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[NinjaCoachZ]

So nx wouldn't have vr.

I was expecting that. But with the motion detachable controllers it feels like a missed opportunity.

I'm sure VR will be revisited in the future. I get that now, there may be the concern of Nintendo going with a gimmick for the umpteenth console in a row, plus the field is so young and pretty niche ATM. There'll probably be a Nintendo VR machine once VR starts becoming more common (i.e. more mainstream-friendly, cheaper, etc.) in the next few years. The concept just gels with them too well for them to not consider it at any point ever.

 

[MuchoMalo]

So nx wouldn't have vr.

I was expecting that. But with the motion detachable controllers it feels like a missed opportunity.

With a mobile SoC and a 720p screen, both forms of VR were ruled out.

 

[KingBroly]

If all these rumors turn out to be false and we have been hyped beyond what we will get I think it will not fare well for Nintendo... that is why Nintendo needs to reveal this ASAP if we already have false expectations

Silly fool, what you don't realize is that if the rumors are wrong, and Nintendo reveals something completely different than we expect, there will be even MORE hype.

 

[Milly Osworth]

What if NX is 720p on the go, then 1080p on TV with checkerboard TM COPYRIGHT.

 

[ggx2ac]

What if NX is 720p on the go, then 1080p on TV with checkerboard TM COPYRIGHT.

Sure, it could always be upscaled if it can't render certain games in 1080p. It's just that it's rarely brought up because most people that want an HD console experience show disdain towards the idea.

 

[Zalman]

I really think they'll say something soon considering how much publicity Super Mario Run is getting. Not that that's a bad thing, but the reason why the NX was announced early to begin with was to show people that dedicated gaming hardware is still their primary business.

 

[Calm Mind]

Nintendo mobile games on Nintendo handhelds that already receive fully featured offerings makes no sense at all.

 

[Debirudog]

I'm gonna say it.

VR is not viable for Nintendo. The market just isn't there.

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

I'm gonna say it.

VR is not viable for Nintendo. The market just isn't there.

Nintendo : "We were burnt enough already by the red devil boy in the 90s,
However!
We will always consider the opportunity to observe others take on the technology and point out our fingers and say Ha Ha "

 

[Peterc]

I'm gonna say it.

VR is not viable for Nintendo. The market just isn't there.

True


About mario run

Nintendo hopes by bringing a small version of their games to smartphones. Thst the ones that becomes a gamer, rather would choose a Nintendo device than other devices. They don't care about the wii audience. They don't play games regularly and are satisfied with their smartphone games

 

[KingBroly]

I'm gonna say it.

VR is not viable for Nintendo. The market just isn't there.

I don't think VR is viable for anyone right now. It's too expensive at all levels to get into. By the time it's cheap enough for mass market appeal, something better will be coming along.

 

[Debirudog]

...Yet.

Like, honestly, the NX won't have VR because it makes sense not to have 'em at a market that isn't profitable at all. In the future, probably, but it would be dumb to invest in something that's proven to be incredibly expensive and with little profit earned.

 

[Debirudog]

I don't think VR is viable for anyone right now. It's too expensive at all levels to get into. By the time it's cheap enough for mass market appeal, something better will be coming along.

Welp, you explained it just fine before i did so yeah, lol.

 

[Succinct Verbosity]

I love me some donkey kong, but Nintendo need to chill on the 2D platformers for a while.

 

[Calm Mind]

I don't think VR is viable for anyone right now. It's too expensive at all levels to get into. By the time it's cheap enough for mass market appeal, something better will be coming along.

inb4 that something is 8K television and how everyone needs to have that.

 

[Herb Alpert]

inb4 that something is 8K television and how everyone needs to have that.

And people will be "lol 4K and OMG checkerboard 8K upscaling"

 

[Oregano]

Delaying an NX announcement for Pokemon or Super Mario Run seems backwards to me.

The 3DS suffered badly because of Pokemon still being on DS and it didn't get a Pokemon game for two and a half years, the fact that Nintendo is letting TPC/Gamefreak pull the same shit(but worse because they're starting new gen) is already bad enough, if they're delaying the announcement of their next platform which is make or break for them it's even worse. Its flat out incompetence.

