I mean sure but we also know the final product is not Maxwell. So the info on the X1 needing cooling means whatever their target working profile is is very high. Even when mobile.
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Report: NX Handheld Dimensions, Layout Info, Lack of Region Lock
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I mean sure but we also know the final product is not Maxwell. So the info on the X1 needing cooling means whatever their target working profile is is very high. Even when mobile.
By this logic it should be Parker as it's much more power efficient.
Hero of Legend made a thread for the new cartridge article: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1273020
Yea in the final chip. That's why they have an actively cooled higher clocked x1 in the devkit.
I want to think what I mentioned before was one possibility of explaining no mic or camera on the NX.
Everyone complained the miscalculated measurements of the NX because it was 28cm long.
I would think that they decided on a thin bezel which meant they could not stick anything on the front.
It's possible then they would put speakers and maybe a camera on the rear of the device.
So either the mic and front facing camera is on the detachable controllers or on the dock. I doubt it's on the dock because with Virtual Console DS games, you had to blow on the mic. You'd have to be pretty close to the dock...
Everyone complained the miscalculated measurements of the NX because it was 28cm long.
I would think that they decided on a thin bezel which meant they could not stick anything on the front.
It's possible then they would put speakers and maybe a camera on the rear of the device.
So either the mic and front facing camera is on the detachable controllers or on the dock. I doubt it's on the dock because with Virtual Console DS games, you had to blow on the mic. You'd have to be pretty close to the dock...
Indeed. A quiet, low power device is very Nintendo-like. A loud, less power efficient device is positively un-Nintendo.
Whatever is in there, it really isn't likely to be a standard Tegra X1.
Probably. And this explains also the poor battery life.
Yeah, this too. If this is very close to the final product, it's not just an early improvisation for the devkit.
Do go on?
I was talking about the devkit. I agre with this.
Devkit: high clocked actively cooled X1.
Final hardware: quiet, cool Parker chip that's about the same performance.
PinkyMonkey
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So Nintendo didn't want to show off this device too early due to them being afraid that other companies will steal their idea...the idea being the Sony PSP with tv out?
Sounds about right.
Detachable/interchangeable controllers and local multiplayer on the go. Or something like that.
There's also the dock or detachable controllers or things we don't know yet. I assume it's the detachable controllers that they didn't want to reveal. Some companies could steal the idea before Nintendo even launched and create some cheap knock-offs for tablets and flood the market, which in turn would make Nintendo's own controller look less spectacular.
It doesn't change my estimates then. I said the optimistic range is 400-600 GFLOPS FP32, doubled for FP16. Active cooling may or may not mean it is at the 600 range. People have given their reasons that it is a dev kit and maybe they just stuck a fan in there to make sure it didn't break.
Otherwise, 600 would be the most I expect.
It's claimed Parker is 1.5TF FP16 at 256 CUDA Cores. (2 SM)
The thing is.. there is a good chance the actual big secret is not leaked yet, thus why there is something lacking in all we hear.
Maybe the final secret is the scroll-wheel shoulder buttons and they wanted to keep it so secret they didn't even put it on the dev kit.
Oops we released the patent though!
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For those who just woke up, there are 2 new NX reports.
Emily Rogers posted a wrap up of things we should expect in the retail NX version.
TL;DR: No Camera on portable NX. At least 2 shoulder buttons. Battery life doesn't sound great. NX launch in March, is ahead of schedule. More at the link.
https://arcadegirl64.wordpress.com/2016/09/02/rumor-what-should-we-expect-from-the-final-nx-product
Takashi Mochizuki from WSJ backed Eurogamer's rumor of NX using cartridges.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/nintend...go-retro-with-videogame-cartridges-1472811942
Emily Rogers posted a wrap up of things we should expect in the retail NX version.
TL;DR: No Camera on portable NX. At least 2 shoulder buttons. Battery life doesn't sound great. NX launch in March, is ahead of schedule. More at the link.
https://arcadegirl64.wordpress.com/2016/09/02/rumor-what-should-we-expect-from-the-final-nx-product
Takashi Mochizuki from WSJ backed Eurogamer's rumor of NX using cartridges.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/nintend...go-retro-with-videogame-cartridges-1472811942
Dark Cloud
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Is the battery life really not going to be good? How is taking your console type games on the go a positive point if the NX battery is short. I know this isn't the final product of course.
I really wouldn't be surprised if portable dev kits or prototypes tends to be bulkier and less optimized
ecosse_011172
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I'm hoping for triggers on the home controller.
It's so good that Nintendo already confirmed Zelda for NX. That way, we won't have to worry about silly things like the NX actually not having triggers because it absolutely needs them to play Zelda.
Now, whether the triggers will be digital or analog - that's a whole different story. If Nintendo wants Gamecube VC on NX, we'd need those no? There are not THAT many Nintendo games that utilise the analog triggers though so the dream may be ded. Welp.
Now, whether the triggers will be digital or analog - that's a whole different story. If Nintendo wants Gamecube VC on NX, we'd need those no? There are not THAT many Nintendo games that utilise the analog triggers though so the dream may be ded. Welp.
