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[Scrawnton]

When legitimate sequels are getting called HD up-ports, you know actual intelligent conversation has gone out the window.

im not excited for the game and even i know its not an HD up-port...

my problem with the reveal of this game is the following: I bought mario at launch, it was a great platformed, then new super luigi u, which is another platformer that involves getting to the end of the level and collecting things. The 3d mario game turned out being a "beat the level and move on" type game and not a vast environmental and atmospheric game like galaxy. Basically its a 2d platformer with a 3d view... Then we get donkey kong, a straight up 2d platformer... Nintendo has nothing to offer me that is not a 2d platformer this holiday. Yes they have pikmin 3 in a month and i am very excited for that, but I do not want to spend my holiday playing standard platformers, despite how good they are.

 

[Jintor]

Frankly, I just don't like to play platformers on home consoles. Portables, PC or bust.

 

[Custard Trout]

Varia suit DLC for Donkey Kong?

 

[StreetsAhead]

im not excited for the game and even i know its not an HD up-port...

my problem with the reveal of this game is the following: I bought mario at launch, it was a great platformed, then new super luigi u, which is another platformer that involves getting to the end of the level and collecting things. The 3d mario game turned out being a "beat the level and move on" type game and not a vast environmental and atmospheric game like galaxy. Basically its a 2d platformer with a 3d view... Then we get donkey kong, a straight up 2d platformer... Nintendo has nothing to offer me that is not a 2d platformer this holiday. Yes they have pikmin 3 in a month and i am very excited for that, but I do not want to spend my holiday playing standard platformers, despite how good they are.

It is much easier to make an argument when you define away the things that don't support it.

 

[Roto13]

"Hey, remember that game we wouldn't fucking shut up about when it came out? They're making a sequel! This is the worst news EVER!"

 

[Snowden's Secret]

im not excited for the game and even i know its not an HD up-port...

my problem with the reveal of this game is the following: I bought mario at launch, it was a great platformed, then new super luigi u, which is another platformer that involves getting to the end of the level and collecting things. The 3d mario game turned out being a "beat the level and move on" type game and not a vast environmental and atmospheric game like galaxy. Basically its a 2d platformer with a 3d view... Then we get donkey kong, a straight up 2d platformer... Nintendo has nothing to offer me that is not a 2d platformer this holiday. Yes they have pikmin 3 in a month and i am very excited for that, but I do not want to spend my holiday playing standard platformers, despite how good they are.

Let's reframe this a bit:

Let's say there is some demographic that really enjoys platformers (sales data would seem to corroborate this). What other platform is providing such concentrated greatness (SM3DW, DKC:TF, Rayman Legends, Luigi) this year? And if you don't like platformers, great! Those still exist, in great quantities, on every platform. But if you do, Wii U is the only place to get this many AAA platformers, and if Nintendo weren't making them, you'd be shit out of luck.

 

[Doczu]

So can anyone tell me why Retro got some talent from Naughty Dog and Crytec (if i recall correctly) and other companies? To make Donkey Kong?

 

[kingkaiser]

Maybe they will, just not this year. The market has demanded lots of things from Nintendo. Or maybe you don't understand which games butter their bread. Metroid Prime certainly hasn't.

You may have missed the memo, but the audience who buttered their bread in the past years is long gone and now enjoying simple minded f2p games on their smartphones and tablets. Such crowd will never ever pay more than 10 bucks for some casual game again.

If Nintendo works hard enough though, they may turn the WiiU into a descent selling product, but that would actually require to serve the core-gaming audience, which includes to make a wider range of games than just yearly updates of 2d platformers.

 

[Log4Girlz]

So can anyone tell me why Retro got some talent from Naughty Dog and Crytec (if i recall correctly) and other companies? To make Donkey Kong?

What's the matter? Did you expect something other than Donkey Kong? Those rumors made everyone in the WUST threads swear Retro must be working on a sequel and everyone was happy.