In regards to their mobile stuff Nintendo keeps reiterating that dedicated hardware is still their core business so they shouldn't be giving mobile games precedence anyway. They're treating Super Mario Run with more importance, and it might be more important but it means they are full of shit

You didn't get Sony delaying the PS4 announcement to concentrate on PS3 or Vita.

 

[usmanusb]

Nintendo does use brand


Console branding 1
Nintendo
Super Nintendo
Nintendo 64

Console branding 2
Wii
Wiiu


Handheld branding 1
Gameboy
Gameboy advance

Handheld branding 2/ middle piller
Ds
3ds


I think because of good times, we might get revival of gameboy brand revived as it may be a single screen system..

Gameboy nx

 

[I Wanna Be The Guy]

Nintendo does use brand


Console branding 1
Nintendo
Super Nintendo
Nintendo 64

Console branding 2
Wii
Wiiu


Handheld branding 1
Gameboy
Gameboy advance

Handheld branding 2/ middle piller
Ds
3ds


I think because of good times, we might get revival of gameboy brand revived as it may be a single screen system..

Gameboy nx

Gameboy is a toxic brand relative to what they need to achieve with NX. No way they call it Gameboy anything. NX needs to be new and exciting and the branding needs to reflect that. Gameboy is nostalgic, but I doesn't represent that message.

 

[ggx2ac]

Nintendo mobile games on Nintendo handhelds that already receive fully featured offerings makes no sense at all.

I wasted making a long post so I'll summarise some bits.

First, I said mobile games in general, not just Nintendo's mobile games.
The crux of the matter is revenue and demographics. The Mobile Game demographic is much larger than the traditional handheld demographic. There are people that prefer f2p titles or just games with touch screen controls. What point is there in not taking them?

You provide both traditional handheld games and mobile games on one system. Nintendo has the advantage with this because Smartphones aren't made for playing games in long sessions.

Nintendo needs mobile games from third parties on their system for revenue, including their own games. Why give Apple and Google 30% of the revenue from their own games when they can take all of it having it also available on the eShop? Having third party mobile games on the eShop also gives Nintendo that 30% revenue that Apple/Google would have received.

Also,

Nintendo mobile games on Nintendo handhelds that already receive fully featured offerings...

That's like saying Steam shouldn't have indie titles on their store because it would take away from the AAA games on there. That's silly, you want a large demographic to cater to. Why should you limit yourself to the 15-35 year old male demographic that Sony and Microsoft already have on lockdown?

Edit: The other stuff that I didn't get to mention from wasting my post was how there is less variety in genres on home consoles compared to mobile and PC. You are limiting yourself if you just cater to the AAA games that are found on home consoles which are being practically homogenised.

 

[TLZ]

Every day I come up and down the stairs, I see these neighbour's kids on the stairs with their tablets playing games. Then I look at my kids and they are on our tablets 3 times a day. Then at our relatives, the kids on their tablets. All these kids are below 10 years old.

I know it's nothing new, but it just sunk and hit me hard that times have changed, and what kids want know is different than what we want. I'm pretty sure if we had tablets back in the day we'd have craved for them. Heck I always imagined as a kid I'd wish I had a tiny touch screen to play my awesome famicom games under the blanket while my parents think I'm sleeping. Now we're there, and we know how Nintendo are after kids first, just like they always were, and how they captivated us in the 80's and 90's. And to be quite honest, I just cannot see them missing out on releasing a tablet of sorts to go after this generation of kids (casuals can fall into this bracket as well). Add some sort of sticks and buttons attachment for the older generation so we don't miss out as well (or more like they don't alienate us), and possibly connect it somehow to the TV and use a proper controller for the home crowd (not forgotten or alienated as well) and they've won almost everyone.

Maybe these attachments can be sold separately or in bundles, like say; a tablet only version, a tablet with controller attachment bundle (for the handheld crowd), and a tablet (or just a dock with the same innards as the tablet) with a controller bundle (home crowd).

