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[maxcriden]

I imagine Nintendo will quickly kill Wii U production soon after NX lauches. It'll be interesting ot see what they do with the 3DS though.

Hm, wasn't it rumored to have already been stopped?

Im really hoping we arent waiting till fall 2017 for a proper console. I really hope there is a full console version from jump

At this point, if you are willing to believe the rumors, I don't think there is any reason to expect a traditional console at any time next year.

If the TV out is on the handheld then you don't need the dock at all?

As others have said, many devkits have a TV out so it's not necessarily in the final product. Even if it is in, though, the dock at minimum would provide additional USB and controller connectivity, and possibly allow 1080 output as said above by family_guy (and now I see Refreshment.01 has an excellent post on this as always).

Remember when Aonuma brought up a few years ago about changing the conventions of Zelda? It was the January 2013 Direct.

One of the things he listed way "play by yourself" as a convention he wanted to look at. Considering the NX will have two controllers, maybe there will be a bigger role for a second player than previously thought?

I forgot all about this. I do wonder then if there's a MP aspect not yet seen that's in the game. Or perhaps that just went into TFH.

 

[Refreshment.01]

I'm torn on this as I really think it will be a missed opportunity if they don't require the Dock for TV play in order to have a higher clock speed and not worry about battery life of the system. If they allow for wireless play that basically kills the idea of true 1080p rendering when played on TV and instead we'll get the same performance at all times and thus a 720p picture.

Second screen experiences are nice for some games, but let's be honest it's more of a quality of life feature than something that really any game has used in a meaningful and worthwhile way. Such a feature is especially superfluous if the trade off is between greater graphical performance vs the convenience of a second screen for maps and menus.

It's one thing to keep the TV Out on the handheld and allow for TV Play without the dock when you're at a friends house or something and the system runs it at handheld specs. It's not likely a feature many will use, but it's a quality of life feature that doesn't really impact much. But have the dock specifically act as a relay between the handheld and TV wirelessly and developing games with a second screen in mind runs in direct conflict with positioning the device as a real console experience with the added benefits that traditionally come with a console, ie greater graphical fidelity and performance.

To not actually make the handheld and console experiences distinct in that regard and fully utilize the system's capabilities when used as a console would be a huge mistake in my mind. It's 2016, 720p for a console, even if it is a hybrid, is not really acceptable.

Except having Wifi on the dock woldn't prevent the system to get a performance increase when docked. They are not mutually exclusive as you think.

The NX would basically work as you are wanting here but with expanded functionality. Only real downside is that the dock will increase in price by some extent if Nintendo opts to include the Wifi and the necessary chipset.

The Wifi enabled dock would allow to have simple assymetrical local multiplayer ( and a 3rd controller out of the box in thisc case), also games that make more sense with the touch screen as an interface when playing in the TV or 2 NX systems connected to the same TV. Another interesting use would be to comunicate with the dock from a remote location and having it download conetnt to expanded storage (either a connected SD card or HardDrive).

 

[Hermii]

Someone else answered this eariler, but I will also add that Matt was the one who said that the next handheld screen resolution was, "more than you expect, but less some were hoping for." a long time ago.

That's super vague. Most people thought it meant 540p. He probably didn't know the final resolution at that time.

 

[Anastasis]

Still nothing from Emily?

 

[Dark Cloud]

Still nothing from Emily?

I was wondering the same.

 

[Anastasis]

I was wondering the same.

As they say:

Great minds obsess over NX info alike.

 

[Deleted member 465307]

That's super vague. Most people thought it meant 540p. He probably didn't know the final resolution at that time.

I don't think anyone could. It was a while ago, so I imagine specs were still changing a lot. Nintendo probably had a target range at the time, though.

 

[Dark Cloud]

As they say:

Great minds obsess over NX info alike.

Yeah, I'm too obsessed at this point. Lol

This is off topic, but I noticed when people quote me it's not showing it in green anymore and now it shows the box in black. Not sure if this is happening to everyone else?

 

[PadWarrior]

Nothing from Emily yet?

 

[Speely]

That's super vague. Most people thought it meant 540p. He probably didn't know the final resolution at that time.

If he did know, then 720p supports his comments more so than any other resolution. Like you said, lots of folks (myself included) assumed 540p. Others hoped for 1080p. A 720p reality would be the only real rez that lines up with that comment imo.

 

[lwilliams3]

If he did know, then 720p supports his comments more so than any other resolution. Like you said, lots of folks (myself included) assumed 540p. Others hoped for 1080p. A 720p reality would be the only real rez that lines up with that comment imo.

