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Reports on Russian connections to Trump [Summaries in OP] #GoldenShowers
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BronsonLee
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Russia's endgame right now is to get those sanctions removed because they're fucking them up massively
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You really need an answer for that?
Can anyone tell me who this dude is? Been seeing that pic got posted a lot.
The hilarious thing is that he even said "Russia says nothing exists. Probably...", Like, the dude knows he is guilty and he's banking that it just won't come out lol.
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wesleyshark
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Your question answers itself.
Oh I know, but how can people be so BLIND. Has there even been a fake news story about it being debunked? Or are they hanging on Trumps words?
DragonSworne
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Because Trump and Russia said it was.
wesleyshark
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Bigly*
The "Probably", while unfortunately placed, actually begins his next tweet after. It's yet another example of his terrible self awareness.
WeAreStarStuff
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I could not imagine a more amazing situation.
The statement was continued in the next tweet.
Isaac Otherworld
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LookAtMeGo
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Gota get in Trumps good graces so they are not one of the media outlets he sues for having fake news stories about him.
I know I am several pages late, but from an average joe's privacy perspective, this is really bad if there are no strong checks in place. If it wasn't for this transition debacle, the scrutiny would have been very different.
wesleyshark
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Yep, it was a two part tweet. That being said, it took him 5 min to submit the 2nd tweet so that "probably..." was left out to dry haha
TheLostBigBoss
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Well, the real endgame is dismantling NATO with Trump at POTUS
but I think that hope and plan is out the window with the way everything is going.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Did they say discredited? Was it a news program or an op ed talking head who said it?
They are unsubstantiated at this point though. Discredited, no... but a talking head can twist unsubstantiated to discredited pretty easily.
TestOfTide
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Obama isn't doing nothing. He's the one who made this directive: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/...to-share-intercepted-communications.html?_r=0
Obama knows that the way to win is to look like he hasn't done anything, even when he IS doing stuff.
EDIT: In fact I would go so far as to say that Obama announced those Sanctions against Russian Diplomats as bait to see which people in Trump's inner circle would call Russia suddenly.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Trump is really something else. Under suspicion of committing High Treason and he STILL keeps kissing Russia's feet.
Remember that Russia installed Yanukovych in Ukraine, poisoning his opponent, Yushchenko to do it. When Yushchenko didn't die, and Yanukovych won, Ukraine halted the country with protest and international observers came in and re-ran the election and Yushchenko won.
So what happened to Putin's puppet, Yanukovych? He fucking won the next election five years later. Then Ukraine spent most of his next term trying to oust him AGAIN, and when they finally did, Russia annexed Crimea using the turmoil as cover.
So no, if Trump is proven to be compromised Russia won't burn him, they'll protect him and support him like Yanukovych.
So what happened to Putin's puppet, Yanukovych? He fucking won the next election five years later. Then Ukraine spent most of his next term trying to oust him AGAIN, and when they finally did, Russia annexed Crimea using the turmoil as cover.
So no, if Trump is proven to be compromised Russia won't burn him, they'll protect him and support him like Yanukovych.
One of the headlines on their website.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...sier-reportedly-helped-fbi-in-fifa-probe.html
The link on the main page says it and again in the article.
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If he weathers the storm from the US side of things he still wants to be on Russia's good side. He's 100% in bed with them, no way of getting out now.
LOL, that's exactly the quote that came to mind for me too.
My feeling on all this stuff goes kinda like this. There's really three separate but related concerns here,
1. Was Russia responsible for the DNC/Podesta hacks and releasing them through Wikileaks with the specific aim of damaging Hillary's electoral chances? I think we can pretty definitely say yes. There's almost universal consensus from the intelligence community and even GOP partisans that this was the case. The only people denying it is /r/theDonald and 4chan /pol/.
2. Does Putin have some sort of compromising information, "kompromat", on Trump that they intend to use as leverage over him during his Presidency? Obviously there's no public evidence or consensus on these claims, but I think it's safe to say that at least some in the IC are concerned about the possibility. Otherwise, why brief Trump and Obama at all on those allegations? I don't think they are out to "get" him, rather they want to protect him from potential blackmail by a foreign power. It would be in Trump and the country's best interest to come clean with the IC and public about this.