In conclusion, I see tablets everywhere with kids. Nintendo is a business. Nintendo are always after kids. Give them the tablets they want filled with awesome games and they'd be hooked like crackheads.

The question is, how do you get them to convince their parents to buy these Nintendo tablets? Maybe that is why Nintendo are dipping into iOS and android, to get them to experience and get a taste of Nintendo's great games. Get them hooked then.... want more? Buy our tablets where you can have access to tons more of our exclusives!

Yea baby, I'm hyped like a muthafucka!

(Then none of this happens

)

 

[Branduil]

I'm sure VR will be revisited in the future. I get that now, there may be the concern of Nintendo going with a gimmick for the umpteenth console in a row, plus the field is so young and pretty niche ATM. There'll probably be a Nintendo VR machine once VR starts becoming more common (i.e. more mainstream-friendly, cheaper, etc.) in the next few years. The concept just gels with them too well for them to not consider it at any point ever.

If VR and mobile tech keeps progressing at its current rate Nintendo should be well-positioned to release a VR accessory with the 1440p NX 2 in a few years. LOL

 

[J@hranimo]

Investing in VR as a main component to a brand new game platform in early 2017 doesn't really seem like...the best idea. It's still quite the enthusiast accessory and it hasn't truly proved itself as a must-have in the gaming realm. Support in the future is likely, but not now.

Oh hey look it's Friday. You guys ready?

 

[Dark Cloud]

Investing in VR as a main component to a brand new game platform in early 2017 doesn't really seem like...the best idea. It's still quite the enthusiast accessory and it hasn't truly proved itself as a must-have in the gaming realm. Support in the future is likely, but not now.

Oh hey look it's Friday. You guys ready?

Has Nintendo every sent out news on a Friday?

 

[J@hranimo]

Has Nintendo every sent out news on a Friday?

I can't remember, but are you ready?

edit: Really I have to stay up for something work related, but it would be neat to see the news fly in on a Friday morning lol.

 

[Roo]

Another day, another chance for a potential reveal date announcement.

BELIEVE!!


Wait, no.. I already say that line before

October here we go!

 

[KrawlMan]

Another day, another chance for a potential reveal date announcement.

BELIEVE!!


Wait, no.. I already say that line before

October here we go!

Already giving up on Sept and were only halfway through

 

[ggx2ac]

Already giving up on Sept and were only halfway through

What? There's at least 3 more weeks for you to agonise over before September ends.

 

[J@hranimo]

Sept 9th was the breaking point. If it isn't a single digit day of the month, it's not happenin'! lol

I still believe September is the month. It makes the most sense.

 

[User123456]

agonise

Wouldn't have said it better myself.

I know NX won't support VR, but one of my biggest (impossible, never happening) dreams would be to fly around piloting a Skell in the world of Xenoblade Chronicles X.

Just experiencing the world of X in general in VR would blow my mind completely.

Maybe in another 6 years after NX2 hits...

 

[KrawlMan]

What? There's at least 3 more weeks for you to agonise over before September ends.

Oh, I'm still optimistic. I was commenting on Alstair Roo's comment

 

[Kingpin Rogers]

Investing in VR as a main component to a brand new game platform in early 2017 doesn't really seem like...the best idea. It's still quite the enthusiast accessory and it hasn't truly proved itself as a must-have in the gaming realm. Support in the future is likely, but not now.

Oh hey look it's Friday. You guys ready?

What's supposed to be happening on Friday?

 

[Taker666]

I'm gonna say it.

VR is not viable for Nintendo. The market just isn't there.

...but based on what we currently believe NX to be..they'd essentially only need a $10 headset shell to have a VR capable system.

Controller for each hand, screen slotted into the headset. Bam.

It's not like they'd need to put it in every game...Mario Kart alone would be enough for the mass market (and that's already capable of running at 60fps in 2 player split screen...which would be enough to allow for a 60fps image for each eye).

Given how easy it should be for them to implement (if the currently rumoured system is correct) ..and their vast experience with 3D and motion ..it would seem like a no brainer. If they won't do it on the NX (they probably won't) then a third party should.

