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Returnal Review Thread (PS5)

skit_data

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I don’t think looks bad by any means, except her nose looks really strange in this photo and i haven’t noticed before
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Edit: Actually, her nose looks off in all photos and I have never noticed it before. Guess I’m not much of a nose guy
 
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engstra

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They warn you at the start there's no save bro. This guy is actually a moron.
But he highlights why this is an issue that could be fixed. What would a pick up from where you left off save feature detract from the experience? If someone chooses to exploit such a feature, that's just them ruining the game for themselves. Personally I'd like to be able to drop out of the game if I just beat a biome to either play something else or shut my console off. Not a deal breaker to not have that kind of save feature, but definitely a valid criticism of the game.
 
Oh man for 1080p gaming (and even 1440p in some games), the 980ti is still a beast. I skipped the 2000 series cards because of that.
I had a STRIX 980ti back in the day it was very capable card after that I had the 1080ti for awhile it seemed leagues above the 980ti at the time I had it and now I have a 2070 super I couldn't imagine getting 60fps in many of today's demanding games with the 980ti these days .
 

NickFire

Member
I am 50/50 right now. Reviews look great, and I want to play it. I'm a bit concerned by the lack of save mechanics though, which is my only concern.
 

Stuart360

Member
I had a STRIX 980ti back in the day it was very capable card after that I had the 1080ti for awhile it seemed leagues above the 980ti at the time I had it and now I have a 2070 super I couldn't imagine getting 60fps in many of today's demanding games with the 980ti these days .
At 1080p?, Cyberpunk is literally the only game i cant run at 60fps. Evey other game, includoing the 'next gen' games so far have been a breeze at 1080p/60.
 

iHaunter

Member
But he highlights why this is an issue that could be fixed. What would a pick up from where you left off save feature detract from the experience? If someone chooses to exploit such a feature, that's just them ruining the game for themselves. Personally I'd like to be able to drop out of the game if I just beat a biome to either play something else or shut my console off. Not a deal breaker to not have that kind of save feature, but definitely a valid criticism of the game.
Agree to disagree. If you switch a game, you should expect a Rougelike or lite to reset. Most of them do, it's not new to this game. It's not a criticism, it's a preference. There's a major difference.

We'll just never agree on this subject I suppose, that's fine. People can have different preferences.
 

GymWolf

Member
Jokes about the main character aside, she does seem out of place based on what the gameplay looks like to me. After watching some gameplay this game kind of reminds me of Japanese action games. There's a lot of dashing, dodging projectiles and fast-paced shooting which differs from what I see in the usual slower and plodding third-person shooter games. If all I saw was the gameplay, I would assume an anime-like or otherwise Japanese-designed character was in the suit.

It does look like there's an opportunity for skillful and stylish gameplay, which I associate more with Japanese games.
Tbf she has a jetpack, none of the fast movements are directly made by her body, both jumps and lateral strife are fast because of that.

Maybe the part where an astronaut know about weapons and shooting stuff is a bit of a stretch but no more than 50 pounds ellie overpowering big men with an asian penis sized knife.
 

thewire

Member
Is it gonna be another Sekiro like reviews journalists drama like "MUH TOO DIFFICULT MUH" again???

This aspect actually make more excited about the game actually, i hope Housemarque won't add easy mode for those stoners. If you want EZ shooters games go play gears of war or whatever. Let Returnal be what it is. That's the game House wanted to make and that's it.

This actually confirmed more that this Jeff is a pure Fraud.
He gave seriko a 9/10 too, so you do the math
 
Wait, people were expecting save files? Why? Haven't we known this was going to be a roguelike for months and months?

I feel like a lot of folks play games because they want to fill out a checklist and "accomplish something" rather than just play. Unless they are constantly upgrading their guy they act like the simple act of playing is a waste of time.

This prob not the game for you.
Pretty sure hades saves between runs. Steal from the best to beat the rest. I imagine they WILL be a post release patch with better saving.
 

drotahorror

Member
At 1080p?, Cyberpunk is literally the only game i cant run at 60fps. Evey other game, includoing the 'next gen' games so far have been a breeze at 1080p/60.

Cyberpunk ran like shit (well, not a consistent 60fps) on my gtx 1080 @ 1080p as well.

My 1080 is fine for now, I do have a 144hz monitor and I definitely can't hit that target with most games anymore.
 

Allforce

Member
This looks absolutely fantastic but I'm getting vibes of a "25% OFF" sale in about 3-4 weeks so I'm cool with waiting.

Weird what an impact a simple $10 dollar price hike makes on my impulse buy sensibilities. I just can't do it even if I can absolutely afford it.
 

kungfuian

Member
Taking the Jeff Grubb review into consideration, it's surprising Metacritic and Opencritic don't have some type of system in place to disqualify or significantly reduce the weight of outlier scores. I'm all for someone like Jeff having his opinion (presuming it's an honest one), but the idea that that one opinion will significantly drag down the entire metacritic score is non-sense.

The potential for someone like Jeff, who appears to have some biases, to bomb a meta score, or the potential for biased or bought out reviewers in general, is a real problem when so much is at stake for the developers.

