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Report: Microsoft has laid off their DEI team, shutting down diversity division
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Rudius
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From resetera:
"So I work in DEI we are having to avoid certain terms now. Like we're having to avoid words like diversity and be a bit more tactical with the terms we use. Same with projects we use terms more like to expand our potential work force rather than minorities or underrepresented groups. Job titles are changing but we're still doing the same jobs we just can't be that overt."
MarkMe2525
Gold Member
Are you going to travel to Redmond?
Shake Your Rump
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If this is true, does it imply that forced diversity is only due to government funding rather than a genuine interest?
chromhound
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Caffeine
Member
Yes and the second the funding stops and it starts to cost company money it's no longer critical component of company growth.
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
Nah. Fuck their jobs. Actively dividing and token hire work should be abolished.
End of.
Angry_Megalodon
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Do you realize that DEI is the official name of this crap? which other word are we supposed to use?
Yes, I will identify myself as a native indian and reclaim the land.
Sentenza
Gold Member
Nah. Some always were. No one is "becoming" anything.
But that aside, fuck this noise anyway and fuck these wishy washy attempts to defend the bullshit.
Someday maybe even the lunatics at resetera will realize the reason behind this mystery of " every moderate suddenly becoming a fascist".
It's not about hating diversity, women or being racist. It's that people can tolerate only so much of being constantly guilt-tripped and preached on.
No one wants to spend every fucking moment of his waking hours on the receiving end of some sort of sermon. Even less when enjoying the entertainment that is supposed to be their way to cool off.
Moriarty1889
Member
That’s the best decision MS has made in a long time. Enough with the whole DEI propaganda and get back to running a business normally. I’m actually surprised they did this but it is a very good decision.
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
That ain’t gonna happen. Insomniac doesn’t outsource for this kind of shit or shoe horn it in. This is 100% the culture they want at their studio.
Wolverine will be a mess. Teen rated no blood no dismember shit, ugly ass Jean, and don’t be surprised if she makes Logan feel like a racist ass pussy bitch who wants to gobble gobble gawk gawk. Also isn’t Jean confirmed to be Mexican or Puerto rican in that game?
Syphon Filter
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you're woke.
Hopefully this will happen across the board in all business sectors. And nothing of value would be lost. At least now these people can do something productive - like flipping burgers or working at supermarkets or gas stations, you know - like honest work. No more using racism to make a living.
The Mad Draklor
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They weren't real jobs anyways, so did they ever lost jobs to begin with?
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
Collecting paychecks is the dream gig.They weren't real jobs anyways, so did they ever lost jobs to begin with?
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I dont see how DEI has ever had a chance of being a big profit booster UNLESS the PR image trying for brownie pts (ie. companies changing the logo pride colours for July while not giving a shit about anything about the actual cause or parade) is so successful it outweighs any negative parts.
So whichever HR or marketing people jumping on the DEI train (there's no way this kind of stuff would originate from sales, finance, supply chain or any crew in the warehouse) somehow convinced execs if they gun for this virtue signaling, it'll boost financial projections with a big upward arrow on a chart. Or heck, maybe some of this comes from execs???? Hard to believe.
Sounds crazy. If anyone pushed hard for this stuff at my company, everyone from the junior analyst to Marketing VP would laugh and tell that person stick to core business strategies and hire good people over a check box.
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EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
lol, I mean the people who use the term to argue about anything.......
Lolz, yet many on here spend endless hours talking about "woke" or "DEI"
I'm not defending anything, both sides are annoying as fuck and don't even get they share the same ignorance.....
1 side needs to show the work is not um "DEI"
1 side needs to show the work is properly representing diversity
...ya'll both annoying AF lol
M Moriarty1889 The deepest of lolz, sir, you don't even know if MS really stopped doing anything, if folks are worried about this whole "DEI" thing and the goal was to subliminally place it in work, it would make sense to PUBLICALLY "shut down" said team while literally continuing that work.
If anyone ask if something is DEI at MS, we can just say " no bro, they shut down the team, thus no one can ever do that at MS for life as its now illegal and they have the mind control to MAKE SURE its not happening...."
This is as pointless as the pet rock tbh
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ByWatterson
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It's almost like the PR benefits of this are now completely gone and there never was any profit incentive sooooo
The Mad Draklor
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Because it breeds incompetence. That's why.
Ah, the "both sides" fallacy to appear objective while you espouse said ignorance...
