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Report: NX Handheld Dimensions, Layout Info, Lack of Region Lock

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The_Lump

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Anyone else noted that the measurements don't quite seem to chime witht he images? Like it should be a lot wider than either of those images portray. 200mm x 90mm is a rather long rectangle for the screen section. Working on a drawing now, will upload

Mock-up below. This is to scale based on the OP. Seems a bit off to me...

The scale shown in the second OP mockup seems more realistic, but no way thats 281mm x 92mm....
(edit: I cans ee many others spotted this too, haven't caught up with the whole thread, sorry!)


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So looking at the calendar for the next two months...



If we assume the press need a 3 week ahead notice for planning that puts us at the 22nd at the earliest. That being said with the direct tomorrow and such I doubt any invites come.

So that pushes us to the 6th at the earliest as Monday is a US Holiday even if Nintendo is a Japanese company. Announcement won't go out on Labor Day.

That puts us at the 27th at the earliest.

Invites won't come out on the 7th cause other shit is going on that day. So you have a time block from the 8th till the 16th for pre TGS invites. That would mean going off the 3 week theory the event would be the 29th-7th.

If invites don't go out till after TGS your talking the earliest being the 12th with the week of the 17th being more likely. YMMV if that's too late into October.

Nintendo won't announce their NX direct with a week warning

They will announce it like the day before like every direct

This one will be a Beyoncé type surprise tbh

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Vena

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Honestly, I hope the final unit is a bit smaller, especially the width: way too much unused space, sincerly hoping it's greatily reduced when we get it in our hands. I'd like the thickness to be smaller too, and I'd say it's possible, considering that rumour about dev kits powered by an X1 heavily vented...a huge and noisy fan increases the thickness, and if final NX features a different Nvidia chip, based on Pascal architecture, it can be sleeker.

The current dimensions dont make sense to begin with. This thing looks like a hoagie with the current width vs. length.
 

QaaQer

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Honestly, I hope the final unit is a bit smaller, especially the width: way too much unused space, sincerly hoping it's greatily reduced when we get it in our hands. I'd like the thickness to be smaller too, and I'd say it's possible, considering that rumour about dev kits powered by an X1 heavily vented...a huge and noisy fan increases the thickness, and if final NX features a different Nvidia chip, based on Pascal architecture, it can be sleeker.

Is the n3ds too thick for you?

I'm sure the NX will be fine size-wise because it has to be kid-friendly.
 

MadOdorMachine

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I'm already thinking of ideas of how Nintendo can can save this abomination.

The huge size is a compromise to portable gamers and it being portable is and compromise for console gamers. It's weird middle ground with a awful gimmick of detachable controllers.

So here is my idea

NX Tablet Hybrid with 6.2 inch screen
$250

Then a year down the line we can have revisions

NX Portable with 4.5 Inc screen with controls not detachable
$200

NX Console (No Screen) with Pro Controller
$200

All systems will play the same games and have the same hardware inside.
I'm in the same boat. All of the rumors pouring out lately indicate the NX is essentially the WiiU reversed. In other words, where WiiU is a dedicated console that streams to a handheld, the latest rumors indicate NX is a hybrid handheld that outputs to a TV. Granted this is all speculation based on rumor but given all the patents and official comments, the rumors are believable. My concern is that this will do little to address some major problems Nintendo have had since the N64 days. Let's look at some of them:

Marketing - I'm confident Nintendo will drop the Wii naming convention with NX but based on these rumors, will that be enough? If this is what NX is, I predict consumers will continue to be confused and might perceive it as a re-branded WiiU. I can see them asking if it is a handheld or a console. If its a handheld, are they going to want to deal with all of these attachments? Likewise, if its a console will people understand it as that? Even if they understand what it is, I think it will still be seen as inconvenient and overly complicated. What if this is why Nintendo has been so silent on revealing it? Do they even know how to market the NX?

Hardware - Based on the rumors, Nintendo are trying something that hasn't been done before. There have been other devices that could display on your TV (original PSP) or that had two dedicated units (Nvidia shield portable and console/PSP Vita and Vita TV) but detachable controls is something new. That's one issue and it has its own hurdles to overcome.