Metacritic and Open Critic, and reviews in general, have so much influence these days. We literally just heard during the Jaff Days Gone Interviews how much value Sony places on them, and we know they can be tied to dev bonuses, potential sales, etc. Honest or not, scores like Jeff's are not reflective of the experience of most reviewers and should therefore be weighted less imo.

And yes I think this should go both ways. For example a solitary 10 when everyone else is scoring a game in the 6-7's should also be given less weight too.
 
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Stuart360

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Cyberpunk ran like shit (well, not a consistent 60fps) on my gtx 1080 @ 1080p as well.

My 1080 is fine for now, I do have a 144hz monitor and I definitely can't hit that target with most games anymore.
There were parts of Cyberpunk that would hit 60fps, including most of the indoor sections, but driving through the city would usually fall in the 40-50fps range. Even turning everything to the lowest settings, it would still drop when driving.
In the end i locked to 30fps, turned everything to max, and played like that lol.
 

GymWolf

Member
Agree to disagree. If you switch a game, you should expect a Rougelike or lite to reset. Most of them do, it's not new to this game. It's not a criticism, it's a preference. There's a major difference.

We'll just never agree on this subject I suppose, that's fine. People can have different preferences.
A good number of modern roguelite games permit save and quit and majority of them need less than an hour to complete a run, very different when a run can endure 2 to 4 hours.

I have around 3-4 hours to play games but majority of people doesn't have that and rest mode is still far from perfect on ps5, not reliable enough.

A reviewer had 3 crush (one after a 4 hour run) after using rest mode, so yeah.
 

drotahorror

Member
Agree to disagree. If you switch a game, you should expect a Rougelike or lite to reset. Most of them do, it's not new to this game. It's not a criticism, it's a preference. There's a major difference.

We'll just never agree on this subject I suppose, that's fine. People can have different preferences.

I don't care about the saves one way or another (yet atleast, I haven't played the game), but it's a design decision, not a preference to the genre imo. Hades saves in every room, Risk of Rain 2 saves at the start of a new zone (similar to biomes I guess in Returnal).
 
At 1080p?, Cyberpunk is literally the only game i cant run at 60fps. Evey other game, includoing the 'next gen' games so far have been a breeze at 1080p/60.
I mean if you can you can it's not like I've searched for recent game benches on the 980ti but would've thought too many sacrifices would've have to be made even at 1080 stable 60 on a 980ti these days playing recent AAA ... But as I said it was decent card I liked mine
 

Fess

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In Sweden:

PS Store: 849 SEK (€84 / $101)
Physical: 699 SEK (€67 / $83)

And that's why I bought a PS5 with disc drive (plus I can sell or lend my games). Sony can fuck off with these ridiculous digital prices. A digital copy of a game has a lower intrinsic value than a physical copy, and costs less to produce, so it should be cheaper. Until that happens I'm gonna keep resisting the digital revolution.

I can deal with the minimal hassle of switching discs.
Holy crap I didn’t realize games were that expensive here, that’s almost like NeoGeo titles back in the days!
 

Stuart360

Member
I mean if you can you can it's not like I've searched for recent game benches on the 980ti but would've thought too many sacrifices would've have to be made even at 1080 stable 60 on a 980ti these days playing recent AAA ... But as I said it was decent card I liked mine
Well you have to remember that most games, even now, are still made with the XB1 and PS4 in mind. Thats why a good PC card still last years, if you are happy with 1080p.
 

RoadHazard

Gold Member
Holy crap I didn’t realize games were that expensive here, that’s almost like NeoGeo titles back in the days!

Yep, 849 is the new standard PS Store price for a full size PS5 game. It's disgusting.

Physical games also got more expensive, but you can still find them at more decent prices if you just look around for 5 minutes. With a digital console you're stuck with what Sony thinks you should pay.
 
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Ogbert

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Taking the Jeff Grubb review into consideration, it's surprising Metacritic and Opencritic don't have some type of system in place to disqualify or significantly reduce the weight of outlier scores. I'm all for someone like Jeff having his opinion (presuming it's an honest one), but the idea that that one opinion will significantly drag down the entire metacritic score is non-sense.

The potential for someone like Jeff, who appears to have some biases, to bomb a meta score, or the potential for biased or bought out reviewers in general, is a real problem when so much is at stake for the developers.

Metacritic and Open Critic, and reviews in general, have so much influence these days. We literally just heard during the Jaff Days Gone Interviews how much value Sony places on them, and we know they can be tied to dev bonuses, potential sales, etc. Honest or not, scores like Jeff's are not reflective of the experience of most reviewers and should therefore be weighted less imo.

And yes I think this should go both ways. For example a solitary 10 when everyone else is scoring a game in the 6-7's should also be given less weight too.
Agree completely.

The problem is, way too many games get overrated anyway. Far too many 10s are thrown around, so I have no problem with an outlier. Still, when it’s blatant trolling, it’s annoying.

Anyway, Housemarque confirming what we all knew - by far the most talented Sony studio.
 
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