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Rob Ford: Still smoking crack. On video. Taking leave of absence.

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dubq

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i just dont like the media using this as a compounding factor.

im more interested in the legal side of the circus. i dont care if public officials speak candidly, use vulgar words, be specific when referencing allegations.

realistically, i dont think people actually care about the use of the word, but due to the media, and a small amount of sensitive people, its just what's come to annoy me.

pussy, cock, ass, who cares.

Public official. Live on the air TV. Again, this city's Representative to the World. Using vulgar language without any thought process behind it. Certainly not the same as crime and crack but STILL NOT OKAY. If you think it's not a big deal that an elected official conducts himself in this manner then I have no idea what else to say to you.
 

Preemo

Banned
I love the total assumption of charity towards Ford's conduct but the coy unawareness towards the rest of human civilization as to why they're offput by him.

majority of electorate use "vulgar words", dont utilize politically correct language. i will concede that using the word in the workplace as an elected official will ruffle some feathers, i just dont believe the "outrage" that you or others may feel as being genuine but rather circumstantial/opportunistic. please see council woman's Janet Davis response in the hall as to the type of response that i find disingenuous.

if referencing allegations of illegal conduct committed by the mayor, im not defending him on those issues.
 

Roto13

Member
"Why does he have to act like a professional? He's not a professional at home!" is like Willectro levels of ridiculous.
 
"Why does he have to act like a professional? He's not a professional at home!" is like Willectro levels of ridiculous.

The reality distortion field Rob Ford has around him is approaching Steve Jobs levels, except evil. Just, stop defending this clown over anything.
 

shadowkat

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majority of electorate use "vulgar words", dont utilize politically correct language. i will concede that using the word in the workplace as an elected official will ruffle some feathers, i just dont believe the "outrage" that you or others may feel as being genuine but rather circumstantial/opportunistic. please see council woman's Janet Davis response in the hall as to the type of response that i find disingenuous.

if referencing allegations of illegal conduct committed by the mayor, im not defending him on those issues.

I don't think most of us are 'outraged' as you put it.

Taken by itself, the comment would still raise eyebrows. But when you consider everything else that has gone on recently it just adds fuel to the fire. The fact that he would say it even after all the other crap shows how oblivious he is.
 

Sapiens

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Premier Wynne is going to do a press thing about Rob Ford at 2:30

Expect nothing

It will all be double-speak for "Our position as governing party is precarious. My popularity as a leader was not tested during an election. This is a hollow statement meant to appease people who would vote Liberal anyway.
 

yyzjohn

Banned
Premier Wynne is going to do a press thing about Rob Ford at 2:30

Expect nothing

They really should move to oust him somehow. The council is not getting any work done in Canada's largest city, this isn't acceptable and it's all the Ford brothers fault.
 

Kave_Man

come in my shame circle
I have to share this post a friend put up on Facebook about this. This is their belief on the whole situation:

And now everyone is mad at Rob Ford for saying:

"It says that I wanted to eat her p----, Olivia Gondek. I’ve never said that in my life to her, I would never do that. I’m happily married. I’ve got more than enough to eat at home.”

Reporters were "stunned", apparently, because this sort of indirect remark is considered "completely unacceptable". Right... because it's not like THE REPORTERS are the ones who brought it up in the first place. And GOD FORBID anyone allude to going down on their wife of 13 years! All you women should be ASHAMED of your vaginas and your sexual needs! And **gasp** , think of the children! Think of the sweet little minds who may've been able to interpret what he meant by that comment! And never mind the fact that we can't shut up with the constant references to drug abuse and crack, because that won't affect them at all.

Seriously, the guy has already dug his own grave and there's plenty of legitimate gripes to go after. Do you folks in the media really need to reach for this one too?
 

diaspora

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They really should move to oust him somehow. The council is not getting any work done in Canada's largest city, this isn't acceptable and it's all the Ford brothers fault.

Move to oust a hard-right mayor with a hard-right provincial opposition and a lunatic 3rd party on their ass? I doubt it.
 

Divvy

Canadians burned my passport
Move to oust a hard-right mayor with a hard-right provincial opposition and a lunatic 3rd party on their ass? I doubt it.

The thing is, outside of Toronto, the majority of the conservatives in the province aren't completely fiscally conservative. They're socially focused as well and they certainly would frown upon Ford's behaviour.

Also, can't she avoid having to remove him herself by just giving emergency powers to city council?
 
The thing is, outside of Toronto, the majority of the conservatives in the province aren't completely fiscally conservative. They're socially focused as well and they certainly would frown upon Ford's behaviour.

Also, can't she avoid having to remove him herself by just giving emergency powers to city council?

Yeah but then there are Liberal card carrying mayors like Fontana and McCallion that have actually been tried in court and found guilty, yet they are still mayors. Heck the London mayor is being investigated again for holding council meetings outside city hall with private interests attending.

If the Liberals actually had a consistent record of holding municipal governments to account and didn't have their own share of criminal activity (deletion of gas plant emails, ORNGE scandal) this dark comedy would have ended a long time ago.
 

Nether!

Member
This whole thing is too much.
I understand the city is paralyzed right now, but I hope it keeps up - too weird and entertaining.
 

diaspora

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The thing is, outside of Toronto, the majority of the conservatives in the province aren't completely fiscally conservative. They're socially focused as well and they certainly would frown upon Ford's behaviour.