The other obstacle is power. This has already been discussed quite a bit, but we all know there are different things to consider when designing a handheld vs a console. What makes things different today is that you could design two separate devices (a handheld and console) with the same architecture. As a result, you can have them be at parity with each other or have the console be more powerful.

Software - Focusing on a single piece of hardware will help Nintendo's first party output, but what about third parties? If the rumors are correct, they are putting all of their eggs in one basket and they're doing at the complete expense of having ports from other current consoles. Yes, they might be able to get some exclusives but this all dependent on the success of the handheld.

Final Thoughts - It appears Nintendo is betting the farm on the NX handheld and hoping they can carry that over to the console. I think its a good idea for them to leverage the strengths they have with their handhelds, but there are a lot of ways that can be done and I'm not sure their planned strategy is the best one. I think their best option would be to continue to make dedicated handhelds and consoles, but have them share the same architecture. They could make software compatible between the two, but at the same time, they could also have exclusives to each one. If the console was on par with current gen consoles this would allow them to get that support while also being compatible with the handheld. They could even design each one to have unique features. The handheld will almost certainly have a touchscreen, but that might not translate well on a console. Perhaps they could incorporate motion controls to the console as a replacement. Also, they've already added head tracking into the New 3DS, but this is something I think they could really expand on with the console. It opens up a lot of gameplay possibilities that I'd like to see explored. Also, they could design the handheld and console to work in tandem with each other. This would come in handy for local multiplayer as well ports from DS, 3DS and WiiU.

TLDR; At the core, I think it's a mistake for Nintendo to make the NX a single piece of hardware. I don't think it will resolve the problems of confusion or convenience that hampered the WiiU. I think a shared architecture is the right way to go, but I think they should be designing a dedicated handheld and a dedicated console instead of trying to shoehorn the two into one.
 

Vena

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Mock-up below. This is to scale based on the OP. Seems a bit off to me...

The scale shown in the second OP mockup seems more realistic, but no way thats 281mm x 92mm....

That's too large, the dimension don't make any sense. This is the size of a 6.2" screen in metric.


Something is very wrong in this report. 281mm is impossible unless this thing has an 25.4mm of bezel in every direction which is nonsensical.
 
I don't think Nintendo has much to worry about when it comes to consumers confusing NX with Wii U. People actually have to know about your previous product in order to lose track of which is which.

Anecdotal, but no one in my family knows that Wii U exists and they all own Wii systems.
 

The_Lump

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That's too large, the dimension don't make any sense. This is the size of a 6.2" screen in metric.



Something is very wrong in this report. 281mm is impossible unless this thing has an 25.4mm of bezel in every direction which is nonsensical.

Yup. Either it's been measured wrong or they lyin'
 
I don't think Nintendo has much to worry about when it comes to consumers confusing NX with Wii U. People actually have to know about your previous product in order to lose track of which is which.

*average consumer sees Wii X on shelves in 2017*

"Oh wow! It's like a tablet for the Wii! Why didn't they think of this before!"
 

LordOfChaos

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They choose to reveal a 'share' button over some info on the ergonomics of the controller pieces? Especially when detached, do they each have their own battery or does it use that 'no-battery' technology Nintendo patented recently? And does it have those scroll-wheel shoulder buttons or what? All these tiny little leaks revealing so very little info, it seems almost pointless.


You mean the optical sensor buttons? It would have to be attached to the tablet for that, to be separated it would have to use energy to send a signal to the console and perceive button presses. Their patent does not remove the need for batteries for that.
 

Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
The current dimensions dont make sense to begin with. This thing looks like a hoagie with the current width vs. length.

Well, now I get why I find all the recent rumours so tasty. Amirite, people...amirite.

Seriously though, it's true that we're talking about dev kits and not final units, so dimensions can vary, and I've already explained a possible change given one of the tidbits from the original EG leak. I hope it actually happens to be sleeker overall.
 

tr1p1ex

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Question is why does a Wii U owner really need this thing?

It is going to feel weird paying $300+ for essentially the same Nintendo device I already have now in order to play Nintendo's new games on my tv. Don't care much about the portability aspect myself.
 

Dystify

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I imagine 281mm is very possible for the dev unit. Controller parts on both sides, the 6.2" screen in the middle and huge parts of nothingness next to the screen. The retail unit will not be 281mm long.