 

[Scrawnton]

Let's reframe this a bit:

Let's say there is some demographic that really enjoys platformers (sales data would seem to corroborate this). What other platform is providing such concentrated greatness (SM3DW, DKC:TF, Rayman Legends, Luigi) this year? And if you don't like platformers, great! Those still exist, in great quantities, on every platform. But if you do, Wii U is the only place to get this many AAA platformers, and if Nintendo weren't making them, you'd be shit out of luck.

or they, i dont know, coudve moved resources around to make another game the big holiday game instead of donkey kong. Maybe give us mario kart earlier (since retro has worked on mario kart before) and STILL have amazing platformers for people who love those games.

Maybe some of us want a little variety. Im happy for those people who want an overload of platformers on the system, but three stellar platformers this holiday (rayman, donkey kong, and mario 3d world) is overkill when theres nothing else at all for wii u gamers.

 

[I'M FINISHED!]

Annual releases of new Donkey Kong Country games? I must have misplaced that memo.

 

[nckillthegrimace]

The general reaction to this game at E3 and beyond must be super depressing to people at Retro.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I don't think Nintendo's failing to get Mario Kart out this winter because of Donkey Kong. They would have delayed the shit out of that game if it meant getting Mario Kart out. Game development isn't Pikmin, simply throwing more people at an object wasn't going to make it better. It probably came down to things they just absolutely couldn't outsource right now, unlike track art assets.

I get the feeling that, when Nintendo says "HD Development is really hard you guys," they mean Mario Kart.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Everybody Forgets Sonic in October

 

[ShockingAlberto]

yearly updates of 2d platformers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donkey_Kong_Country_Returns

Wii

NA November 21, 2010
AUS December 2, 2010

EU December 3, 2010

JP December 9, 2010

I hate to break this to you, but you accidentally time traveled

Look, Obama is going to win the 2012 election, so what you should do when you go back is bet heavily on him. Also Microsoft is going to introduce this crazy DRM thing that is super crazy but don't worry because they'll relent almost immediately.

 

[Chet Rippo]

So can anyone tell me why Retro got some talent from Naughty Dog and Crytec (if i recall correctly) and other companies? To make Donkey Kong?

I heard the art guy who left Naughty Dog say he liked doing more fantastical art than what he was doing at ND. Basically he'd rather be working on Donkey Kong than Uncharted.

 

[I'M FINISHED!]

The general reaction to this game at E3 and beyond must be super depressing to people at Retro.

The only thing Retro should be getting grilled about is the absence of the Kremlins and Animal Buddies.

I am fairly confident that peoples opinions on this game will turn when it is actually released.

 

[jts]

The general reaction to this game at E3 and beyond must be super depressing to people at Retro.

I don't think they mind the general dudebro hater attitude. Nintendo would have closed business by now if that mattered at all.

Although, it is amazing that this thread title is acceptable in Neogaf at all.

 

[nckillthegrimace]

I get the feeling that, when Nintendo says "HD Development is really hard you guys," they mean Mario Kart.

Maybe not. According to this interview they've only been working on it for a year. What the hell were they doing in the six months after the release of MK7?

 

[Scrawnton]

I don't think they mind the general dudebro hater attitude. Nintendo would have closed business by now if that mattered at all.

Although, it is amazing that this thread title is acceptable in Neogaf at all.

the title is perfect if you frequented the threads predicting what nintendo was gonna show at e3 when it was quoted by retro that they WERE NOT working on donkey kong. We all thought worse case scenario was mario kart... the thread title perfectly portrays how the majority of us felt when it was announced.

 

[Snowden's Secret]

or they, i dont know, coudve moved resources around to make another game the big holiday game instead of donkey kong. Maybe give us mario kart earlier (since retro has worked on mario kart before) and STILL have amazing platformers for people who love those games.

Maybe some of us want a little variety. Im happy for those people who want an overload of platformers on the system, but three stellar platformers this holiday (rayman, donkey kong, and mario 3d world) is overkill when theres nothing else at all for wii u gamers.

This is my (retail) Wii U buy list for holiday 2013:

Pikmin 3
Assassin's Creed IV
Watch Dogs
Super Mario 3D World
Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze
Wii Fit U
Batman: Arkham Origins
Sonic Lost World
Call of Duty Ghosts
Wind Waker HD
Rayman Origins
Wonderful 101

That's one strategy game, four open world action/adventure games, four platformers, a sports game, and an FPS and whatever the hell the Wonderful 101 is.

