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Report: NX Handheld Dimensions, Layout Info, Lack of Region Lock

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Dystify

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Mpl90 said:
Dystify, I noticed your post lacks something that was briefly mentioned here, but I'll say it again.

http://forums.terraria.org/index.php?threads/wii-u-update-and-3ds-news.48755/

In this thread on the official Terraria forum, started by a representant of 505 Games, not only the final Wii U update and the upcoming one for 3DS were detailed, but there was an out-of-nowhere NX reference, especially considering the wording.



It's possible this is a subtle tease for Terraria on NX.
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Oh I saw that. I read it as if they're thinking about porting it to NX, but have not actually started development. To be honest, I would be surprised if Terraria will NOT come to NX.

Either way, I can add it to the list.
 
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Clessidor

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Honestly I wouldn't say that GAF expectations are too high. The majority seems to expect a device at least on the power level of the Wii U or something higher but not nearly close enough on PS4/Xbox One.
I really feel like we are moving on a healthy level of expectations on NX.

The only exception is when it come to the reveal. That is the only point were we are all crazy^^
 
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blu

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th3sicknness said:
I think we all need to take a step back and see what Nintendo has given us during all rumor phases... In almost 99% of what they have released we have been let down.. The specs and features are always a fraction of what is discussed.

Think of the things we are talking about.

Hybrid System 1 unit that serves as a Console / Portable
Unified Software (Console / Portable IP same system)
Tegra Code name Parker (Newest Nvidia Pascal Mobile chip)
720p On the go / 1080p when docked at home
Detachable Controllers
Region Free
Dock for charging and TV hookup seamless transition


Now lets bring it back to reality..

We are going to essentially get a Wii U tablet with the internals of the 3ds bumped up to be able to play Wii games at 720p and 3ds games at 540p. It will be region locked and will use the Tegra K1 chipset (what is currently in the older shield tablet).
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You make zero sense with this post.
 
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th3sicknness

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Rukumouru said:
You are seriously, dangerously underestimating the Tegra K1.
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Based on a less optimized experience with dolphin emulation in such games as Twilight Princess and Smash Bros I wasn't really impressed. Even running ports of games like Doom3 and Portal it didnt run them too well.

I know that devs at Nintendo are masters at optimizing games to run with less than optimal specs and that is the problem. Nintendo needs to realize there are other developers making games for their system. Nintendo may be able to optimize their games down to the last bit, but other developers dont want to do that. Graphics arent everything but there is a threshold for some on acceptable quality.

I love my Wii U and own a crap load of titles.. but the selection of titles outside the first party is very poor and the genre of what is offered is limited (Lots of platforming and indie)
 
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CrazyHorse

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For something that is so low powered and lacking in innovation, why do they need so much time? A tablet with attached controllers is not 10% as innovation as the Wii U pad. It boggles the mind.
 
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oti

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Clessidor said:
Honestly I wouldn't say that GAF expectations are too high. The majority seems to expect a device at least on the power level of the Wii U or something higher but not nearly close enough on PS4/Xbox One.
I really feel like we are moving on a healthy level of expectations on NX.

The only exception is when it come to the reveal. That is the only point were we are all crazy^^
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The biggest mistake I could see myself making after seeing all the cool mock-ups here is expecting a sleek piece of hardware... from Nintendo. The hardware itself I don't mind that much. Nintendo's games will look gorgeous on it, that's all I need.
 
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th3sicknness

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udivision said:
He's saying the actual NX isn't going to live up to the rumors.
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I agree with you... People dont want to hear reality sometimes..

Remember when the Wii U was going to be a variant of IBM'S Power 7 architecture?

"The Wii U CPU is made by IBM, based on its PowerPC CPU architecture, with all new instructions and features tailored for the Wii U system. The IBM Wii U CPU is made at 45nm and is based on the POWER7 architecture, which supports from 4 to 8 cores and 2-4 MB of L3 cache, although there are versions of the CPU with as much as 32 MB of cache. Nintendo has been rumored to use a scaled down CPU with just 3 cores @ 3 GHz, in order to keep power consumption low."

It was going to be substantially more powerful than the xbox 360 and PS3 like light years ahead... and in reality it was based on a customized version of the Wii processor (An upgraded Gamecube)?
 
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Roto Prime

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Clessidor said:
Honestly I wouldn't say that GAF expectations are too high. The majority seems to expect a device at least on the power level of the Wii U or something higher but not nearly close enough on PS4/Xbox One.
I really feel like we are moving on a healthy level of expectations on NX.

The only exception is when it come to the reveal. That is the only point were we are all crazy^^
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Everyone here knows NX is 4 Xbox scorpio duct-taped together....
 
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BDGAME

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NX_mockup.jpg
 
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Milly Osworth

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At this point they just need the perfect reveal, because Nintendo hardware is completely irrelevant now. WiiU can't get any more dead this holiday season anyway. What we heard so far NX doesn't sound different enough to create an own market like Wii though.
 
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Vena

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Some of these recent "let's talk reality" posts are going to make even Malo blush with embarrassment for how bullshit nonsensical they are.

th3sicknness said:
It was to going to be substantially more powerful than the xbox 360 and PS3 like light years ahead... and in reality it was based on a customized version of the Wii processor (An upgraded Gamecube)?
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... what?
 
