You know, I'm starting to wonder if all that unused space between the screen and the central body's sides is, well, actually used. I know the rumoured details haven't mentioned anything about buttons on the body itself, but it's also true we haven't heard anything on NFC, for example. It could be under the screen itself (like New 3DS), but it could also be an all-purposes NFC/navigation button for the body itself, so there are NFC functions (Suica cards in Japan, for example) even if you bring around the central body alone.
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Report: NX Handheld Dimensions, Layout Info, Lack of Region Lock
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OrbitalBeard
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wild wild rice
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Why? I hate Skyward Sword as much as the next rational being, but we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Gyro aiming works better than, or at the very least enhances, a right analog stick. The Wiimote improved the experience of games like Metroid Prime, aiming arrows in Zelda, Pikmin, Sin & Punishment, WarioWare, etc.
There is still plenty of life in motion controls, especially since they are now out of their infancy and developers can use them a bit more sensibly. Plus casuals love flailing and Nintendo loves casuals. Motion controls ain't goin nowhere.
Edit: Plus, how do you expect Treasure to make Sin & Punishment 3?
Heck, the return of motion controls is one of the elements (among several of them, and I wouldn't have said it at first, when I thought the ecosystem were "the way") that I really like about the project as outlined by the ongoing leaks / rumours, I'm not joking.
Are you an old man or why do you want a controller option gone?
Jorok Goldblade
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Circle pads make sense for a portable machine. Handhelds aren't as comfortable/ good to play on as a true controller (or even the Wii U gamepad). If the controller parts really can be switched out maybe we can have analog sticks. Otherwise there's still the Pro controller for us with a TV.
Skittzo0413
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It's probably all being used for ports and connectors to various development equipment, like PC and monitor ports. Those ports need to be somewhere, right?
I used that as an example to demonstrate sticks that would not obstruct a version of NX with a foldover protective cover (presumably the same one that could work as the kickstand).
lol
No it's not.
Try using your Wii U Gamepad in the ways the rumors are suggesting. Detach the controllers. Take it on the go and play. Plug in cartridges. Leaving your Wii U console on one TV, go to another room with a TV and plug it in and play instantly. Play 2 players with the Gamepad using only Gamepad components. And potentially more.
*sigh*
That probably means not clickable either. If this thing doesn't ship with a pro controller, it's fucked as a console. In fact, it would make it clear that no design consideration was given to it as a console. Maybe they'll have a package without the dock, since that seems like a complete waste to me now. I'm also standing by my "no triggers" prediction 100% now.
Dr. Buni
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Ei! Thanks for calling me an irrational being (I love Skyward Sword).
Anyways, gyro controls should definitely be a thing on the NX. I could get used to playing Splatoon (2) without gyro, but they really really do make things better in that game.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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The Gamepad was said to have circle pads too and then that changed.
Fourth Storm
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They could change, but it should be noted that when we first saw the Gamepad, there was a year and half until launch. They're working on a much tighter time frame now.
Agreed. Anyone who says "nix motion controls" is thinking of dumb "Wii waggle" and doesn't know what they're talking about.
*Quick finger snap*
Yeah, I think circle pads are almost certainly not clickable. If they look like 3DS pads, it seems ergonomically bizarre to make those clickable.
I think a cheap pro controller will be in the box.
I doubt there will be a package at launch without the dock, since the EG rumor said the marketing will focus on the hybrid nature of the system, the idea of playing your home console games on the go (and presumably vice-versa). I potentially expect it later on down the line, though.
Same here. We're the sole two irrational people on NeoGAF!
Yeah, all the more reason I expect a home controller packed in. Or perhaps a set of extra detachable controls that you can use on the go or at home (with some piece in-between), but that sounds overly complicated. I wonder how much a packed-in controller would up the cost.
Let me tell you this. Before hearing about motion controls, i was on the verge of not buying it.
Three.
Dr. Buni
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Or meibe we are the sole two rational people here. Plot twist, huh?
It wasn't just "said to" have circle pads; it had them at the reveal. It was changed due to negative consumer and media response. This time, it'll be shown far too late for them to change it without delaying the system. If they're circle pads now, they'll be circle pads at launch. The fact that they're even considering it again shows how tone-deaf and stupid they are.
This isn't a hybrid; it's a handheld with a dock. No design consideration was given to it as a console whatsoever.
But again, we don't know which devkit they saw. The old one or the new one which was supposedly shipped this month. Maybe the old one is 6 months old as well, meaning it could be more than a year old before the final product launches.
