Flizzzipper
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Yeah, got mine too. I'm on the fence right now. With the way it's going through the waiting list it will probably be for general sale in the not to distant future.
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Retro AV Club Thread 2: Classic Gaming Done Right!
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There up to 1183 so if you're within 100 orders of that then you still have a chance to make it.
Hmm nah just outside of that high 1200s. Oh well maybe next time. Although I'll likely have a newborn in the next couple of weeks so if I don't order now I might not get around to it, lol.
Arg, do they really only accept payments through credit card?
After a pretty awful experience a couple years ago, I promised myself to never put a cc online again (I know it's silly, but I still freak out when I think about what happened), so - since then - I only use PayPal and, if possible, the debit card tied to my PayPal account. I asked the guy who emailed me to clarify, because it would be almost comical to be actually unable to complete the purchase, now.
Edit - Just got a reply, debit cards seem fine and accepted. Just for information's sake, I'll give you an update tomorrow.
Congrats on getting yours! I think Bucko said they're about halfway through the 500 units now. Must have been a lot of people who signed up and couldn't or didn't want to commit.
Yeah I use PayPal too so I'm relieved to hear that they accept debit. Thanks for letting me know hopefully everything goes well.Arg, do they really only accept payments through credit card?
After a pretty awful experience a couple years ago, I promised myself to never put a cc online again (I know it's silly, but I still freak out when I think about what happened), so - since then - I only use PayPal and, if possible, the debit card tied to my PayPal account. I asked the guy who emailed me to clarify, because it would be almost comical to be actually unable to complete the purchase, now.
Edit - Just got a reply, debit cards seem fine and accepted. Just for information's sake, I'll give you an update tomorrow.
Ah yeah you're just shy. Not sure how many more he has left or if this is the last couple he had so you may still have some hope.
My OSSC should be here soon. If it lives up to the hype I want to retire my CRT and FM and buy the fastest modern monitor I can find. I've been using a CRT for a while, have had an FM for years but only played a couple of games on it. The noise on that thing is too much. I've come to realize that I would rather take the tradeoffs with using a modern display coupled with a scaler or linedoubler if it means having pixel perfect geometry. Honestly thinking about just emulating as an option as well...
gingerbeardman
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Congrats! That Trinitron is a good first CRT.
MattyH
Member
Having a small issue with my OG xbox though enter the matrix and path of neo play really stretched
gingerbeardman
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Are they or the Xbox set to wide-screen?
MattyH
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Xbox is set to 4:3 but pal-60 is on will try with pal-60 off soon
NormalFish
Banned
144hz monitors are God's gift to man
Thanks.
Yeah, I've got the same feeling. I was past 1100, and sincerely didn't expect to get into this wave. And it seems like they still have quite a few units ready to go.
You must have found it out, by now, but my payment went through no problem. All good with VISA debit cards.
Once again, don't give up hope yet. When Matt replied to me last night, he said they still have 'plenty of units' ready to be offered to those who are waiting. You may be able to luck one out of this batch.
I'll get my new monitor after Christmas, now, but I was looking at something like these two Asus models: the 27", which would be just the perfect size, and it's pivotable too, but it seems to get alot of negative reviews due to the usual problems you can run into with IPS screens (bleeding and dead pixels for the most part). The 24" appears to get higher scores, in spite of being TN, but I'm afraid it would be a tad too small for my setup.
Not sure I even want to look at top tier stuff like the ROG Swift, considering I don't own (and I'm not interested in) a PS4/XBOX One/gaming PC.
cyborgnumberblue
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Very surprised to see my number come up, too. I was up there in the 1100-1200s.
Yeah I did. All that's left now is to wait for it to show up. Can't wait to try it out.
I know we are supposed to focus on retro systems in this thread, but I hope no one will mind a brief question on the 3DS (which I consider be somewhat retro).
So I own an OG 3DS, 3DS XL, and N3DSXL.
On Black Friday, the New 3DS will be available from all retailers for just $99.
I think I'm going to pick one up due to the increased pixel density because I feel like the XL's screen is too large to do the games justice.
My only question is this: How well are the screens calibrated on the normal sized N3DS compared to the N3DSXL? The N3DSXL has better contrast ratio and clearer colors than my other two 3DS systems. But for some reason, the original 3DS (not XL) still looks the best to my eyes visually, even with regard to color accuracy. N3DSXL, in comparison, seems to have a very cool color temperature which isn't very enjoyable to look at in my humble opinion, despite far better contrast.
Does anyone know how the normal sized N3DS screen compares? I am going to go to the Nintendo Store in NY in a few minutes to compare, but has anyone heard anything about whether there's any manufacturing variance in the calibration of N3DS screens?
For instance: it seemed like getting nicely calibrated DS-lite screens back in the day was a bit of lottery. But every DSiXL screen I've seen has looked perfect from a color representation standpoint. (Unfortunately, I still think the screens are a bit too big).