 

[User123456]

...but based on what we currently believe NX to be..they'd essentially only need a $10 headset shell to have a VR capable system.

Controller for each hand, screen slotted into the headset. Bam.

It's not like they'd need to put it in every game...Mario Kart alone would be enough for the mass market (and that's already capable of running at 60fps in 2 player split screen...which would be enough to allow for a 60fps image for each eye).

Given how easy it should be for them to implement (if the currently rumoured system is correct) ..and their vast experience with 3D and motion ..it would seem like a no brainer. If they won't do it on the NX (they probably won't) then a third party should.

Based on what we currently believe NX to be, the power isn't there to bring good enough VR experiences to it.

Sure, they could have minigames and "experiences" for it, but not big games.

EDIT: Also the 720p screen wouldn't be doing it any favors.

 

[Dark Cloud]

VR is viable for every company. It needs to mature more, then all Nintendo needs to do is put a full adventure Pokemon game on it and it will sell like hotcakes.

 

[Eolz]

VR is viable for every company. It needs to mature more, then all Nintendo needs to do is put a full adventure Pokemon game on it and it will sell like hotcakes.

Is that the new "make a pokemon mmo and it will sell like hotcakes" meme?
No, VR is far from viable for every company.

 

[Dark Cloud]

Is that the new "make a pokemon mmo and it will sell like hotcakes" meme?
No, VR is far from viable for every company.

VR is viable for every company. I'm talking about the future. I'm not talking about currently. This is why I said VR needs to mature more. It could be 5 years or 10 years later, idk. And how is that a meme? It's not a lie. People would enjoy an experience to be within a Pokemon world.

 

[Dystify]

Don't think Nintendo needs to go VR yet. Maybe the situation is different in 2~3 years, but for now they should focus on NX.

 

[Retrobox]

Reggie on VR at E3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYiRDXwXgJ0#t=3m50s

Sounds to me like they're doing research right now to optimise the experience for the mass market. Somewhere down the line it's gonna come I guess.

 

[JoeM86]

I don't think VR is viable for anyone right now. It's too expensive at all levels to get into. By the time it's cheap enough for mass market appeal, something better will be coming along.

Yeah. There was a thread about how VR sales have slowed to a crawl now.

I honestly never got why people thought VR would be huge and mainstream, and the next standard for gaming.

 

[Dark Cloud]

They seem to talk about how they don't like you're cut off from the rest of the world and want a more family experience. How would this work?

Can you play multiplayer VR games? Like two people put on their VR helmets and play a shooting game against each other?

Or maybe Nintendo will create a huge VR helmet that can accommodate more than one person lol!

Yeah. There was a thread about how VR sales have slowed to a crawl now.

I honestly never got why people thought VR would be huge and mainstream, and the next standard for gaming.

What it's at right now and with some of those prices it was never going to be big lol. Even some people who played it said its a nice experience, but that's all it seems to be is just a nice novelty experience.

 

[lensoftruth]

Yo can probably strap it to your face with a gear vr type thingumy.

 

[optimiss]

Hehe I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks it will play mobile games. (You have to give the mobile demographic some convenience to have one system that plays mobile games and traditional games. Especially in Japan.)

They should really sell deluxe versions of the mobile games for NX. Not deluxe in terms of making it more like a console game, but deluxe in terms of added levels and challenges. That way you get the people who love the addictive simplicity of the mobile game to pony up for an NX to play more of the game they love.

I think if they can put together enough hit mobile games it might be enough to get people to do that. Of course then they can convert those new users into console gamers.

 

[ggx2ac]

They should really sell deluxe versions of the mobile games for NX. Not deluxe in terms of making it more like a console game, but deluxe in terms of added levels and challenges. That way you get the people who love the addictive simplicity of the mobile game to pony up for an NX to play more of the game they love.

I think if they can put together enough hit mobile games it might be enough to get people to do that. Of course then they can convert those new users into console gamers.

What would happen then is you would just get Apple buying timed exclusivity for the content. lol

They don't have to cause a split in the userbase over mobile game content. They have other means of connectivity with the NX or other Nintendo games via MyNintendo.

