switching from cartridges to CD's" or "adding rumble features". Online gameplay is a whole other level, Nintendo probably wants to plan out their entry carefullly and years in advance to prevent too many upfront losses....
ManaByte
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fugimax said:
Look, no offense, but you really have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to the current state of online console gaming.
I have good friends who live 600 miles away. Now I can't pack up my console and drive to them whenever I want to play a multiplayer game since it's a eight hour drive. But, with Xbox Live or PS2 Online games that support the headset, I can turn on my console and talk with them in real time as if they are sitting right there. Real-time voice chat in online console gaming is the best thing to happen to multiplayer games in a long, long time.
If Nintendo doesn't grow a fucking brain and look at what Sony and Microsoft is doing with online, they will be forever cursed to a niche market.
Uh..ok.
Re-read my post. I never said online game was a *bad* thing. In fact, I said it was quite practical.
And you've proven my point by what you said above. Online gaming is a substitute for what you'd rather be doing (having your friend come over). But like you said, this isn't possible.
The point I was making above was that online gaming is a practical solution that has problems of its own -- just like "in-person" gaming has it's problems (aka, your friend being 8 hours away). Further, I was saying that Nintendo's stance on all of this is that until they can provide people with an experience on-par with that of a friend coming over to play games, they won't be doing it.
Funny...last I checked, a shitload of people owned PS2's....and it's certainly *not* for online gaming. Secondly, there's nothing wrong with a niche market as long as you can be profitable in it -- and Nintendo is exactly that.
Sounds like gimmicky crap along the lines of "connectivity." Nintendo needs to shore up their eroding fanbase before they look towards introducing yet another dismissable ploy to appear different. It won't be much of a revolution if everyone's jumped ship to its more attractive competitors.
So let me get this straight..
Suppose I have a LAN party with 50 people coming...PCs provided. You'd rather play at an isolated PC with people online versus a room of 50 people all playing together?
Now, I'm not saying this is practical, but it certainly isn't out of the question. I used to have 2-3 person "lan parties" where we'd join the same team and play online against others...way more fun than using Roger Wilco or some other VoIP shit.
Second, your football example is kind of moot if developers would use what's given to them. Dreamcast had the VMU..you could easily select plays using that LCD screen. And gamecube has GBA...which would work perfect for this exact thing.
Nintendo is stressing gaming in-person. It's just plain more fun. Ya, it might be a hassle to get together sometimes, but when you do, there is no question that it's more fun than online gaming.
Now, Nintendo's point is this...let's make "online gaming" like in-person gaming. Currently, that just hasn't happened. Once it does, I think Nintendo will be all over it.
the year 20XX
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The Wavebird allows you to play across long distances. You know, like 50 feet.
Alcibiades
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no offense, but most for most people broadband + set up + price is just way too much...ManaByte said:
Nintendo does have a brain, and when they see billions of dollars in losses, their profitable niche market just sounds much better so they can continue to create their games...
radioheadrule83
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the year 20XX said:
and we refer to 50 feet phone calls as "long distance" too...
Spazbiohaz
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With Nintendo's Wireless protocols at a home station. This Revolution, could be just that. With the DS Wireless connections you can link up to 30 meters away indoors. Now the DS is very small and depends on a battery; the revolution is connected to a power outlet. There is also talk of a piggyback system with the DS, that means as long as there is a DS near by it can continue the chain across large distances. Nintendos motto is We do things the Nintendo way The technology is there, you may not be able to play people across the world but, playing everyone in your city is very possible. With the way Reggie-lution chose his words this seems feasible. Also with the amount of research in Connectivity that Nintendo has spent and there clams between the DS and the Revolution. I feel they will be very similar.
seismologist
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I wil never pay money for online gaming. Nintendo "Live" isn't the answer.
In fact I dont even care about Nintendo going online. I just want more in depth single player adventure games from them.
In fact I dont even care about Nintendo going online. I just want more in depth single player adventure games from them.