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n0razi

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Rukumouru said:
You are seriously, dangerously underestimating the Tegra K1.
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Tegra's used in portables (Nexus, nVidia Shield) are usually underclocked due to battery life and thermals. They are only uncorked in the set top boxes like the Shield TV which have endless power and a larger heatsink. If Nintendo is intending for the NX to be portable, it will have to be underclocked or have some sort of dock switch which I imagine to add complexity to development.
 
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Hermii

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th3sicknness said:
I agree with you... People dont want to hear reality sometimes..

Remember when the Wii U was going to be a variant of IBM'S Power 7 architecture?

"The Wii U CPU is made by IBM, based on its PowerPC CPU architecture, with all new instructions and features tailored for the Wii U system. The IBM Wii U CPU is made at 45nm and is based on the POWER7 architecture, which supports from 4 to 8 cores and 2-4 MB of L3 cache, although there are versions of the CPU with as much as 32 MB of cache. Nintendo has been rumored to use a scaled down CPU with just 3 cores @ 3 GHz, in order to keep power consumption low."

It was to going to be substantially more powerful than the xbox 360 and PS3 like light years ahead... and in reality it was based on a customized version of the Wii processor (An upgraded Gamecube)?
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The difference this time is its confirmed (or at least heavily rumored) Nintendo will ditch bc in order to use more modern tech.
 
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jonno394

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Just seen the playstation meeting thread, and things are being heavily hinted/potentially leaked. It's all exciting and I'm looking forward to the show tomorrow night. ....Then I come back here and remember nothings happening and we don't even know when it will :(
 
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Mariolee

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Been out all day. Did ANYTHING come up of 10do's announcement today, and by ANYTHING I mean what did they say to save face?
 
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BDGAME

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Dystify said:
This link should work.
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Thanks. It's hard to find one place to host a image and share it here.

Talking about my mockup, I concentrate in the idea of that patent to change the button's position.

These "circle pads" will not be easy to remove and, that was, not easy to lost.
 
blu

blu

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udivision said:
He's saying the actual NX isn't going to live up to the rumors.
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The rumors that the devkits are TX1-based and the final product will be 14nm Pascal-based? Those rumors?
 
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evilromero

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Samemind said:
Well, you know, my entire purchase decision hinges on whether the device is region free so let's hope that much ends up true.
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Not commenting on the claim you're responding to, but I'm fairly certain Nintendo is not targeting customers that want a region-free device nor could they build a solid business on such a narrow group. If they're really targeting the mass market, I'm sure the idea of region-free was never once discussed unless it served a function outside of appeasing to the hardcore gamer demo.
 
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udivision

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Vena said:
Some of these recent "let's talk reality" posts are going to make even Malo blush with embarrassment for how bullshit nonsensical they are.



... what?
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I guess there should be a "This is what some Nintendo fans actually believed" caption...

I don't recall power specifics, but that was the general consensus for the Wii U Speculation Threads, at least for a time.
 
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Neoxon

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blu said:
The rumors that the devkits are TX1-based and the final product will be 14nm Pascal-based? Those rumors?
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He's under the belief that Nintendo's gonna significantly downgrade the NX by the time it actually comes out, which I doubt.
 
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TheCongressman1

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JonnyKong said:
Apologies if this has been posted already, but didn't one of you guys in this thread come up with this mock up?

http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a807064/the-nintendo-nx-has-to-look-better-than-this/
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article said:
There are, however, several problems with this design. Firstly, the central screen is too big to shrink between the pads on either side unless it's some kind of crazy bendable OLED magic, which we doubt.
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lol. I don't think they've heard the rumors.
 
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Samemind

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evilromero said:
Not commenting on the claim you're responding to, but I'm fairly certain Nintendo is not targeting customers that want a region-free device nor could they build a solid business on such a narrow group. If they're really targeting the mass market, I'm sure the idea of region-free was never once discussed unless it served a function outside of appeasing to the hardcore gamer demo.
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Well, if that's how they proceeded after making this statement, I'll be glad to wash my hands of them.
 
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ASIS

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Mithos

Mithos

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ASIS said:
.... what?
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That article, I mean... like... humm...

There are, however, several problems with this design. Firstly, the central screen is too big to shrink between the pads on either side unless it's some kind of crazy bendable OLED magic, which we doubt.

The design also conflicts with reports that the NX is a handheld with a 6.2" screen and space for cartridges. The above looks more like a controller than an actual console with working innards.
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21XX

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AquaWateria said:
More like GAF is always disappointed. These days its only about muh graphics power and extreme 4k fidelity. I mean when Breath of the Wild released its trailer for E3 people were basically bitching and saying it looks like a game from 2008. Honestly that Zelda thread was horrible, although it did get better as we got more gameplay. Seriously the days where gameplay matters most has been increasingly going down the drain and more about cinematic experiences. Yes this may not be true everywhere but to me it feels like it.