I'm cool with gyro. I guess "motion controls" conjure up shoehorned waggle of yesteryear. I can do without that, thank you.
First of all, Treasure should make Mischief Makers 2.
Second of all, read my above comment. Is that an alternate title for Dr. Strangelove?
OrbitalBeard
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Make that three.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I worded it that way because I thought that was the case but then wasn't positive.
I highly doubt you have any proof that's why they changed it.
If anything, I would think developers impacted the move.
So how do you play Zelda, a game that uses every single input on the gamepad? By sheer Force of Will? Do you materialize more input methods from the ether?
Then it would still mean that it's too late or they ignored developers.
That said, this is a prototype so I guess not all hope is lost.
Was this already posted? Looks like the dimensions were wrong:
http://letsplayvideogames.com/2016/08/report-nx-handheld-dimensions-layout-info-lack-of-region-lock/
http://letsplayvideogames.com/2016/08/report-nx-handheld-dimensions-layout-info-lack-of-region-lock/
Schnozberry
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Might as well just accept it that it's never even coming out at all. Hell, it might be a collective dream we are all experiencing because of Wii U related PTSD.
From Emily on Twitter...
https://twitter.com/arcadegirl64/status/771045513714028544
I got some confirmation that the right stick is below the face buttons. So it will look like the picture on left.
https://twitter.com/arcadegirl64/status/771045513714028544
I suddenly remembered that at a certain point the nx controller was supposed to be like this:
Yeah, they didn't even announced a new Sutte Hakkun. Nintendo is full of shit.
...Oh.
Well, the dimensions discussion can be erased from Earth, then. Fortunately, not everything else
Graphics Horse
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Goddamit 10k
wild wild rice
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New comment from Emily.
Dang! Thought we had broken free of the asymmetrical analogs.
The spike thing makes me think the controls are not to be used unplugged (as some hypothesised) but instead the different control methods is the key aim here. (I.e. controllers are the new Amiibo).
Also the dock and out TV could be misinterpretations of the early dev kits. The Wii U controller was plugged in when first shown at E3 was it not? I suspect the TV out is just that the final model will be wireless but the dock may not be a dock by dev hardware with the console itself remaining unplugged I.e. Wii U like.
That would be a disappointment initially for battery life bit potentially as it's the hardware, an external controller could interact whilst it's charging and 'casting' to an HDMI dongle.
Also the dock and out TV could be misinterpretations of the early dev kits. The Wii U controller was plugged in when first shown at E3 was it not? I suspect the TV out is just that the final model will be wireless but the dock may not be a dock by dev hardware with the console itself remaining unplugged I.e. Wii U like.
That would be a disappointment initially for battery life bit potentially as it's the hardware, an external controller could interact whilst it's charging and 'casting' to an HDMI dongle.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Boooooooooooooooooooooooooo.New comment from Emily.
GiantBreadbug
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Yeah well the problem is the handheld needs to have clickable sticks if the TV controller does. Inputs gotta be the same across both of the same game is being played on both.
Honestly yeah, non-clickable sticks IS unacceptable, especially when it's totally possible to put them on a handheld with good form factor (and that's been possible for many years). There is seriously NO excuse. Actually, the slide pads could even be made clickable with just a little engineering.
Another thing that's unacceptable is digital triggers, which I hope Nintendo learned from on Wii U.
Dark Cloud
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Cool. How can we trust them now?
Motion control is a broad category. The Wii is associated with waggling which is motion control. It is associated with WiiSports and tilting to steer in MarioKart. Plus pointing to aim.
The Wii U Gamepad has motion control but no waggling or pointing. It does uses tilting to steer or aim and this motion control aiming works really well in a game like Splatoon.
All smartphones have motion control too.
It's something they can build into controllers now for dirt cheap. I don't see any harm and only see benefits.
You know I see the same problem for Wii U owners. I feel like I'm buying what I already have based on these rumors unless I really really want portability.
New comment from Emily.
Hmm. Could the D Pad changes be to become more button like; allowing two players to play a game facing one another?
Gamer @ Heart
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Patent pictures are NEVER proof of anything. They only what's needed to sell the idea of what it's about.I suddenly remembered that at a certain point the nx controller was supposed to be like this:
Dr. Buni
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There are dozens of us! Dozens!
Uh
New comment from Emily.
Thank fucking god. I hope this is fact. I could not stand seeing all those fan mockups with everyone having symmetrical button placement. As well as no D-Pad.
wild wild rice
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If they bring back analog, I hope it's for a reason. I imagine a new Waverace would be fun to control with those...
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