Moriarty1889
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how’s your pet rock btw?
Moriarty1889
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There is a thread about this on Resetera and the meltdowns are hilarious….what a bunch of clowns.
ChorizoPicozo
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it seems like the financial report is going to be juicy. YoY
The Mad Draklor
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Doesn't that site still has a lot of Xbox fans? You would think they'd be happy Microsoft has finally taken the first steps to achieve passable competence.
Crayon
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BlackTron
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There may be a third pillar of ignorance you haven't thought of yet.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
I can't stop laughing
Look man, the way I see it, if you really believe MS is doing this for some reason, its hard to then think them publicly telling you they are stopping is REALLY them stopping, for all you know they are doing this to pretend they are done with it and just continue that same work secretly, as lots of propaganda is subliminal anyway.
So...what would even be the "best news"? The appearance that they stopped?
So...I don't care much about any of the whole "woke" or "DEI" or this one has an "agenda" about this that or the third, but as a lover of conspiracies, I rarely believe the subject that is saying they are closing, shutting down, stopping the "thing" as ever really doing it, they are saying that FOR YOU to see and believe. If you believed they would do this to harm, you should then doubt their public statements about stopping it in the first place.
Look at it logically, how many "evil" companies do you know that really tell you they stopped doing the bad thing, really actually stop? You sure the company that would do this, would also tell you the truth bud?
So someone can see this as some idea that they won something, if you really believe MS would do this to be evil, you should maybe not believe they'd really shut down this team.
lol you the real one for checking in!
smh, I said "many" i never said you and I find it odd you'd think the post was directed at you.EDMIX let's make a bet. Either you'll find a single one of my posts where you can prove I've spent ANY amount of time (let alone all my time) crying about "woke" and "DEI" or you'll admit you were beating a strawman and talking out of your ass.
Read carefully and relax man lol None of that is some claim against you or about you etc.
The Mad Draklor
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*Proceeds to make a word salad of nonsense.
REDRZA MWS
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Hire the best qualified people, period. As every single business should.
Moriarty1889
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You would think but they must keep in good standing with the purple haired lunatics who run that cesspool.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Most of my career.
Moriarty1889
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Yes but that would make to much sense.
REDRZA MWS
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That’s because it doesn’t happen. When you employ people solely based on race/gender and whatever the long list of DEI “identity” bs or whatever the fuck they push down humanities throats, and not simply who is the most qualified for ANY job or career, the overall standards are lower so goes production, so no, if you hire less qualified people simply based on some DEI metric, you will not get the best out of your company production wise or profit wise.
iHaunter
Member
By this logic though, 343 should be shut down too. They hired unqualified people just because they were women. Instead of who's best for the job regardless of gender.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Ok, but who is doing that? Like, have we ever even seen a company flat out say they will ONLY hire based on that and ignore all other skills or something?
I've heard many on here say this more then actually prove this btw
Like who is hiring someone based on that to lets say direct a game but their last job was a line cook at Burger King? lol
"He can make dem impossible whoopers, he can code and direct Saints Row Reboot"
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EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Like who? Do you have any proof or? Like what exact person was hired that didn't qualify based on the resume for the job?
bitbydeath
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There’s a line that shouldn’t be crossed.
The way I’ve had it explained to me is that it’s not so much diverse aren’t afforded opportunities but rather they don’t take them as they have a negative mindset from the outset that they don’t belong and won’t try.
I’m 100% onboard with improving that, we should be giving them more opportunities and showing them they can get those jobs.
The part where I disagree is where anyone should get a role over others who are qualified. But maybe those without the skills should start as interns, and that’s the way in, learn from the ground up.
StreetsofBeige
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Companies publicly state their goals sometimes. HP announced years ago blatant skewing to females and minorities to reach a number by 2030.
HP Targets Gender Parity in Leadership Roles by 2030 - ESG Today
Technology giant HP announced today a series of diversity and inclusion initiatives and goals, including a commitment to reach gender parity in its leadership ranks by 2030. According to the company, the new goals aim to help improve diversity, equality and inclusiveness in the technology...
www.esgtoday.com
In addition to becoming the first Fortune 100 tech company to commit to gender parity in leadership, HP announced several other 2030 targets, including reaching greater than 30% technical women and women in engineering roles, meeting or exceeding labor market representation for racial/ethnic minorities in the U.S., maintaining higher than 90 percent rating on its internal inclusion index for all employee demographics annually, and reaching one million workers through worker empowerment programs.