So, is the N3DS a lottery or do all the screens look the same? Because it seems like Nintendo is unpredictable in how it cobbles together its DS-line of systems on the manufacturing chain.
So I own an OG 3DS, 3DS XL, and N3DSXL.
On Black Friday, the New 3DS will be available from all retailers for just $99.
I think I'm going to pick one up due to the increased pixel density because I feel like the XL's screen is too large to do the games justice.
My only question is this: How well are the screens calibrated on the normal sized N3DS compared to the N3DSXL? The N3DSXL has better contrast ratio and clearer colors than my other two 3DS systems. But for some reason, the original 3DS (not XL) still looks the best to my eyes visually, even with regard to color accuracy. N3DSXL, in comparison, seems to have a very cool color temperature which isn't very enjoyable to look at in my humble opinion, despite far better contrast.
Does anyone know how the normal sized N3DS screen compares? I am going to go to the Nintendo Store in NY in a few minutes to compare, but has anyone heard anything about whether there's any manufacturing variance in the calibration of N3DS screens?
For instance: it seemed like getting nicely calibrated DS-lite screens back in the day was a bit of lottery. But every DSiXL screen I've seen has looked perfect from a color representation standpoint. (Unfortunately, I still think the screens are a bit too big).
So, is the N3DS a lottery or do all the screens look the same? Because it seems like Nintendo is unpredictable in how it cobbles together its DS-line of systems on the manufacturing chain.
NormalFish
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It's a lottery for panel type/calibration.
drhankmccoyphd
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So, I just got my OSSC reserve email and I'm kinda wavering on it. I already bought a framemeister. Anyone want the link?
Looks like the most eager ones on here managed to grab their unit, in the end. Congrats everyone.
Nice! And yeah, can't wait either.
Also, AVGAF, get your OSSC for Dummies ready. I tried to give the Wiki a quick read, and this is how I feel...
davidwhangchoi
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what's this OSSC? is it like XRGB mini... i need to do some research after reading these posts about ordering one =)
Looks like the most eager ones on here managed to grab their unit, in the end. Congrats everyone.
Nice! And yeah, can't wait either.
Also, AVGAF, get your OSSC for Dummies ready. I tried to give the Wiki a quick read, and this is how I feel...
Eating lunch, basically spit my food out when I scrolled down to that image. That's exactly how I felt! A few of us should be getting ours around the same time so we could learn from each other. As In to this stuff as I am, im admittedly stil a novice. Any scaler/RGB problems I've run into so far I've either resorted to:
A) bang my head against the wall until I make a hole.
B) waste more money trying different things until I find that right thing that works.
C) Google for hours until I realize that I'm actually looking at different pages of the same three threads on the shmup forums.
Since it looks like they are going through the list a lot faster than I thought they would, does an OSSC make sense if my TV can't handle the line triple? I'm assuming that's what the post below is saying (Ican't access google docs right now). I'm not interested in getting a new TV right now so not sure if it would be worth it.
Aw man, sorry for your food!
We share alot, and I completely see myself in your 3-points-list.
That said, you're most definitely right. There will be more of us getting started with the OSSC pretty much at the same time, and I'm sure this will also make things easier for those like... Me.
Take a look here, Dave:
https://www.videogameperfection.com/2016/07/08/source-converter-verdict/
and
https://www.videogameperfection.com/products/open-source-converter/
If you scroll down, there are links, reviews etc...
The OSSC - Open Source Scan Converter - is not a proper scaler, and compared to the Framemeister, on top of being noticeably cheaper and uglier looking, offers quite alot of goodness, especially with 240p sources.
I mean, how gorgeous does the Saturn look through this little box?
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I'm not giving up hope just yet. I'm just aware I could pop any day now and will probably descent into a universe devoid from the internet when that happens. Hope the timing works out!Wow o haven't looked at the wiki yet but I know what to expect now xD. Like other are saying we can help each other decipher that wiki and find good settings for our set up. I wouldn't mind providing some tips and working towards a FAQ once I get the OSSC so any new people could learn from our tinkering.Also, AVGAF, get your OSSC for Dummies ready. I tried to give the Wiki a quick read, and this is how I feel...
It's a different type of upscaler that does not have a framebuffer. This means it has far less options but it also has no input lag.
For the most part only upscales to 480p, then your HDTV must scale it from there. But by every account that I've seen, it offers a far better image than the Framemeister and I would gladly trade my FM for an OSSC.
Check out this review for more details:
http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/ossc.html
It also appears to be the best thing to happen for Dreamcast fans who want to play on HDTV's without a VGA port.
davidwhangchoi
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Aw man, sorry for your food!
We share alot, and I completely see myself in your 3-points-list.
That said, you're most definitely right. There will be more of us getting started with the OSSC pretty much at the same time, and I'm sure this will also make things easier for those like... Me.