At least i hope this time it'll have a standard micro usb or usb type c port for charging, so that we will able to use any battery bank to charge/power it when needed. Nowadays who go outside without a battery bank?
Milly Osworth
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I can't make up my mind if it's better to let the rumours flow or to just announce it themselves very soon for Nintendo.
Well, adding Sunshine to virtual console won't be possible if they don't.
I hope they do as the Steam controller has reminded me why dual-stage analog triggers are so good. That plus scroll-wheel bumpers would add an order of magnitude more utility to shoulder buttons compared to the conventional setup.
Why would analog triggers be a dream? Nintendo doesn't make a lot of titles (like racing games) where they are better than the digital ones. At the same time, digital are superior in other genres, which happen to be more in line with Nintendo's offering. Personally i'd be ok with both, but if i have to choose i'd want digital buttons. The only reason i'd prefer analog triggers is GC VC, but they'd need to make them like the GC ones with that sweet click in the end, there's no point in Xbox style triggers.
If rumors are to be believed, there won't be scroll-wheel bumpers on the NX (which is a shame, really).
And Matt said NX is a thing - as in Thing One and Thing Two, which matches Iwata's brothers in a family of devices statement. Multiple devices confirmed - Believe.
Yoshi
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She says the right analog stick is below the buttons (good!) but do we have any "confirmation" that the left analog stick is above the d-pad? This is another very important thing for me. I don't want to play NX under pain like I have to do with Sony systems (and like I would have to do if I had to use the Pro Controller or Classic Controller on Wii U).
Emily on twitter said:
So most probably some kind of accessory.
This was never in questions. So no need to clarify this. And of course it's above, for the same reason the right one is below, symmetry for the detachable controllers.
The revenge of Wii Speak!
Dark Cloud
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Nintendo is trying to save money. Can you blame them after the Wii U? They probably want to make some good money back.
That won't happen for the NX games. Or if there will be some game requiring it, probably it will be bundled with the accessory.
It's not that stupid, others make good money from selling cameras and headsets separately.
Graphics Horse
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If it doesn't have one it doesn't have one, why would you worry about a game requiring one?
I've been expecting one for some kind of tracking like the new 3DS but I'm not going to worry about impact on imaginary NX titles if it doesn't
They can't save money on mic and camera, those are two essential things on nowadays mobile devices, and as i said those would cost close to nothing, it's not like they need a 16mpx Sony camera, also from the rumors sounds like it'll have them but not on the handheld, which means they're in the dock station, but if i use it as a handheld how am i supposed to used those? To me this rumor is either incorrect or the retail version will have camera and mic
The mic and camera won't be required/mandatory for any game. Very simple.
And a bluetooth headset with mic can be used also in handheld mode. It's even better than an integrated one.
Bring back the classics
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I don't think for one moment that nx will have no mic or camera this is essential for Ar , i believe Nxs innovation is in that! Unless they are separate. As in bar for wii.
So still on final product.
So still on final product.
There's no mention of AR on NX from any reliable source.
And I forgot that the AR looked great with 3D. It's not so amazing with a 2D screen like Pokémon Go until the tech improves for having virtual objects interact with the environment which I have seen research on from a video on YouTube.
Edit: like this https://youtu.be/4f09VdXex3A
That's what Hololens is doing, but that's very expensive tech yet.
Come on guys seriously, shipping a mobile device with no built-in camera and microphone in 2017 would just be hilarious, i think those would be even more important than the CPU they'll use, Nintendo's always being using those since DS, they were the first using them in gaming. I'm confident NX will have them
Why? How Nintendo used those in the past years that makes them so important, except for Pokemon Go which is a mobile app?-
Thank you my good sir!
On the other hand it would fit with the earliest rumor for Nvidia chips, namely that Nvidia could be sitting on a shitload of unsold X1 chips, and wanted to dump them somewhere to recoup the costs. I can see Nintendo go for loud, less power efficient device if it means selling it for dirt cheap. The major problem with active cooling to them is likely more that moving parts can break or clog up, than noise.
That's silly, you can get aftermarket camera modules for $4, Nintendo could probably incorporate them for less.
I wonder is Nintendo would be crazy enough to release a portable with a fan. Dev kits should really have the final components by now, so either Nintendo is going all-out, there really is a docked mode, or a chip based on the X1 is what we're getting. NateDrake still stands by Pascal, though?
Well, at the very least, looks like it will be a very powerful handheld. Can't imagine they'd go with active cooling, so either they expect better efficiency from the final chip, or maybe they're looking to put the fan in the dock after all, and lower the frequency when portable.
Also can't imagine no camera/mic. Both could be used for gaming purposes, both cost pennies and both can be handy for social apps.
Also can't imagine no camera/mic. Both could be used for gaming purposes, both cost pennies and both can be handy for social apps.
IlSignorCornetto
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No camera and no mic? Why? They are pretty cheap i suppose.
I hope that they will give an headset for every unit like in modern phone
I hope that they will give an headset for every unit like in modern phone
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