At that time, some people even expected 480p, so 540p was generally expected. It is also easy to scale up from 540p to/from 1080p.

 

[Jorok Goldblade]

2D - only 3DS isn't happening. It's like the bottom screen only DS, no Gamepad Wii U, or wave bird instead of remote Wii that people have begged for over the years. It would be throwing away the differentiating factor of the system and just releasing an underpowered vanilla box.

Believe it or not, there are people that literally won't give a shit about the NX's portable features and would rather buy a cheaper TV-only system bundled with full-sized controllers instead of paying extra for the latter on top of paying for portability they won't need.

2DS came about because parents were paranoid about the 3D display melting their kids eyes.

 

[Skittzo0413]

This is off topic, but I noticed when people quote me it's not showing it in green anymore and now it shows the box in black. Not sure if this is happening to everyone else?

I'm seeing this too.


Also I don't know why people are suddenly expecting a home console coming within a couple years... It's certainly a possibility but we have nothing suggesting that besides years old quotes from Iwata.

 

[Volotaire]

Nothing from Emily yet?

Emily Rogers
@ArcadeGirl64
My final NX update will be going up tomorrow morning. There was a delay because I didn't want to rush this. Don't expect much new info.

.

 

[Dark Cloud]

.

So she's saying there will be new info! Ahah I was right!

I'm seeing this too.


Also I don't know why people are suddenly expecting a home console coming within a couple years... It's certainly a possibility but we have nothing suggesting that besides years old quotes from Iwata.

Yeah, not sure what's going on.

Anyways look at it from our perspective. This whole time we thought Nintendo was doing a NX console and NX handheld. All these rumors in the first half of the year kept pointing to it. It's not until very recently we're finding out its a hybrid type of system and this is about 9 months from launch.

A console could come in late 2018- we wouldn't hear about it because it's too early for Nintendo to be finished working on it and sending them out.

 

[Angry Chair]

Yeah, I don't see how there can't be a console. This NX hybrid is the successor to the 3DS first, but powerful enough to be a light successor to the Wii U. The 3DS successor was due anyways with the Wii U successor following it. Difference now is they'll all fall under the NX umbrella.

This hybrid could flop. Upgradeable docks wouldn't save it because they're optional.

The hybrid could flop but a console won't? There isn't a chance in hell a console NX sells anywhere near as much as the handheld/hybrid version will.

2D - only 3DS isn't happening. It's like the bottom screen only DS, no Gamepad Wii U, or wave bird instead of remote Wii that people have begged for over the years. It would be throwing away the differentiating factor of the system and just releasing an underpowered vanilla box.

Believe it or not, there are people that literally won't give a shit about the NX's portable features and would rather buy a cheaper TV-only system bundled with full-sized controllers instead of paying extra for the latter on top of paying for portability they won't need.

A console NX will not be cheaper than the handheld/hybrid version especially if it is a lot more powerful like people want it to be. I guess it's plausible they make a cheap version if they make NX consoles but I doubt it.

 

[Skittzo0413]

So she's saying there will be new info! Ahah I was right!

Haha that was my first reaction too...

Man, you know we're thirsty for news when we see "don't expect much" and hear "expect some!"

 

[Dark Cloud]

The hybrid could flop but a console won't? There isn't a chance in hell a console NX sells anywhere near as much as the handheld/hybrid version will.


A console NX will not be cheaper than the handheld/hybrid version especially if it is a lot more powerful like people want it to be. I guess it's plausible they make a cheap version if they make NX consoles but I doubt it.

Im not saying a console wouldn't flop. Are we expected to believe Nintendo isn't thinking of fallback plans right now? They're not going into a market with just one system. Wii U is dead (beaten like a dead horse) and 3DS hardware sales are fading, but still good enough to get money from. 3DS has to go at some point and NX won't carry Nintendo for 4-5 years if it fails within the first year.

Look at Apple with iPhones and iPads. Sony with PS4, Neo, Slim, VR and MS with Xbox One, S, Scorpio. Everybody has multiple systems.

Haha that was my first reaction too...

Man, you know we're thirsty for news when we see "don't expect much" and hear "expect some!"

I don't even know if the NX will be able to quench my thirst at this point lol.

 

[Speely]

At that time, some people even expected 480p, so 540p was generally expected. It is also easy to scale up from 540p to/from 1080p.