The 92mm height on the other hand is probably close to what we're getting.
 
You mean the optical sensor buttons? It would have to be attached to the tablet for that, to be separated it would have to use energy to send a signal to the console and perceive button presses. Their patent does not remove the need for batteries for that.

It's 5 mm flatter than a Wii remote, so probably moving from AA batteries to an internal rechargeable.
 

ozfunghi

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That's too large, the dimension don't make any sense. This is the size of a 6.2" screen in metric.

Something is very wrong in this report. 281mm is impossible unless this thing has an 25.4mm of bezel in every direction which is nonsensical.

I'll just quote myself... again, also the WiiU screen is exactly 138mm wide, not 142mm.

It just doesn't add up.

The sketch from the leak, does not match the measurements.

In fact, if we assume she misread the 281mm and it should be 218mm, in that case, it all makes much more sense, since she says the detachable controllers are 38mm wide.

A 6.2" screen (such as the WiiU) is +/- 138mm wide.
2 detachable controllers are 76mm wide.
That would leave 2mm bezel on each side of the screen.
38 + 2 + 138 + 2 + 38 mm = 218 mm

This would fit the sketch much better. But, on the other hand, she says the unit (without controllers) is already 205mm, so this would not add up, unless she just calculated started from the incorrect 281mm minus both controllers to get to 205.

In this case, it would look something like this, which resembles the sketch much more closely!

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Original sketch in OP:

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Question is why does a Wii U owner really need this thing?

It is going to feel weird paying $300+ for essentially the same Nintendo device I already have now in order to play Nintendo's new games on my tv.

Other than both having a screen, the concepts look completely different.
 
Question is why does a Wii U owner really need this thing?

It is going to feel weird paying $300+ for essentially the same Nintendo device I already have now in order to play Nintendo's new games on my tv.

Cuz we play games, not devices. New games won't be on old devices.

Plus people are more than willing to cough up $$$ for "essentially the same device" all the time, see: PS4 + XBone and phones, etc.
 

Schnozberry

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Yeah, I'm assuming this as well. Wonder if the pads will click, though. And nothing about shoulder buttons yet. They need at least the bog standard Wii U setup to play Zelda.

I'd be surprised if we didn't have a pretty standard looking control setup once the controllers are attached. Anything is possible, but they want ports so they can't oversimplify.
 

Dr. Buni

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Question is why does a Wii U owner really need this thing?

It is going to feel weird paying $300+ for essentially the same Nintendo device I already have now in order to play Nintendo's new games on my tv. Don't care much about the portability aspect myself.
I can't play NX games on a Wii U.

The Wii U also isn't a handheld, I can't take it to play on my future job, etc. Portability is a must for me.

Completely unrelated but I hope the NX has some sort of BC. 3DS or Wii U, doesn't matter which.
 

maxcriden

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It does if Nintendo sees separate home consoles as a lost cause but they don't want to lose the 5-10 million core Nintendo console customers. The addition of a tv out is adds little to the cost of the unit and a hybrid can be sold to those who only want tv gaming, whereas a handheld only cannot.

Also, any word on circle pads vs actual sticks?

Per Fourth:

Don't know if it's been posted, but Laura clarified that they are indeed circle pads.
 
Question is why does a Wii U owner really need this thing?

It is going to feel weird paying $300+ for essentially the same Nintendo device I already have now in order to play Nintendo's new games on my tv. Don't care much about the portability aspect myself.
You're going to want to buy this if you want to play Nintendo games
 

Branduil

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I imagine 281mm is very possible for the dev unit. Controller parts on both sides, the 6.2" screen in the middle and huge parts of nothingness next to the screen. The retail unit will not be 281mm long.

The 92mm height on the other hand is probably close to what we're getting.

Well, 92mm only gives the screen about a cm to spare so yeah, can't get much slimmer there. It's the other two dimensions that will probably be reduced.
 
Question is why does a Wii U owner really need this thing?

It is going to feel weird paying $300+ for essentially the same Nintendo device I already have now in order to play Nintendo's new games on my tv. Don't care much about the portability aspect myself.