Is more power good? Yes I can't deny that but there's a point where power levels over how strong something is can get really annoying

Edit: Aside from my post we should always keep our expectations in check for every product. Hype is one dangerous thing.
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Oh please. There are tons and tons of games that aren't focused on cinematic experiences. That whole "no one cares about gameplay anymore!" narrative is so tired.

This also smacks of "gosh guys, be positive! so much negativity!" Well, BotW's graphics aren't that impressive. There's nothing there that is wowing. And that's not "horrible," that's just how it is. There is plenty to be excited about with that game and a lot of it has been fawned over in countless posts. Not gushing and glowing isn't extreme negativity.
 
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rockyt

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Now lets bring it back to reality.. We are going to essentially get a Wii U tablet with the internals of the 3ds bumped up to be able to play Wii games at 720p and 3ds games at 540p. It will be region locked and will use the Tegra K1 chipset (what is currently in the older shield tablet).[/QUOTE said:
Tegra K1 at its lowest speck can do much more than what is describe in that quote. Also from what I understand the current chip(s) is a placeholder and is seriously overclock to keep cool at the moment to try and match the theoretical performance of the newer chip(s). The chip(s) is just a place holder until the new chip(s) which were suppose to be place in August.
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OBias

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th3sicknness said:
I agree with you... People dont want to hear reality sometimes..

Remember when the Wii U was going to be a variant of IBM'S Power 7 architecture?

"The Wii U CPU is made by IBM, based on its PowerPC CPU architecture, with all new instructions and features tailored for the Wii U system. The IBM Wii U CPU is made at 45nm and is based on the POWER7 architecture, which supports from 4 to 8 cores and 2-4 MB of L3 cache, although there are versions of the CPU with as much as 32 MB of cache. Nintendo has been rumored to use a scaled down CPU with just 3 cores @ 3 GHz, in order to keep power consumption low."

It was going to be substantially more powerful than the xbox 360 and PS3 like light years ahead... and in reality it was based on a customized version of the Wii processor (An upgraded Gamecube)?
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PowerPC and POWER are different things, this was a self-contradicting rumor. The latter is never used in embedded systems, i.e. consoles.
 
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Skittzo0413

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rockyt said:
Tegra K1 at its lowest speck can do much more than what is describe in that quote. Also from what I understand the K1 is a placeholder and is seriously overclock and keep cool atm to try and match the theoretical performance of the newer chip. The K1 is just a place holder until the new chips which were suppose to be place in August.
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Actually the devkit is rumored to include the Tegra X1, which is newer and more efficient than the K1, and then we have rumors suggesting that TX1 is a placeholder for a new custom chip based on Parker, which is even more efficient and powerful.


The major differences between these rumors and those of the WUSTs was that those rumors were not nearly this specific, and that we're hearing about these devkit specs much closer to release. It's certainly fine to expect the worst so that you aren't let down, but it will very likely be a great deal more powerful than the poster you quoted is thinking. 2x Wii U at the very minimum is what we've heard, and that could end up being a conservative estimate.
 
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th3sicknness

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rockyt said:
Tegra K1 at its lowest speck can do much more than what is describe in that quote. Also from what I understand the current chip(s) is a placeholder and is seriously overclock and keep cool atm to try and match the theoretical performance of the newer chip. The chip(s) is just a place holder until the new chip(s) which were suppose to be place in August.
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IMO for the NX to be successful it at least needs to have the newest Tegra chip. The performance for the older one just isnt good enough to run anything modern well. Even in less optimized settings like dolphin it doesnt run older Wii / Gamecube games well.

Doom BFG Edition on Xbox 360 and PS3 runs at 720p60 with frame-rate drops. The same game running on the Shield Android TV micro-console, based on X1, hands in a near-flawless 1080p60 presentation. Trine 2 - another 720p30 game on Sony and Microsoft's last-gen consoles - operates at 1080p30 on Tegra X1. Typically speaking, OpenGL games port really well to Tegra X1, while DirectX ports, like Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance and the recently released Resident Evil 5, aren't so impressive.

Essentially anything more rigorous than an older game tends to not run as well on the older tegra format. Hopefully Nintendo can work their magic or at least find a way to stuff Parker in the NX on the cheap.
 
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rockyt

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Skittzo0413 said:
Actually the devkit is rumored to include the Tegra X1, which is newer and more efficient than the K1, and then we have rumors suggesting that TX1 is a placeholder for a new custom chip based on Parker, which is even more efficient and powerful.


The major differences between these rumors and those of the WUSTs was that those rumors were not nearly this specific, and that we're hearing about these devkit specs much closer to release. It's certainly fine to expect the worst so that you aren't let down, but it will very likely be a great deal more powerful than the poster you quoted is thinking. 2x Wii U at the very minimum is what we've heard, and that could end up being a conservative estimate.
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Yeah I re-edited my post for that. I just had the K1 on my mind when I replied to that.
 
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Retrobox

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Not said:
Nope. This is too cool for Nintendo to do. They like forcing experiences on you, not giving you options.
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That's why Smash for Wii U gives you 7 (seven) different controller options to choose from, right?

Btw, this is NOT what Nintendo needs at the reveal, even if they were to implement it. Getting way too complicated already.
 
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