And Wii U is not the only console I own, and I'm pretty sure it's not anybody's only console, so there are even more options outside that.

So again my argument is, if you don't want to play platformers, there are countless ways to do that (including also the Wii U), but if you do want to play platformers, that option wouldn't exist otherwise.

Why isn't Wonderful 101 on your list

Edit: I don't care that it's not holiday, buy it again in November

DAMMIT I knew I was forgetting something, and of course it was one the games I'm most excited to actually play.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Why isn't Wonderful 101 on your list

Edit: I don't care that it's not holiday, buy it again in November

 

[Log4Girlz]

I get the feeling that, when Nintendo says "HD Development is really hard you guys," they mean Mario Kart.

I can imagine. Isn't it slated to be released just before Wii U's fourth E3?

 

[roninjedi]

I think people were expecting a new fps metroid, but when you think about it they started this game before Other M came out and the 3DS Donkey Kong was being prepped .

Also they did not know the Wii U sales would be so low.

It is weird how the press and a lot of people thing Nintendo and developers can pull a game out their ass like some last ditch effort.

Nintendo has some kind of game plan to start developing games years in advance before showing it to the public.

Games do not always get delayed because they feel like it they get delayed because it not done.

But would of loved a Original IP from Retro in a different genre

 

[D.Lo]

A simple 'wrong' would have been fine, but whatever.

 

[marc^o^]

The general reaction to this game at E3 and beyond must be super depressing to people at Retro.

Donkey Kong Country is almost 20 years old, and there's no single day where people don't talk about it with great passion on the internet. These games travel down through the ages like no others, don't they? Retro is working on another timeless classic, that's certainly a more than enough source of motivation.

 

[Effect]

Everybody Forgets Sonic in October

Super Luigi U, Rayman Legends, Sonic Lost World, Super Mario 3D World, DKCR: TF. Then there are the indie games (past and coming) that are seemingly mostly all platformers. Far to many.

The game is coming though. If you don't agree it should have been made and wanted something else then don't buy it. That's pretty much what I'll end up doing. If I get a DKCR fix I still have the Wii game. I'm taking a pass on Rayman and likely Mario 3D World as well unless something about that game blows me way. Nothing has yet and local multiplayer is worthless to me. I didn't buy the Luigi DLC for NSMBU and I'm not going to. In fact I didn't even finish NSMBU as I got bored with it around the cloud and rock worlds. That's how tired of platformers I am. I didn't buy the Wii U for this. I bought it with the expectations that they'd have already played Pikmin 3 and a few other games by now. Not still waiting for them! I really wish I had waited before buying the damn system.

The game in this list I'm likely to buy is Sonic Lost World because that looks like the 3D Mario experience I was looking forward to. Hell it pretty much is Sonic Galaxy at this point. The others will still be there for years to come. If the lack of my sale hurts then so be it. Nintendo should have put out games that appealed to me. It's possible Super Mario 3D World is what I'm looking for but they haven't showed anything that makes me feel that way. So until I do it simply isn't that experience.

This is my line up at this point. Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Splinter Cell (possible), Sonic Lost World, Watch_Dogs, and Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker HD (dependent on price. If it's $60 I'll just dig out my GameCube game for another playthrough.) Batman Origins and Assassin's Creed 4 are likely very early 2014 purchases. Or just AC4.

The general reaction to this game at E3 and beyond must be super depressing to people at Retro.

Possibly but they said it was their choice. They wanted to work on Donkey Kong and nothing else. Their bed and they made it. It's also possible this is simply internet chatter that they ignore.

 

[Scrawnton]

This is my (retail) Wii U buy list for holiday 2013:

Pikmin 3
Assassin's Creed IV
Watch Dogs
Super Mario 3D World
Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze
Wii Fit U
Batman: Arkham Origins
Sonic Lost World
Call of Duty Ghosts
Wind Waker HD
Rayman Origins


That's one strategy game, four open world action/adventure games, four platformers, a sports game, and an FPS.

