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Report: NX Handheld Dimensions, Layout Info, Lack of Region Lock

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Guys they're cutting costs. Removing mic and camera is the first thing i would have done, they're simply useless. No camera would confirm no AR though. Having 1 USB less (but one 3.0) shouldn't be a huge problem either, i only used one on Wii U every now and then and even adding an external drive would have meant using 3 at most. Adding a 3.0 port means that we don't need to use 2 ports for a HDD, and the system also supports micro sd. The number of USB ports seems fine. Hopefully they don't skimp on quality of the 720p panel.

I'm sure the battery will be shit, but i'm not worried about cooling. They'll fix that with Pascal in the final unit. What i'm actually worried about is the industrial design, cause i think that this thing will look like crap and have awful build quality. Hope i'm wrong.

I'd have expected a camera for QR functionality and nice things to have like auto Mii creation, though given the hybrid nature of the device I guess a camera isn't really going to form part of the experiences of many games developers will have in mind for it.

Maybe this means Nintendo is going to have extensive sharing functionality for most of its games, and extend that to third parties. Lots of 3DS games use QR codes and local wireless to share content rather than online.
 

The_Lump

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Guys they're cutting costs. Removing mic and camera is the first thing i would have done, they're simply useless. No camera would confirm no AR though. Having 1 USB less (but one 3.0) shouldn't be a huge problem either, i only used one on Wii U every now and then and even adding an external drive would have meant using 3 at most. Adding a 3.0 port means that we don't need to use 2 ports for a HDD, and the system also supports micro sd. The number of USB ports seems fine. Hopefully they don't skimp on quality of the 720p panel.

I'm sure the battery will be shit, but i'm not worried about cooling. They'll fix that with Pascal in the final unit. What i'm actually worried about is the industrial design, cause i think that this thing will look like crap and have awful build quality. Hope i'm wrong.

Yeah as with all Nintendo products* I'm not confident about he look and feel of this thing. I hope they prove me wrong, but I won't be surprised if it looks like a Fisher-Price Vita when it's unveiled. I mean I'll buy one regardless, but I really hope they take some notes from their contemporaries in terms of build and design.


*since the gorgeous DS Lite :'(
 
kes the best SoCs on the market. Last year's A9X and its twin Twister CPU cores run rings around the X1, and its GPU is basically a match. And it doesn't need active cooling, doesn't throttle (though the GPU was slightly underclocked in the 9.7" iPad Pro) and fits inside a thin form factor like the iPad Pro 9.7". But it's also 16nm compared with X1's 20nm, so I wonder if Nvidia has something more modern for Nintendo by the time the system launches.

Doesn't need it in order to function, but debatable from a user perspective. These things get fucking hot when playing intensive games.
 

Branduil

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Guys they're cutting costs. Removing mic and camera is the first thing i would have done, they're simply useless. No camera would confirm no AR though. Having 1 USB less shouldn't be a huge problem either, i only used one on Wii U every now and then and even adding an external drive would have meant using 3 at most. Also adding a 3.0 port means that we don't need to use 2 ports for a HDD, and the system supports micro sd so the number of USB ports seems fine. Hopefully they don't skimp on quality for the 720p panel, it has to be IPS at least.

I'm sure the battery will be shit, but i'm not worried about cooling. They'll fix that with Pascal in the final unit. What i'm actually worried about is the industrial design, cause i think that this thing will look like crap and have awful build quality. Hope i'm wrong.

Cutting costs doesn't make sense to say in regards to a maybe-actively-cooled handheld using a cutting edge chip with removable controllers and TV-out dock. Almost everything about the design is added costs compared to their previous handhelds.
 

Rodin

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I still think there is at least ONE piece of the puzzle that we are missing because not only does the NX kinda sound like a clusterfuck right now, but it also doesn't seem to innovate much at all. If the NX was basically just a strong handheld with a dock, why pretend that it needs to be kept a secret or else the competiton may steal it? It doesn't really make sense. ESPECIALLY since the competition isn't coming out with handhelds of their own anyway.

All I can say is that this September should prove to be interesting...

Well, i hope there's something we don't know as well, but it wouldn't be the first time they pull that crap. Remember the "we don't want to unveil the Wii U line up too soon because we think competitors may steal our awesome ideas"? Yeah...

I'm hoping this because this thing needs a selling point, and the hybrid concept isn't in my opinion, not to the masses at least. So the rumors about low price and incredible line up better be real.

I'd have expected a camera for QR functionality and nice things to have like auto Mii creation, though given the hybrid nature of the device I guess a camera isn't really going to form part of the experiences of many games developers will have in mind for it.

Maybe this means Nintendo is going to have extensive sharing functionality for most of its games, and extend that to third parties. Lots of 3DS games use QR codes and local wireless to share content rather than online.
Yup. I also agree about QR, but maybe they thought it wasn't necessary (or emily is wrong and there'll be a camera, this is still a rumor after all).

Yeah as with all Nintendo products* I'm not confident about he look and feel of this thing. I hope they prove me wrong, but I won't be surprised if it looks like a Fisher-Price Vita when it's unveiled. I mean I'll buy one regardless, but I really hope they take some notes from their contemporaries in terms of build and design.