REDRZA MWS
Member
Bro you are barking up the wrong tree I PROKISE you. I am a retired FDNY Firefighter. I was a first responder at 9/11 and worked down there for 7 months.
Shortly after the liberal fucking DEI total fucking mess that is NYC (where I was born, raised, worked and put my life on the line every single day for) started slowly creeping in and 3 times a year they would close our firehouse down (and every firehouse in the city of NY had to do this), to drill DEI bullshit into is. First issue is they close a firehouse for that nonsense exposing the civilians we were first due too for a fire medical emergency or whatever.
Then came the “hiring freeze” because the city was sued by groups because they determined it wasn’t “inclusive”. End result, we had an 80 lb woman assigned to our firehouse who was totally fucking useless. She literally almost got all the rest of us killed at a bad fire.
Point is this isn’t about “equality and inclusion”, every single profession or career has a certain standard, criteria, requirements whatever, and when you have to lower them just to get your workforce to where your DEI stats are where you think needs to be to satisfy some radical left bullshit agenda.
Marinate on that. This isn’t just about game development companies or publishers, or corporate. It’s everything. Lower standards for military, police officers, and on and on.
Then wonder why things are fucked up all around. Look in the mirror about your fucking policies and the results they produce.
The Mad Draklor
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You could've just cited Oceangate as an example and left it there.Companies publicly state their goals sometimes. HP announced years ago blatant skewing to females and minorities to reach a number by 2030.
HP Targets Gender Parity in Leadership Roles by 2030 - ESG Today
Technology giant HP announced today a series of diversity and inclusion initiatives and goals, including a commitment to reach gender parity in its leadership ranks by 2030. According to the company, the new goals aim to help improve diversity, equality and inclusiveness in the technology...
In addition to becoming the first Fortune 100 tech company to commit to gender parity in leadership, HP announced several other 2030 targets, including reaching greater than 30% technical women and women in engineering roles, meeting or exceeding labor market representation for racial/ethnic minorities in the U.S., maintaining higher than 90 percent rating on its internal inclusion index for all employee demographics annually, and reaching one million workers through worker empowerment programs.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Edmix: This too.
www.forbes.com
Seeking Women: 70+ Companies That Have Set Gender Diversity Targets
These employers have committed to expanding the number of women within their ranks by measuring and reporting their diversity statistics.
www.forbes.com
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iHaunter
Member
There were some articles about it. Them also hiring people who hated Halo.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
I definitely agree but I feel we generally share the same sentiment regarding this topic.
I think the person that should get the job of course should be the one that is the best qualified, I personally believe any marginalized people or minorities that are looking to get inside of the game industry if they are fearful of any type of prejudice they should look to be independent because the reality is as an artist myself nothing is stopping someone from creating something for themselves.
They don't need to be part of some big publisher, So if they go in independently create a game nobody could ever argue that the we're only hired because they were this or that because technically they hired themselves lol
So I'm a firm believer in nobody could speak for us, but us.
So I look at both perspectives somebody could assume someone got a job simply because of their demographic and the person who got the job fairly might be fearful that they're not getting a promotion is based on a prejudice.
So take themselves out of the equation and go independent. Try out the free market and then when your successful let those publishers come to you....
Companies publicly state their goals sometimes. HP announced years ago blatant skewing to females and minorities to reach a number by 2030.
HP Targets Gender Parity in Leadership Roles by 2030 - ESG Today
Technology giant HP announced today a series of diversity and inclusion initiatives and goals, including a commitment to reach gender parity in its leadership ranks by 2030. According to the company, the new goals aim to help improve diversity, equality and inclusiveness in the technology...
In addition to becoming the first Fortune 100 tech company to commit to gender parity in leadership, HP announced several other 2030 targets, including reaching greater than 30% technical women and women in engineering roles, meeting or exceeding labor market representation for racial/ethnic minorities in the U.S., maintaining higher than 90 percent rating on its internal inclusion index for all employee demographics annually, and reaching one million workers through worker empowerment programs.
Solid read and solid points.
lol, not reading that, but ok =)
Negotiator
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So I guess if FED reinstates ZIRP in 2024-2025, ESG/DEI will make a comeback?
The Mad Draklor
Member
Hmm... I'm curious to know why you (and others) almost dying is funny to "Muh both sides" EDMIX
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