And Wii U is not the only console I own, and I'm pretty sure it's not anybody's only console, so there are even more options outside that.

So again my argument is, if you don't want to play platformers, there are countless ways to do that (including also the Wii U), but if you do want to play platformers, that option wouldn't exist otherwise.

or if you dont want to play platformers you preorder a fucking ps4. Which is what i did because nintendo left me in the dust this holiday console wise. I spent $700 at the launch of wii u and had a great time, but i do not want to waste my money this holiday on hd versions of the same type of gameplay i had recently (DKCR and M3dLand).

Bravo to the people who love paltformers, but I know, and i bet some other neogaffers share the same sentiment, that nintendo is capable of MUCH MUCH more and they are being extremely lazy this holiday season.

 

[jts]

the title is perfect if you frequented the threads predicting what nintendo was gonna show at e3 when it was quoted by retro that they WERE NOT working on donkey kong. We all thought worse case scenario was mario kart... the thread title perfectly portrays how the majority of us felt when it was announced.

How is this "worse" than Retro developing Mario Kart? We still get Mario Kart and a Donkey Kong Country Returns, a series that got a fucking awesome 1st entry and totally deserves to get a sequel, more so in new HD hardware.

And even the title may reflect the feels of certain niches of players, doesn't mean it's appropriate to let it fly, not much different from port begging etc.

 

[JDSN]

Asking for a certain kind of game= Dudebro hater= Port begging.

You are running wild with this definitions, jts.

 

[Doczu]

the title is perfect if you frequented the threads predicting what nintendo was gonna show at e3 when it was quoted by retro that they WERE NOT working on donkey kong. We all thought worse case scenario was mario kart... the thread title perfectly portrays how the majority of us felt when it was announced.

There was such quote? Could you post it? At work now, can't dig much in the web.

I heard the art guy who left Naughty Dog say he liked doing more fantastical art than what he was doing at ND. Basically he'd rather be working on Donkey Kong than Uncharted.

Ok, but it's just him. With the hype going around about all those talents from other companies going to Retro i hoped for some new IP (and it wasn't just me it seems).

What's the matter? Did you expect something other than Donkey Kong? Those rumors made everyone in the WUST threads swear Retro must be working on a sequel and everyone was happy.

Yeah. It hurts. It's not like i don't like DKC, but after all that secrecy, pulling of from e3 before, no single fact pointing towards Donkey Kong... It hurts.

 

[Brashnir]

im not excited for the game and even i know its not an HD up-port...

my problem with the reveal of this game is the following: I bought mario at launch, it was a great platformed, then new super luigi u, which is another platformer that involves getting to the end of the level and collecting things. The 3d mario game turned out being a "beat the level and move on" type game and not a vast environmental and atmospheric game like galaxy.[ Basically its a 2d platformer with a 3d view... Then we get donkey kong, a straight up 2d platformer... Nintendo has nothing to offer me that is not a 2d platformer this holiday. Yes they have pikmin 3 in a month and i am very excited for that, but I do not want to spend my holiday playing standard platformers, despite how good they are.

You're going to have to explain to me how the Galaxy games aren't "beat the level and move on" games, because from my recollection, that's exactly what they are. The only difference is they have a more convoluted level select screen.

 

[zoukka]

Yeah. It hurts. It's not like i don't like DKC, but after all that secrecy, pulling of from e3 before, no single fact pointing towards Donkey Kong... It hurts.

It only hurts if you have no rational thinking capabilities concerning the game industry. Many people knew it was going to be another DK game, but the hype train does not listen to logic.... Noooo it's gotta be STARTROPICS fucking lol :b

 

[Snowden's Secret]

or if you dont want to play platformers you preorder a fucking ps4. Which is what i did because nintendo left me in the dust this holiday console wise. I spent $700 at the launch of wii u and had a great time, but i do not want to waste my money this holiday on hd versions of the same type of gameplay i had recently (DKCR and M3dLand).

Bravo to the people who love paltformers, but I know, and i bet some other neogaffers share the same sentiment, that nintendo is capable of MUCH MUCH more and they are being extremely lazy this holiday season.