*since the gorgeous DS Lite :'(
Pretty much. I kind of like the New 3DS, but that's mostly because of the awesome faceplates. Not sure about build quality, as i don't have one (yet).

Cutting costs doesn't make sense to say in regards to a maybe-actively-cooled handheld using a cutting edge chip with removable controllers and TV-out dock. Almost everything about the design is added costs compared to their previous handhelds.

That's exactly why they might need to remove unnecessary things in order to keep the price as low as possible.
 

The_Lump

Banned
Cutting costs doesn't make sense to say in regards to a maybe-actively-cooled handheld using a cutting edge chip with removable controllers and TV-out dock. Almost everything about the design is added costs compared to their previous handhelds.

They're cutting costs on things they don't need, to facilitate the the things they do need to realise their concept.
 
Doesn't need it in order to function, but debatable from a user perspective. These things get fucking hot when playing intensive games.

Yeah, that's a fair point. Sony had problems with the thermals of the Vita during development (which itself was basically an iPad 3 stuffed into a smaller but much thicker form factor) which probably contributed to that handheld's ridiculous thickness (18mm). And its CPU was downclocked to either 333mhz or 800mhz depending on who you ask.
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
I still think there is at least ONE piece of the puzzle that we are missing because not only does the NX kinda sound like a clusterfuck right now, but it also doesn't seem to innovate much at all. If the NX was basically just a strong handheld with a dock, why pretend that it needs to be kept a secret or else the competiton may steal it? It doesn't really make sense. ESPECIALLY since the competition isn't coming out with handhelds of their own anyway.

My feeling is that it has to do something with this:

Detachable controllers (motion controls and next-gen vibration technology)
 

spekkeh

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She "confirmed" no region lock.

I don't buy the part about no camera or mic. Makes zero sense for Nintendo, but who knows.

Yeah no mic maybe, but I cannot believe they're going to ditch all of AR functionality out of the gate. Low res cameras are a dime a dozen. There maybe no front facing cam, but if it's a handheld then I seriously doubt there's no backward facing cam.
 

Taker666

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I find it hard to believe it won't have a camera built-in....largely because a primary reason for detaching the controllers should be so you can use the screen like a mobile device/tablet.

It would seem crazy for Nintendo to go to the trouble of this type of set up and exclude a camera ...and lack the ability to play a port of Pokémon Go.
 

18-Volt

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No camera and Emily being unsure about triggers kinda proves my theory of multiple kinds of attachable controllers. Neat idea: simplistic controllers ( let's say NES style) wouldn't have any cameras or triggers, hardcore controllers would have sensitive analogs and triggers, casual ones would have camera etc.
 

Zalman

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I find it hard to believe it won't have a camera built-in....largely because a primary reason for detaching the control should be so you can just use the screen like a mobile/tablet.

It would seem crazy for Nintendo to go to the trouble of this type of set up and exclude a camera ...and lack the ability to play a port of Pokémon Go.
Making Pokémon Go playable on NX would require a lot of things that would ultimately increase the cost of the device significantly.
 

Kathian

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I find it hard to believe it won't have a camera built-in....largely because a primary reason for detaching the control should be so you can just use the screen like a mobile/tablet.

It would seem crazy for Nintendo to go to the trouble of this type of set up and exclude a camera ...and lack the ability to play a port of Pokémon Go.

Everyone has a phone with Pokemon Go and a camera. An ability to play a game everyone with a phone already has seems to be irrelevant.
 
ouufff, the new rumors really scare me, I don't like the sound of this Nintendo Tablet with really bad battery life -___- It really is a portable Wii U lol... Why Nintendo, why? Good bye Dual screens, good bye stylus, good bye longer batter life. goodbye 3D screen... Love you Nintendo, I will be by your side with the 3DS.
 
Nintendo’s New NX Console to Go Retro With Videogame Cartridges. Doesn't seem thread worthy as it's been reported before.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/nintend...go-retro-with-videogame-cartridges-1472811942
Do you have a subscription? I can't read the whole thing.


It's just a powerful handheld. Why does this continue to be news that it uses cartridges....? It's not a console first.
 

El Topo

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I still think there is at least ONE piece of the puzzle that we are missing because not only does the NX kinda sound like a clusterfuck right now, but it also doesn't seem to innovate much at all. If the NX was basically just a strong handheld with a dock, why pretend that it needs to be kept a secret or else the competiton may steal it? It doesn't really make sense. ESPECIALLY since the competition isn't coming out with handhelds of their own anyway.

Innovation could always be on the software side, which would also explain why revealing it early might be seen as problematic by Nintendo.
 
Yeah, that's a fair point. Sony had problems with the thermals of the Vita during development (which itself was basically an iPad 3 stuffed into a smaller but much thicker form factor) which probably contributed to that handheld's ridiculous thickness (18mm). And its CPU was downclocked to either 333mhz or 800mhz depending on who you ask.