New games

Completely portable this time

potential 3DS like support (pokemon, ace attorney, etc)
 

maxcriden

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Marketing - I'm confident Nintendo will drop the Wii naming convention with NX but based on these rumors, will that be enough? If this is what NX is, I predict consumers will continue to be confused and might perceive it as a re-branded WiiU. I can see them asking if it is a handheld or a console. If its a handheld, are they going to want to deal with all of these attachments? Likewise, if its a console will people understand it as that? Even if they understand what it is, I think it will still be seen as inconvenient and overly complicated. What if this is why Nintendo has been so silent on revealing it? Do they even know how to market the NX?

I understand your concerns completely and I have some similar ones, though the EG rumor saying the marketing hook ("your games, on the go") will be about the hybrid nature gives me some hope. I think the name needs to elegantly capture what the system can do. I've been jokingly suggesting Nintendo Stay'r'Go but I do think the underlying idea of a name that conveys the system's purpose is potentially important.


NP!
 
Some of my PS/Xbros are actually interested in NX now that the disappointment of those consoles have settled in. They barely knew Wii U existed, but they're constantly asking about NX.

Don't fuck this up Nintendo.
 
Question is why does a Wii U owner really need this thing?

It is going to feel weird paying $300+ for essentially the same Nintendo device I already have now in order to play Nintendo's new games on my tv. Don't care much about the portability aspect myself.

The value proposition here based on the rumors is that you get 1 device to play on the go and at home. If you could play your home console games on the go and then bring them home and continue progress wouldn't you want to do that?

I think Nintendo realized they cannibalized their own business by having the Wii U and the 3ds. As a parent you would only buy 1 or the other.. and if you had both it was confusing how to use credit and the account system across both systems (youd have to buy games twice sometimes). If you combine dev for portables and home console to one unit and release 1 game for 1 platform you have a huge tranche of first party titles to fuel your release schedule. This doesnt even take into consideration how much you would save by combining your developer pool to one team focusing on one product as opposed to two very different platforms. You would be able to cross pollinate teams and bring better ideas to your existing IPs.

If third parties decided to jump on board that would be icing on the top.
 

SomTervo

Member
How do the ergonomics with the two controller bits being attached together work? Or are they held separately like nunchucks?
 

brad-t

Member
That's too large, the dimension don't make any sense. This is the size of a 6.2" screen in metric.

Something is very wrong in this report. 281mm is impossible unless this thing has an 25.4mm of bezel in every direction which is nonsensical.

It's a dev kit. It could look like anything. Arguing over the dimensions of what's almost certainly not the final product seems pointless.

Hope we'll hear something about shoulder-scrollwheels, though :')
 

Feffe

Member
I can see how NX will be for everybody.
DETACHABLE SCREEN: Use it for touch-based games, browsing or watching Netflix!
TWO-PART CONTROLLER: Each part can be used as a Wiimote for NX Sports, Mario Party or co-op 2D plaform games!
DOCK STATION: Use the dock to play your NX games on TV, using the...
CLASSIC CONTROLLER SHELL: Combine the two-part controller with this shell (with two handles)

With good advertising and a competitive price they can sell this to literally everybody.
 

maxcriden

Member
Rösti posted this on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RostiNeoGAF/status/769552268995821568

Nx reveal 23sept? San Francisco

If you go down the rabbit hole linked there it appears it is a "what's for lunch" thread with a funny title. (Unless the person who created it has some kind of inside info and this is their way of sharing that.)

I am fine with circle pads (for most games), but... why? Why not put goddamn sticks on the system? What are the advantages of having circle pads instead of sticks?

Portability/compactness. I expect sticks will be on the home controller and/or on replacement attachable controllers.
 

tr1p1ex

Member
This is Nintendo trying to squeeze itself between a rock(smartphones) and a hard place (Ps4 and X1.) You can see the wheels turning.


It gives the NX something smartphones don't have out of the box - tv play and buttons and sticks.

And it gives the NX something those other consoles don't have which is portability, a 2nd controller built-in and a touchscreen.


I still think VR could be an additional gimmick. IF not in the box then as a $60 mini-collection 2 yrs later bundled with a cheap pair of goggles that can hold the screen. And if not that then next-gen NX will have a VR gimmick. And you gotta use your imagination when I say NX might have a VR gimmick. NX VR won't be Fallout 4 in VR. It is will be Virtual Boy on Steroids in VR.
 
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