What types of games did you want to see Nintendo make this year, and which PS4 games are a suitable substitute for those?

 

[evilromero]

Let's reframe this a bit:

Let's say there is some demographic that really enjoys platformers (sales data would seem to corroborate this). What other platform is providing such concentrated greatness (SM3DW, DKC:TF, Rayman Legends, Luigi) this year? And if you don't like platformers, great! Those still exist, in great quantities, on every platform. But if you do, Wii U is the only place to get this many AAA platformers, and if Nintendo weren't making them, you'd be shit out of luck.

Some people are failing to realize that Metroid and other Nintendo-made games like it can't be found on other platforms. That's the issue. It's not a CoD or Halo experience. So no, we can't get a Metroid-like experience on another platform. I think that's the point many are trying to make- that Nintendo has failed to deliver variety to a platform in dire need of titles. The first year of the SNES we had this. And my god did we get variety within the first year of the GameCube (Luigi, Rogue Leader, Wave Race, Pikmin and Smash Bros. Melee in the first three weeks!). The first year of the Wii we also had this (Wii Sports, Excite Truck, Wario Ware, Super Paper Mario, Battalion Wars 2, TP, Prime 3, Galaxy) not to mention the Virtual Console titles available from launch (Sim City anyone?). I don't really have a problem with DK in and of itself. I'm just surprised that this is what Nintendo is banking on for the most important fall of the Wii U's life. To me, it smacks of mismanagement and an odd use of resources. We'll see if I'm wrong. I am wondering though, what will be Nintendo's approach to original software for next fall and the year after. They can't again turn to a New SMB game or even another DK game without it looking questionable (I can't imagine what kind of threads we'll get if they do announce sequels to those games so soon).

 

[daakusedo]

"Hey, remember that game we wouldn't fucking shut up about when it came out? They're making a sequel! This is the worst news EVER!"

That's like mario galaxy : "best game ever but drop the concept, next game have to be an open world platformer."
Though with 3dworld you see lot of why it's not galaxy 3 comments popping up.

 

[Log4Girlz]

It only hurts if you have no rational thinking capabilities concerning the game industry. Many people knew it was going to be another DK game, but the hype train does not listen to logic.... Noooo it's gotta be STARTROPICS fucking lol :b

Yeah it was clear to everyone it was DK. Remember the WUST threads, everyone was like "totally DK". And when Retro didn't show anything during that one E3 and it was revealed that their game was pulled last moment? Everyone was like "Damn must be DK, its so awesome they are holding back a huge reveal". Now everyone is glad its DK. There is no better genre than a 2D platformer to show off a shiny new console's abilities.

 

[Doczu]

It only hurts if you have no rational thinking capabilities concerning the game industry. Many people knew it was going to be another DK game, but the hype train does not listen to logic.... Noooo it's gotta be STARTROPICS fucking lol :b

Please, do tell me about those rational, logical signs that were telling us it will be another Donkey Kong Country.

 

[Scrawnton]

You're going to have to explain to me how the Galaxy games aren't "beat the level and move on" games, because from my recollection, that's exactly what they are. The only difference is they have a more convoluted level select screen.

oh i apologize i wasnt clear enough. Galaxy was inventive with new ways to play, created amazing atmosphere, awesome anti-gravity based platforming and a stellar soundtrack. Mind blowing locations and gave you the sense of wonder that no game has before.

Mario 3d world looks like the repetitive gameplay of 3d world this time with hectic four player (not online) that ruined the 2d version of the game. And if 3d Land and NSMB music is an indication, let alone the trailer for this game, the music will be uninspired. I highly doubt I would look at a level in this game and feel like this could not have been done before and that my mind will be blown.

Please give me one reason why Nintendo has shown us that Donkey Kong and Mario 3d World will be a completely unique game experience because lately they have shown that wii u is nothing special in the gameplay department.

Mario 3d World feels uninspired. Galaxy felt inspired. Donkey Kong will be the same game (though fun) that it was on Wii, but Nintendo gave us innovation with the wii and now they are HDing that innovation on wii u.

