BronsonLee
Member
Holy shit I just realized the reason Rocky has that bad eye in Rocky II is because that's the eye he had them cut at the end of Rocky I
Tkbldlkvkfldck
Tkbldlkvkfldck
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Reviews for Creed (Michael B. Jordan, Stallone, dir. Ryan Coogler)
- Thread starter inm8num2
- Start date
- Status
BronsonLee
Member
What's the issue?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
The first tweet makes a statement; the second poses a question - one that is likely rhetorical considering the first tweet and conclusion they arrive upon in the video (which I assume you could find in the official review):
It's clickbait. Not necessarily contradictory or all that funny, but whatever floats your boat.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It's a joke, Frog. The juxtaposition of two seemingly opposing sentiments within less than a day sans context.
Yeah, I got that from your second post. I was under the impression you were pointing out a contradiction.
Um...why would BronsonLee kill himself? He liked the movie I thought.
His work on this planet is done. He will be reincarnated in Dimension X to promote Krang in the new Michael Bay blockbuster. Stay tuned!
I love both, but I can see what you mean.
In a bottle, you can like Rocky II and Ghostbusters 2. More could have been done, but neither are ultimately bad movies to me. Rocky II is funny in that it's kind of necessary for the likes of III to happen- you need that specific relationship with Rocky & Apollo to emerge by the end of II.
Oh, I love this guy. I think Bobby actually exposed me to this guy's piece on Superman Returns a few years back.
Looking at my avatar, this post, and this thread... I'm laughing at myself a bit.
I normally refer to GB2 as the blueprint of comedy sequels. It's pretty much pound for pound the same movie, and what new films normally do. The caveat is there are some solid scenes following the progression of the Ghostbusters. Notably courthouse.
Rocky 2 didn't need to happen. It's like some producer asshole said, "now he has to win!"
Like GB2, it has moments of him being a lovable mentally handicapped type individual. The "smeel like a man" and scenes with Adrian are great. Just the end game is kind of pointless.
Rocky is best when he is honest and dumb. He is a relatable blue collar icon with a heart of gold. That is why Balboa was so spot on. It brought you back where you wanted to be with the character at that point.
I wonder what else you could've done with Rocky II other than the rematch. I know Sly said he considered taking Balboa out of the ring and having him stick to blue collar pursuits, but I feel that if you had to make a follow up to the original film you sort of had to do the rematch & win angle.
The texture is all there, though, and the cast returned in top form. The weakest part of Rocky II for me has to be the montage where the entire city seems to want him to win. It felt like a cartoon erupting out of nowhere, whereas Rocky IV was at least a cartoon from frame 1.
I think that my personal ranking of the Rocky movies has changed this month (having rewatched a lot of the movies and talked about them so much on GAF today). I think II and IV are kind of neck and neck quality wise but for different reasons- they're weaker attempts at the kind of films Rocky I and III are, to me.
PhantomZone
Member
My tastes are different, my ranking of the series would be:
IV (first Rocky movie I ever watched it might not be the quint essential version of the character, but I still see it as an epic movie just the same as I did when I was little).
I
VI / Balboa
II
V
III
III Had Thunderlips and Mr T and yes it lead to the awesomeness that is Rocky IV.... I just couldn't stand it.
I actually enjoy V for what it is, yes Rocky Balboa told a similar Rocky story in a much better way, but V was still good in taking Rocky back to his roots - coming full circle to the Rocky he was in the original in a way.
IV (first Rocky movie I ever watched it might not be the quint essential version of the character, but I still see it as an epic movie just the same as I did when I was little).
I
VI / Balboa
II
V
III
III Had Thunderlips and Mr T and yes it lead to the awesomeness that is Rocky IV.... I just couldn't stand it.
I actually enjoy V for what it is, yes Rocky Balboa told a similar Rocky story in a much better way, but V was still good in taking Rocky back to his roots - coming full circle to the Rocky he was in the original in a way.
The Rocky I final fight is the GOAT. I get chills every single time with "what is keeping him up, Phil?" "I don't know" and then Creed knocking him down and finally the look of complete and utter disbelief on Creed's face when Rocky gets back up. Combine all that with Conti's immaculate score and you've got a cinematic moment that never fails to evoke strong emotions in me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSK-Iv3gh9I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSK-Iv3gh9I
Put 2 in between Balboa and 3 and then that's exactly my ranking of the series.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
It happened one spooky Halloween morning. We watched so E silly horror films, then the group pulled that on me. Called me a prude for not wanting to be into the viewing.
TheKaeptain
Banned
1=4>Balboa>2>3>5
He defeats Communision and the "superior white man" in 4. So I understand why a place full of white liberals like GAF hates it.
It also has the most 80's soundtrack.