Yeah the scaling thing was a big factor in assuming 540p for me. I sort of even hoped for it because of the battery life potential, but 720p makes a lot of sense and makes this portable a beast. I just think that the 540p camp was the biggest on the modest end of the spectrum, and 1080p was a very "hoped for" target.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Remember when Aonuma brought up a few years ago about changing the conventions of Zelda? It was the January 2013 Direct.

One of the things he listed way "play by yourself" as a convention he wanted to look at. Considering the NX will have two controllers, maybe there will be a bigger role for a second player than previously thought?

Actuall aonouma already addressed multiplayer and that the next Zelda may break that convention not botw.

 

[Dark Cloud]

Actuall aonouma already addressed multiplayer and that the next Zelda may break that convention not botw.

Oh ok. Yeah, I definitely missed him saying that part.

 

[NinjaCoachZ]

Actuall aonouma already addressed multiplayer and that the next Zelda may break that convention not botw.

Is there a chance he was referring to (the concept that eventually became) Triforce Heroes?

 

[Neoxon]

Yeah the scaling thing was a big factor in assuming 540p for me. I sort of even hoped for it because of the battery life potential, but 720p makes a lot of sense and makes this portable a beast. I just think that the 540p camp was the biggest on the modest end of the spectrum, and 1080p was a very "hoped for" target.

The minimum for most people was 480p at the time, which led people to believe that 540p was gonna be the NX's screen resolution.

 

[maxcriden]

Is there a chance he was referring to (the concept that eventually became) Triforce Heroes?

I'd assumed the same possibility, but I think Mihael is saying that Aonuma addressed this after the E3 2026 full reveal of the game and that as such it's neither TFH nor BOTW but a future game that could challenge these conventions.

 

[Neoxon]

What's up with people starting to think that the NX will be delayed again?

 

[Dark Cloud]

I'd assumed the same possibility, but I think Mihael is saying that Aonuma addressed this after the E3 2026 full reveal of the game and that as such it's neither TFH nor BOTW but a future game that could challenge these conventions.

Wow Nintendo really delayed BotW to 2026? That's it I'm done with Nintendos bs!

What's up with people starting to think that the NX will be delayed again?

Because we're at the end of September and Nintendo didn't announce the NX reveal date.

 

[Lupin the Third]

At that time, some people even expected 480p, so 540p was generally expected. It is also easy to scale up from 540p to/from 1080p.

That's why he said "More than you expect." He knew most people expected 540p or something close to Vita. 720p is super unexpected for a "withered technology" Nintendo handheld, but people on the bleeding edge of tablet/smartphone tech are expecting 900p, 1080p, 1440p... 720p is very much in line with the hint.

Speaking of withered technology, the tech used in the 3DS display was actually first released by Sharp in 2003 as a Sharp "SmartStereo" screen in a laptop (IIRC) and was planned for GameCube.

 

[Azoo]

What's up with people starting to think that the NX will be delayed again?

It wasn't announced on the first day of September. lmao

Well, that and the recent focus on 3DS I suppose.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Oh ok. Yeah, I definitely missed him saying that part.

Is there a chance he was referring to (the concept that eventually became) Triforce Heroes?

No

The minimum for most people was 480p at the time, which led people to believe that 540p was gonna be the NX's screen resolution.

Yes

 

[Doc Holliday]

What's up with people starting to think that the NX will be delayed again?

Because Nintendo delays console launched a lot.
No announcement for a system coming out in March.
Not even a hint of games besides Zelda

 

[Roo]

What's up with people starting to think that the NX will be delayed again?

3DS' line up I assume.
Would be fun to see Nintendo addressing this to investors if that were the case tho lol

 

[Skittzo0413]

Because Nintendo delays console launched a lot.
No announcement for a system coming out in March.
Not even a hint of games besides Zelda

Last time they delayed an officially announced console was the N64, so you are incorrect, they have rarely ever delayed a hardware launch.

Also it's not even 6 months till late March, people tend to forget the Xb1 was revealed 6 months before launch and honestly it didn't even need all that time.

 

[Neoxon]

Would be fun to see Nintendo addressing this to investors if that were the case tho lol

Yeah, Nintendo would likely be in deep shit with their investors if they delayed the NX again. As mentioned earlier, Nintendo can't really afford to twiddle their thumbs for another year with basically filler games & late localizations for the 3DS until the NX comes out.

 

[Speely]

That's why he said "More than you expect." He knew most people expected 540p or something close to Vita. 720p is super unexpected for a Nintendo handheld, but people on the bleeding edge of tablet/smartphone tech are expecting 900p, 1080p, 1440p... 720p is very much in line with the hint.