Take a look here, Dave:
https://www.videogameperfection.com/2016/07/08/source-converter-verdict/
and
https://www.videogameperfection.com/products/open-source-converter/
If you scroll down, there are links, reviews etc...
The OSSC - Open Source Scan Converter - is not a proper scaler, and compared to the Framemeister, on top of being noticeably cheaper and uglier looking, offers quite alot of goodness, especially with 240p sources.
I mean, how gorgeous does the Saturn look through this little box?
Galdelico, Peltz. thanks for the links, i'm reading them while taking a break to eat lunch.
PumpkinSpice
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A couple years ago I had a really bad few days where I just binged on information about analog video signals, how it relates to how a CRT works, trying to figure out what I'd need to make my own line doubler in an FPGA... it was just totally consuming me.
Good thing was coming out the other side with a lot of info on how this all works.
Gonna ask this here too:
A friend of mine claims that turning CRT's or PVM's sideways in tate mode might cause damage because the components inside them can be connected in a way that's not meant to support their weight sideways. I'm not tech savvy enough to comment if it's true or not. Does anyone here know enough about the insides of those monitors to comment?
A friend of mine claims that turning CRT's or PVM's sideways in tate mode might cause damage because the components inside them can be connected in a way that's not meant to support their weight sideways. I'm not tech savvy enough to comment if it's true or not. Does anyone here know enough about the insides of those monitors to comment?
sixteen-bit
Member
one of my PVMs is in permanent tate.
fell kinda bad now
fell kinda bad now
PumpkinSpice
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A PVM might be the best case scenario for tate, assuming you have vents on the side and the roll-cage-frame.
Thanks
Congrats dude, what's going to happen to you is way more exciting than just getting an OSSC.
Fingers crossed, though, you can always keep it aside until you can finally squeeze some gaming out of your free time again.
Dude, that would be awesome, a total blessing.
And of course, very glad to contribute, as limited as my knowledge of such wizardries comes.
cyborgnumberblue
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Flizzzipper
Member
I've been meaning to get to the bottom of this for a while. I have a Genesis 2/Sega CD 2/32x outputting scart. Do I need a special scart cable to output the stereo cd audio? The audio from the scart is kind of distorted, maybe the mono signal. This happens if I run it out of the 32x or the Genesis. Definitely not the same signal I get outputting directly from the sega cd rca. Am I missing something or is it a bad cable.
Congrats dude, what's going to happen to you is way more exciting than just getting an OSSC.
Fingers crossed, though, you can always keep it aside until you can finally squeeze some gaming out of your free time again.
Just got my email
Gonna order when I get home from work!Edit: Actually scratch that, re-read the email and thought I better order ASAP so battled through in mobile. Done! Babby better appreciate retro games
NormalFish
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Just got my email
Edit: Actually scratch that, re-read the email and thought I better order ASAP so battled through in mobile. Done! Babby better appreciate retro games
play chip tunes to him/her. Gotta get that power of suggestion going early.
Peagles, congrats and good luck! As a recent father, I can easily say you're in for the time of your life, OSSC or not.
And get used to putting retro games on hold! The only gaming I've had time for recently is anything that can be put on hold at a moment's notice. Vita, 3DS and PS4 are great for this!
And get used to putting retro games on hold! The only gaming I've had time for recently is anything that can be put on hold at a moment's notice. Vita, 3DS and PS4 are great for this!
Beer Monkey
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I skipped on OSSC, waiting for 1080p solution down the road but I'm really glad that so many others got what they want.
FWIW pro monitors should have no problem with TATE if they have side vents.
FWIW pro monitors should have no problem with TATE if they have side vents.
You holding off too? Yeah, I keep hoping someone else takes a crack at offering a more fully featured device based on the same design.
Beer Monkey
Member
To me the OSSC is the Retro AVS which is great for a lot of people but I want the Analogue NT Mini so I wait. If I have to pay more that's fine too.
Oh, I had gotten the OSSC email yesterday. Almost missed it.
Guess I have to try it out.
Is that possible? The OSSC isn't technically a scaler, and just a line doubler no?
It does 480p (240x2) and 720p (240x3) but 1080 is 4.5x.
But 2160p (240x9)... maybe?
Guess I have to try it out.
Is that possible? The OSSC isn't technically a scaler, and just a line doubler no?
It does 480p (240x2) and 720p (240x3) but 1080 is 4.5x.
But 2160p (240x9)... maybe?
With a framebuffer thrown in and the fact that it's already FPGA based, I think it's possible that it can switch between scaling and line multiplication functions. Heck, the PS3 has an option to either scale on multiply DVD movies.
NormalFish
Banned
there's definitely room for a half way point between the OSSC and the framemeister. Perhaps the XRGB-4 or whatever comes next.
Beer Monkey
Member
Windowbox and cropping options at 1080p. Still integer. Preferable to me.
NormalFish
Banned
afaik, this isn't possible for a framebuffer-less line doubler to do.
Actually, it might be possible but it would take a much more powerful fpga
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