He defeats Communision and the "superior white man" in 4. So I understand why a place full of white liberals like GAF hates it.
It also has the most 80's soundtrack.
BronsonLee
Member
Unlike Apollo Creed, I will never die.
mariachi507
Member
Absolutely, then Adrian comes out and I start crying.
Edit: 15 minutes until the shit starts. I'm ready.
MisterHero
Super Member
Balboa was a tiny bit flat for me. I wanted to see him get his license and do random matches like at the start of Rocky 1. After a lifetime of winning and losing, Rocky ends up fighting forever.
Instead we get a handful of speeches to Rocky Jr., Marie, the licensing committee, etc. He stands around and talks a lot. Then after 16+ years in retirement, Rocky only needs a training montage to get into shape.
Rocky should've been getting into fights and stuggling with the "stuff in the basement" rather than crying about it to Paulie.
I dunno it was just too formulaic for a sequel nearly 2 decades later
Instead we get a handful of speeches to Rocky Jr., Marie, the licensing committee, etc. He stands around and talks a lot. Then after 16+ years in retirement, Rocky only needs a training montage to get into shape.
Rocky should've been getting into fights and stuggling with the "stuff in the basement" rather than crying about it to Paulie.
I dunno it was just too formulaic for a sequel nearly 2 decades later
What more does he need?
MisterHero
Super Member
I said it would've been nice to see him in some local fights. I guess that wouldn't leave time for him to run his restaurant though.
It was nice seeing Tony/Duke/Apollo's trainer though
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Yeah, the melody of "The Final Bell" is some kind of miracle of music. It's just damn near pure emotion. Moreso than the Fanfare, or Gonna Fly Now, that melody is what kills me in every Rocky movie.
1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > 5 > Balboa
I never understood what was so different about 5 and Balboa. I didn't like 5 when it came out because I didn't want to see Rocky be mopey and depressed for most of the movie. After everything he's been through and fought for, that's how he ends up? I don't want to see him like that. Until the fight at the end, it was a downer of a movie. I didn't enjoy it and I feel the same way about Balboa.
Some may be thinking that you could say the same thing about the others, but no, there was an strong undercurrent of hope throughout those. You had the feeling that if he just started believing in himself and had enough heart or he found the eye of the tiger, everything would turn out fine. Even when he was a poor bum in the beginning of the first Rocky, he was not constantly miserable.There was a sweet relationship between him and Adrian in the beginning of the first Rocky. They were already making out in his apartment before he was asked about a fight with Apollo.
I never understood what was so different about 5 and Balboa. I didn't like 5 when it came out because I didn't want to see Rocky be mopey and depressed for most of the movie. After everything he's been through and fought for, that's how he ends up? I don't want to see him like that. Until the fight at the end, it was a downer of a movie. I didn't enjoy it and I feel the same way about Balboa.
Some may be thinking that you could say the same thing about the others, but no, there was an strong undercurrent of hope throughout those. You had the feeling that if he just started believing in himself and had enough heart or he found the eye of the tiger, everything would turn out fine. Even when he was a poor bum in the beginning of the first Rocky, he was not constantly miserable.There was a sweet relationship between him and Adrian in the beginning of the first Rocky. They were already making out in his apartment before he was asked about a fight with Apollo.
BronsonLee
Member
Discotheque
Banned
What about his son? They got close in the last one, if he ditches rocky while he's sick that's weak of him
Though I understand if he's absent in creed, they want to build up a father/son bond between Adonis and rocky I imagine
If you know about Stallone's personal life, there is an absolutely heart breaking scene in the film.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
So it's good? Cool.
spazchicken
Member
Wow...Rocky has turned into Mickey now.
End of an era.
I think I'm watching all the Rocky movies this week.
Discotheque
Banned
BronsonLee
Member
And hopefully the beginning of a new one.
illmatic22
Banned
Best movie I saw this year. I'm gonna see it again this weekend. #andnew
BronsonLee
Member
I'm watching the Balboa deleted scenes and holy shit the scene with the bartender from Rocky I
They should've used that scene to introduce Marie!
They should've used that scene to introduce Marie!
That video review kind of nails some of the exact things in my mind leaving the cinema.
Stallone absolutely steals this film with his performance. Coogler doesn't play favorites here in shifting the narrative to only Creed. He flawlessly blends the existing universe while bringing in the new audience without alienating or making the experience cheap.
Stallone absolutely steals this film with his performance. Coogler doesn't play favorites here in shifting the narrative to only Creed. He flawlessly blends the existing universe while bringing in the new audience without alienating or making the experience cheap.
spazchicken
Member
With the reviews and praise this movie is getting, there's no doubt in my mind that it will be.
They had a sneak preview at my job (I missed it) but everyone was going crazy over it the next day at work.
- Status