This. 480 was the low end, but most expected 540. 720 rests right above the modest but realistic spec yet is still below WUST levels of optimism.

 

[Snakeyes]

A console NX will not be cheaper than the handheld/hybrid version especially if it is a lot more powerful like people want it to be. I guess it's plausible they make a cheap version if they make NX consoles but I doubt it.

I don't expect it to be substantially more powerful, just a cheap option for home play with full-sized controllers, more USB ports and an Ethernet port. Take out the screen and other mobile components and you could sell the the thing for $149-199.

 

[Malakai]

Also, we didn't expect a screen larger than 5 inches as well you are were discussing the 540p as a resolution. ( Just to add on to scaling and battery life points about 540p)

 

[NinjaCoachZ]

I'd assumed the same possibility, but I think Mihael is saying that Aonuma addressed this after the E3 2026 full reveal of the game and that as such it's neither TFH nor BOTW but a future game that could challenge these conventions.

Ohhh, right right. I see then.

Last time they delayed an officially announced console was the N64, so you are incorrect, they have rarely ever delayed a hardware launch.

Also it's not even 6 months till late March, people tend to forget the Xb1 was revealed 6 months before launch and honestly it didn't even need all that time.

The N64DD was delayed multiple times as well.

Also, while there's no source for this and early 2011 was the only public release timeframe, i think I saw some speculation/theorizing that the 3DS was meant for 2010 and was pushed back (and maybe the Wii U was similar?).

Honestly I think the main reason people are getting pessimistic is, well... Look at Nintendo for the past year or so. I don't even like to admit it, but I think a lot of people are getting pretty impatient/pessimistic with them. After we were all dead certain NX would be in 2016 to avoid another drought, and another drought is exactly what we got, nothing can really surprise people anymore. Hoping for the best though, but man oh man, it's starting to get ludicrous how conservative they are with this.

The Xbox One situation was also different because the 360 got some pretty healthy support up until its launch, IIRC the One wasn't first mentioned nearly 2 years prior with no word about it, hot off the heels of a horribly-selling console, and it was before E3 that they got it out of the way (i.e. when most companies announce their holiday-and-beyond plans anyway).

 

[FlyingWasabi]

Because Nintendo delays console launched a lot.
No announcement for a system coming out in March.
Not even a hint of games besides Zelda

Consoles that announce at E3 second half of June usually launch second half of November. That's 5 months. We're 6 months out from the beginning of March, and we have an iPhone announcement, PS4NEO, and TGS all happening soon. Nintendo can announce the NX around the middle of October and still have the typical 5 months from announce to launch to get it out by the end of March.

 

[Deleted member 465307]

I'd assumed the same possibility, but I think Mihael is saying that Aonuma addressed this after the E3 2026 full reveal of the game and that as such it's neither TFH nor BOTW but a future game that could challenge these conventions.

When I read that quote, my first thought was that we might end up seeing the BotW engine (and potentially world) used again, like Crossbow Training did for Twilight Princess, but rather than making a shooter game, they'd focus on multiplayer.

 

[Plinko]

.

So nothing of interest, then.

 

[Skittzo0413]

The N64DD was delayed multiple times as well.

Also, while there's no source for this and early 2011 was the only public release timeframe, i think I saw some speculation/theorizing that the 3DS was meant for 2010 and was pushed back (and maybe the Wii U was similar?).

Honestly I think the main reason people are getting pessimistic is, well... Look at Nintendo for the past year or so. I don't even like to admit it, but I think a lot of people are getting pretty impatient/pessimistic with them. After we were all dead certain NX would be in 2016 to avoid another drought, and another drought is exactly what we got, nothing can really surprise people anymore.

Well I fully agree that the silence and the droughts are frustrating as hell, but that's honestly more reason to think they have something big when they finally start talking.

Also was the N64DD ever given an official release time frame? I'm specifically saying that Nintendo has rarely ever delayed a device once it was given an official release time frame, so internal delays like the 3DS and likely the NX this year aren't relevant now that the NX officially has a release month.

 

[Enduin]

Except having Wifi on the dock woldn't prevent the system to get a performance increase when docked. They are not mutually exclusive as you think.

The NX would basically work as you are wanting here but with expanded functionality. Only real downside is that the dock will increase in price by some extent if Nintendo opts to include the Wifi and the necessary chipset.