3. Has Trump or people within' his campaign actively worked with Russia to help him win the election in exchange for things like removing sanctions or a more lenient position on Ukraine? This is obviously the biggie and the only one that could lead to removal from office. It's also the one that's currently impossible to prove. Yeah, there's all sorts of circumstantial evidence, but it seems closer to a conspiracy theory than anything else. The only thing we know is that the FBI requested a warrant from a FISA court to tap a couple of Trump's aides and were denied.
1. Was Russia responsible for the DNC/Podesta hacks and releasing them through Wikileaks with the specific aim of damaging Hillary's electoral chances? I think we can pretty definitely say yes. There's almost universal consensus from the intelligence community and even GOP partisans that this was the case. The only people denying it is /r/theDonald and 4chan /pol/.
2. Does Putin have some sort of compromising information, "kompromat", on Trump that they intend to use as leverage over him during his Presidency? Obviously there's no public evidence or consensus on these claims, but I think it's safe to say that at least some in the IC are concerned about the possibility. Otherwise, why brief Trump and Obama at all on those allegations? I don't think they are out to "get" him, rather they want to protect him from potential blackmail by a foreign power. It would be in Trump and the country's best interest to come clean with the IC and public about this.
3. Has Trump or people within' his campaign actively worked with Russia to help him win the election in exchange for things like removing sanctions or a more lenient position on Ukraine? This is obviously the biggie and the only one that could lead to removal from office. It's also the one that's currently impossible to prove. Yeah, there's all sorts of circumstantial evidence, but it seems closer to a conspiracy theory than anything else. The only thing we know is that the FBI requested a warrant from a FISA court to tap a couple of Trump's aides and were denied.
Not every situation is the same; Trump has no chance to stay relevant in the US, he'll need to be pardoned not to be imprisoned.
And the goal is different here; Russia is allegedly trying to cause political turmoil in the US.
how fitting lol
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My feeling on it they will want a give and take. If the Gop wants something this is their best shot at getting it. So they get their pockets filled.
Just hope some have balls and stand up for shit besides the Pro Russia stuff. The attack on the press is the biggest thing to worry about.
This just happened.
Lawmaker: Fire CNN reporter who fought with Trump
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2611686/
Well, let's pay them a visit and see why they say it's discredited. Everyone put on your hazmat suits and follow me!
I...eh....well this is weird.
The headline on their main page reads:
But then you click it and get
in the actual article.
The first paragraph says
They don't say anything else about how or why it's discredited. The WaPO story they link to doesn't say it is.
its absolutely terrible. there is zero justification for this:
Previously, the N.S.A. filtered information before sharing intercepted communications with another agency, like the C.I.A. or the intelligence branches of the F.B.I. and the Drug Enforcement Administration. The N.S.A.s analysts passed on only information they deemed pertinent, screening out the identities of innocent people and irrelevant personal information.
Now, other intelligence agencies will be able to search directly through raw repositories of communications intercepted by the N.S.A. and then apply such rules for minimizing privacy intrusions.
Maybe what Russia has on him is really damaging.
And who knows just how much he has to lose...and not just financially
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You know how the last two years, in spite of total obstruction in congress, Obama has been able to do a ton of stuff especially on the foreign policy front?
Executive branch owns foreign policy. There would be nothing to really stop Trump from bowing down to Putin other than impeachment, unless he needed to go to congress to get cash for something.
You mean to tell me... Fox News, like many other right wing media outlets is actually just a steaming pile of horseshit designed to appeal to the wants of a stubborn, backward, hating hyper conservative audience and to cheat conservatives who are more moderate into second guessing reality?
Yikes!
Just remember, if someone displays outrage at something they learned in a briefing, it's always a Democrat. Republicans are in this so deep. There's like McCain and two other dudes, but everyone else is just happy their team won.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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At this point, I'm starting to think that all this transparency is intentional.
Losing Trump Tower would be fantastic. Jail too.
I like how there's no specified author of that article.
Trump isn't a politician. He's spent his life surrounded by yes men (which he's stocked his cabinet with, awful idea). Guy probably doesn't understand how bad all of this looks. He should be sitting back and letting this blow over for a few months instead of bringing it up at every opportunity.
And we need something beyond "Well that one dude called the Russian dude to say Merry Christmas". Being friends with Russians isn't a crime. Pls NSA leak tapes
Thing is Fox News is masterworks at spinning and twisting truths. Don't remember them ever being so obviously wrong.
BronsonLee
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I'm pretty sure he knows.
There was "Flynn and son on Russia payroll" floating around yesterday. Maybe there's something to that.
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