 

[kingkaiser]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donkey_Kong_Country_Returns



I hate to break this to you, but you accidentally time traveled.

Nah, this smells very much like 2013 for me

 

[chadboban]

I sort of have a feeling that this will be one of those Nintendo games where I'm not really blown away or impressed right now. Then closer to release some crazy gameplay and level design is shown off that gets me incredibly hyped for the game.

That's sort of what's happening with me and Pikmin 3 right now, it was looking great but not really a DAY 1 purchase in my eyes. Then I saw this video they released a couple of days ago and I'm now incredibly hyped for it. THIS was the Pikmin sequel I was looking for. If Nintendo drops Wii U's price by about $50 by the time Pikmin 3 releases and my finances are in order, I'll be very likely to pick up a Wii U sooner rather than later.

I hope something similar happens with this game where Nintendo shows off some footage that makes me go, "Yeah, I'm fucking hyped for this now".

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Nah, this smells very much like 2013 for me

I WAS HOPING YOU WOULD MAKE THIS ARGUMENT

Anyone who argues with me about this not getting cartoonish and ridiculous really needs to pay more attention!

 

[Snowden's Secret]

Nah, this smells very much like 2013 for me

kingkaiser in 2014 when Zelda U is revealed:

"Nintendo with their annual refreshes to adventure games!" [links a picture of Wind Waker HD]

 

[Out of Working Order]

It only hurts if you have no rational thinking capabilities concerning the game industry. Many people knew it was going to be another DK game, but the hype train does not listen to logic.... Noooo it's gotta be STARTROPICS fucking lol :b

StarTropics was pulled out of absolutely nowhere - I have no idea why people kept bringing that up.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

StarTropics was pulled out of absolutely nowhere - I have no idea why people kept bringing that up.

A combination of some people's hopes and everyone (EVERYONE) repeating Paul Gale's wholesale made-up lies.

 

[kingkaiser]

kingkaiser in 2014 when Zelda U is revealed:

Haha, let's be reasonable though, I would not expect anything about this before 2015, earliest.

And yeah, I have yet to see an uninspired, bland and lazy Zelda Sequel in the vein of Tropical Freeze...

 

[evilromero]

Yeah it was clear to everyone it was DK. Remember the WUST threads, everyone was like "totally DK". And when Retro didn't show anything during that one E3 and it was revealed that their game was pulled last moment? Everyone was like "Damn must be DK, its so awesome they are holding back a huge reveal". Now everyone is glad its DK. There is no better genre than a 2D platformer to show off a shiny new console's abilities.

lol. This. NOBODY saw DK coming. I think we considered it a distant possibility, but with the three year development timeframe I think I speak for many if not most when I say we expected something jaw-dropping epic.

 

[ElectricKaibutsu]

lol. This. NOBODY saw DK coming. I think we considered it a distant possibility, but with the three year development timeframe I think I speak for many if not most when I say we expected something jaw-dropping epic.

I'm still super surprised it's DK.

 

[Snowden's Secret]

lol. This. NOBODY saw DK coming. I think we considered it a distant possibility, but with the three year development timeframe I think I speak for many if not most when I say we expected something jaw-dropping epic.

I always assumed that Retro would make three DKC games before "moving on."

-DKC Returns is incredible
-Well reviewed
-Sold very well
-Outsold every other Retro effort combined (IIRC)
-DKCR was enthusiastically embraced when announced (basically the opposite of Tropical Freeze)

All signs pointed to a Donkey Kong follow up. Are people going to be surprised when the third Retro DK is announced?

 

[Coolwhip]

I always assumed that Retro would make three DKC games before "moving on."

-DKC Returns is incredible
-Well reviewed
-Sold very well
-Outsold every other Retro effort combined (IIRC)
-DKCR was enthusiastically embraced when announced (basically the opposite of Tropical Freeze)

All signs pointed to a Donkey Kong follow up. Are people going to be surprised when the third Retro DK is announced?

Hope.

Using rational thought most people could probably have predicted the lackluster E3 2011 showing from Nintendo. But we all hope for something better.