The Wifi enabled dock would allow to have simple assymetrical local multiplayer ( and a 3rd controller out of the box in thisc case), also games that make more sense with the touch screen as an interface when playing in the TV or 2 NX systems connected to the same TV. Another interesting use would be to comunicate with the dock from a remote location and having it download conetnt to expanded storage (either a connected SD card or HardDrive).

I don't think they're mutually exclusive, just in competition on a system that is likely only $200, $250 at the most. What you're saying is certainly feasible and a nice feature, but this is going to be a low cost product and to expect all things will only result in disappointment.

Not to mention simply from a marketing stand point it confuses things. Just explaining a hybrid system in the first place and that when docked the system is more powerful will be a hard enough concept and selling point to convey to many consumers. Add in that they can eschew docking but still play off TV, but with reduced performance and visuals, in order to have a second screen setup will make that message more complicated. The more caveats and ifs you add to your pitch the harder it will be to sell people on it.

If they can pull it off I'm all for it, but if I have to pick and choose I can easily live without a second screen option. Having a visually tangible improvement to the experience on TV is way more important to me. If I'm just playing the same 720p image on a big screen I'll just end up sticking to the handheld display only.

 

[Angry Chair]

Im not saying a console wouldn't flop. Are we expected to believe Nintendo isn't thinking of fallback plans right now? They're not going into a market with just one system. Wii U is dead (beaten like a dead horse) and 3DS hardware sales are fading, but still good enough to get money from. 3DS has to go at some point and NX won't carry Nintendo for 4-5 years if it fails within the first year.

Look at Apple with iPhones and iPads. Sony with PS4, Neo, Slim, VR and MS with Xbox One, S, Scorpio. Everybody has multiple systems.

I haven't the slightest idea what Nintendo's plans are but my guess is its fallback plan does not involve making a console if the NX flops. It's plausible they make one for some reason or another but I think upgradeable docks is more likely.

Spoiler

I don't think that's likely either.

I don't expect it to be substantially more powerful, just a cheap option for home play with full-sized controllers, more USB ports and an Ethernet port. Take out the screen and other mobile components and you could sell the the thing for $149-199.

Anything is possible but I don't see that in my crystal ball.

 

[Malakai]

On another note, does 720p mean 1280X720 or 1366X768. I see the term 720p used for both resolutions.

 

[AzaK]

On another note, does 720p mean 1280X720 or 1366X768. I see the term 720p used for both resolutions.

The latter folks need to go back to school.

 

[NinjaCoachZ]

Well I fully agree that the silence and the droughts are frustrating as hell, but that's honestly more reason to think they have something big when they finally start talking.

Also was the N64DD ever given an official release time frame? I'm specifically saying that Nintendo has rarely ever delayed a device once it was given an official release time frame, so internal delays like the 3DS and likely the NX this year aren't relevant now that the NX officially has a release month.

I hope so too, honestly. That's basically what's keeping me sane, heh.

Hmmm, well, I'm not sure. Let me double-check quickly - I know it was talked about around when the N64 was new.

FAKE EDIT:

According to wikipedia, the 64DD was publicly planned at first for late 1996, then early 1998, and eventually came out at the veeeery end of 1999, only in Japan. That was a pretty extreme example.

But yeah, anyway, I guess your point still stands. Nothing is impossible but it'd reeeaaally be best if they stick with March. Lot of stuff riding on that. Honestly it's Zelda I'm concerned about - I don't think they've even officially said it's a launch game. They've always provided a vague "2017" for it.

 

[casey_contra]

Haha that was my first reaction too...

Man, you know we're thirsty for news when we see "don't expect much" and hear "expect some!"

"just the tip"

As much as I like her "leaks," I like her opinions more. Very thoughtful.

 

[NinjaCoachZ]

"just the tip"

As much as I like her "leaks," I like her opinions more. Very thoughtful.

I really liked her article from last year when she speculated about what Wii U games are likely to be ported to NX. She made a really strong case for DK: Tropical Freeze and Xenoblade X. Sadly she deleted her tumblr so it's nowhere on the internet at the moment, but I thought it was very insightful and came from an educated perspective.

 

[Torokil]

Yeah, Nintendo would likely be in deep shit with their investors if they delayed the NX again. As mentioned earlier, Nintendo can't really afford to twiddle their thumbs for another year with basically filler games & late localizations for the 3DS until the NX comes out.

All they gotta do is say that they'll be releasing a bunch of mobile games next year leading up until the NX Q4 2017 launch and Nintendo's stock price will skyrocket.

 

[sviri]

What if the second NX is a full fledged console AND a new upgraded dock for the hybrid?