Edit: Here's a simple example, "Oh, I have 100 platinum coins on MyNintendo account, what can I do with them? Hey, I can get 50% off Super Mario <insert subtitle here> for NX."

 

[Taker666]

Based on what we currently believe NX to be, the power isn't there to bring good enough VR experiences to it.

Sure, they could have minigames and "experiences" for it, but not big games.

EDIT: Also the 720p screen wouldn't be doing it any favors.

720p is certainly low...but I'm not talking about making it a big focus..just an extra. Besides...the first Oculus dev kits were around that resolution.

Hell, they could make a one-off headset for $10 and bundle it in with a singular game.

As far as not having the power,..as I said, Mario Kart 8 is 60fps at 720p, in 2 player split screen on the Wii U ..and looks great. ..add the extra NX power and you've got something that would be good enough for the mass market IMO.

 

[Eolz]

VR is viable for every company. I'm talking about the future. I'm not talking about currently. This is why I said VR needs to mature more. It could be 5 years or 10 years later, idk. And how is that a meme? It's not a lie. People would enjoy an experience to be within a Pokemon world.

A MMO is a risky venture (design, budget, etc) and people are saying that as if it would solve all of Nintendo's problems in one go.
For VR, no. It's like saying mobile is viable for every company, even if VR was super cheap and accessible, it's never that easy.
Your game must adapt well to this platform, must be well marketed, especially if the market becomes crowded, you must think about the budget and costs, and countless other things. It's not viable for every company, even if it was great on every point, which is not the case right now.

I'm not saying Nintendo should never do VR, but that saying something is viable for everyone is a huge jump in conclusion.

 

[User123456]

They should really sell deluxe versions of the mobile games for NX. Not deluxe in terms of making it more like a console game, but deluxe in terms of added levels and challenges. That way you get the people who love the addictive simplicity of the mobile game to pony up for an NX to play more of the game they love.

I think if they can put together enough hit mobile games it might be enough to get people to do that. Of course then they can convert those new users into console gamers.

What about this? Sell the full console equivalents of the mobile games, and include the mobile games with them along with a few extras for the mobile portion of the game.

Imagine for instance a full New Super Mario Bros NX which includes Super Mario Run for free with extra, exclusive levels.

The only way for the mobile player to get these levels is to buy New Super Mario Bros NX, so he does, along with an NX to play the deluxe version of Super Mario Run. But of course he already bought NSMB, so he might as well give it a shot...!

You've just gradually exposed a casual mobile player to a more in-depth, console Mario experience.

 

[ggx2ac]

What about this? Sell the full console equivalents of the mobile games, and include the mobile games with them along with a few extras for the mobile portion of the game.

Imagine for instance a full New Super Mario Bros NX which includes Super Mario Run for free with extra, exclusive levels.

The only way for the mobile player to get these levels is to buy New Super Mario Bros NX, so he does, along with an NX to play the deluxe version of Super Mario Run. But of course he already bought NSMB, so he might as well give it a shot...!

You've just gradually exposed a casual mobile player to a more in-depth, console Mario experience.

At that point you may as well just do games as a service.

Sell f2p Mario game:
- Mario game has touch control stages
- It also has standard controls stages.
- f2p
- Pay to buy more stages.
- Pay to buy Luigi/Peach/Toad/Rosalina or unlock them by doing the relevant stages
- Game updates weekly/monthly with new stages (So it won't start with 8 worlds.)
- Upload your achievements to social media. (lol)
- Other stuff that can be copied from f2p or games as a service games.

 

[TLZ]

They seem to talk about how they don't like you're cut off from the rest of the world and want a more family experience. How would this work?

Can you play multiplayer VR games? Like two people put on their VR helmets and play a shooting game against each other?

Or maybe Nintendo will create a huge VR helmet that can accommodate more than one person lol!

Even better go holographic

 

[MuchoMalo]

Yo can probably strap it to your face with a gear vr type thingumy.

That's not gonna work with a 720p screen.