People forget about temperature from a comfort perspective. Until a device is burning through your hands, that is.

I work with mobile devices every day, so I'm probably more aware of it than some, but I really have to tip my hat to Nintendo that they can make a device like the 3DS that can run some pretty visually impressive games without even a noticeable increase in temperature for the player.

Apple. Stop burning me.
 

ggx2ac

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From the article.

A Nintendo spokesman declined to comment on whether the NX would use cartridges. The company has been tight-lipped about the system beyond saying that it would be unveiled by the end of this year. Analysts have said an announcement could come ahead of the Tokyo Game Show, which begins Sept. 15.

Edit: That seems to be the only significant info.

Edit 2: I removed the second paragraph since Dystify pasted a lot of the article.

It wasn't important it was just reminding people of his other article mentioning the NX as a hybrid according to his sources.
 

Taker666

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Everyone has a phone with Pokemon Go and a camera. An ability to play a game everyone with a phone already has seems to be irrelevant.

I'd just have thought Nintendo would want a device that could play every title they make.. console,handheld or mobile. It would also ensure more titles appearing on the system and even fewer droughts.
 

Genio88

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Cartridges is the right way to go since it's gonna be a Handheld too, what else could Nintendo use instead? I just hope they'll improve online features, make the console region free allowing to buy digital games from different stores like we already do on Xbox One and PS4
 

Dystify

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Do you have a subscription? I can't read the whole thing.

I don't wanna copy paste the whole thing as it'd steal clicks from the site, but there isn't really anything other than the cartridge report.

Some quotes from the article:

TOKYO— Nintendo Co. plans to adopt cartridges for its next-generation videogame console, people familiar with the matter said, a step that might prompt a reassessment of the old-school format.

However, chip-based cartridges are garnering renewed attention thanks to fierce competition among semiconductor makers including Samsung Electronics Co. and Toshiba Corp. to develop flash memory that can pack more data onto small chips at a lower cost.

Industry watchers said cartridges were a reasonable choice for Nintendo’s next-generation system, code-named NX, because the company targets a wider range of consumers than Sony or Microsoft.

Cartridges also allow games to load faster, are harder to copy and can be mass-produced faster than discs, they said.

They are “no doubt today’s best format to physically distribute games,” said Atsushi Osanai, a former Sony employee who is now a visiting fellow at Harvard University.

Analysts have said an announcement could come ahead of the Tokyo Game Show, which begins Sept. 15.

(Source: http://www.wsj.com/articles/nintend...go-retro-with-videogame-cartridges-1472811942)
 
I'd just have thought Nintendo would want a device that could play every title they make.. console,handheld or mobile. It would also ensure more titles appearing on the system and even fewer droughts.

This would make their device an inferior place to play Nintendo mobile games on, not really ideal for grabbing the casual market. I always imagined the NX to get Nintendo mobile games a few weeks in advance to give casuals a reason to buy it, or have some added features.
 

ggx2ac

Member
I don't wanna copy paste the whole thing as it'd steal clicks from the site, but there isn't really anything other than the cartridge report.

Oh yeah, I should have quoted that first paragraph as it mentions his source about the cartridges.
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
I'm curious about that next-gen rumble, I wonder what it is and how will they use it. The feedback on the vive controllers is very nice, so I could see it being useful when using the detached controllers in combination with motion controls.
 

Genio88

Member
The 14mm thickness rumor is great, when i first heard about it being 25mm i was seriously worried, that would have made NX pretty hard to fit even in my shoulder bag. Also that should still refer to the prototype/devkit, retail version could even be thinner
 
I don't wanna copy paste the whole thing as it'd steal clicks from the site, but there isn't really anything other than the cartridge report.

Some quotes from the article:









(Source: http://www.wsj.com/articles/nintend...go-retro-with-videogame-cartridges-1472811942)

Most important IMO:

WSJ said:
Analysts have said an announcement could come ahead of the Tokyo Game Show, which begins Sept. 15.

Now are they speculating or have they heard a hint of it?
 

Vena

Member
It seems almost certain now that Emily's info is very similar to Eurogamer's and that active cooling has popped up again, and now seems fully believable.

Would it then be the X1 or is Nintendo putting to market an actively cooled top-of-the-line mobile SoC Pascal. Huh.

No camera or mic would sense aa cost and size cutting. Curious on lack of triggers in her report.
 

TLZ

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It's just a powerful handheld. Why does this continue to be news that it uses cartridges....? It's not a console first.

I guess the news is more losing the discs if the NX can be used as a home console or a standalone home console is involved. If the NX is a huge hit, I wonder how that would affect discs format on other future consoles. Would it put a dent in Sony's BR?
 

Hermii

Member
It seems almost certain now that Emily's info is very similar to Eurogamer's and that active cooling has popped up again, and now seems fully believable.

Would it then be the X1 or is Nintendo putting to market an actively cooled top-of-the-line mobile SoC Pascal. Huh.

No camera or mic would sense aa cost and size cutting. Curious on lack of triggers in her report.
I would bet my account it's the x1. We are talking about a company that releases +- 30 watt home consoles here.
 
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