Also, can't she avoid having to remove him herself by just giving emergency powers to city council?

They socially focused as well, but between Ford and his potential replacements in the next election, they'll take Ford.
 

Divvy

Canadians burned my passport
They socially focused as well, but between Ford and his potential replacements in the next election, they'll take Ford.

Then why should she care about their votes? They were never going to vote for her. If anything, it would sway some of the NDP voters in the GTA in her favour.
 

thelatestmodel

Junior, please.
This is so fucking embarrassing for Toronto and for Canada.

At this point they should be thinking about having security drag him from City Hall to save face, not just letting him carry on.
 

diaspora

Member
Then why should she care about their votes? They were never going to vote for her. If anything, it would sway some of the NDP voters in the GTA in her favour.

The NDP doesn't matter.

Look, ultimately, even with Wynne having the power to oust Ford, I'm 100% against her actually using it. The city- not just the suburban areas wannabe downtowners want to villify, the city chose Ford as its mayor. And honestly? Short of him causing bodily harm to someone, I want Toronto to have to live with it.
 

whitehawk

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while its important to note that it doesnt seem like he was prompted to acknowledge this particular allegation.

there is no correlation/similarity between someone saying "Oh ya, I suck lots of cock at home" randomly or a public official speaking candidly combating allegations that he feels are false.

i guess whats bothering me is the perception of him using the word pussy is unacceptable, or how the word became defined as a lewd or vulgar word when the majority of young female adults and i would wager most women refer to their own genitalia as a pussy when speaking candidly with friends.
it's not offensive or unacceptable, just unprofessional. and funny.
 
Can someone explain this GIF to me? What is going on here?

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Divvy

Canadians burned my passport
The NDP doesn't matter.

Look, ultimately, even with Wynne having the power to oust Ford, I'm 100% against her actually using it. The city- not just the suburban areas wannabe downtowners want to villify, the city chose Ford as its mayor. And honestly? Short of him causing bodily harm to someone, I want Toronto to have to live with it.

Well speaking of which, apparently his security detail shoved and may have punched a reporter at his briefing earlier.

Vine video of shoving

Media might press charges
 

Stet

Banned
The NDP doesn't matter.

Look, ultimately, even with Wynne having the power to oust Ford, I'm 100% against her actually using it. The city- not just the suburban areas wannabe downtowners want to villify, the city chose Ford as its mayor. And honestly? Short of him causing bodily harm to someone, I want Toronto to have to live with it.

That's a little vindictive. I don't want Wynne to remove him personally, but it's a very real problem that Toronto has no process for recall elections. This should be in place before anything else, and she has the ability to set that in motion.

If we, as a city, find that the person we, as a city, elected is not delivering what we, as a city, expected, we, as a city, should have the opportunity to remove that person from elected office.
 

diaspora

Member
Well speaking of which, apparently his security detail shoved and may have punched a reporter at his briefing earlier.

Media might press charges

And they should.

That's a little vindictive. I don't want Wynne to remove him personally, but it's a very real problem that Toronto has no process for recall elections. This should be in place before anything else, and she has the ability to set that in motion.

If we, as a city, find that the person we, as a city, elected is not delivering what we, as a city, expected, we, as a city, should have the opportunity to remove that person from elected office.

I agree that it's a decision the city makes, and that giving the city the ability to hold recall elections would be a good step forward. I just don't want her or the provincial government ousting mayors.
 

Opiate

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They socially focused as well, but between Ford and his potential replacements in the next election, they'll take Ford.

I'm not sure if this is as true in Canada as it is in the US, but "values voters" are often far less concerned with a person's actual actions than they are with the general sense of belonging.

This is a deeply subconscious, essentially tribal response: it is the sense that someone is part of your group, regardless of their actual actions. Once some people have decided you are "their kind of people," they will defend your actions aggressively in virtually all cases. It's very much like family in this regard, to a slightly lesser extreme; a daughter's accidental pregnancy is a slip up from a generally good girl, while other 17 year old girls who get pregnant are irresponsible and stupid.

Everyone suffers from this to some extent, but some more than others.
 

Divvy

Canadians burned my passport
I agree that it's a decision the city makes, and that giving the city the ability to hold recall elections would be a good step forward. I just don't want her or the provincial government ousting mayors.

Yeah, that seems like the best option to me. At the very least, she should give council the ability to limit the mayor's power or budget.
 

diaspora

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So basically she'll act if a majority of council agree to ask her to implement a course of action rather than doing it unilaterally.
 

I wathced it on TV and this isn't exactly what she said. She said if City Hall fails to function and demonstrates that it fails to function, and it asks for the province's help, she will sit down with Hudak and Horwath to find out if they can all agree to oust Ford.

A lot of preconditions.
 

Divvy

Canadians burned my passport
So basically she'll act if a majority of council agree to ask her to implement a course of action rather than doing it unilaterally.

It would be nice if she did this before yesterday, when you know, they asked for this.
 

Zips

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This farce has gone on for far too long at this point. The city will be paralyzed until this oaf is out of office.

I'm not exactly sure what Ford thinks he's accomplishing by refusing to resign. Aside from sucking up taxpayer money for a job he's at best marginally doing. I imagine the continual circus has disrupted even his regular in-by-noon, leave early work ethic.
 
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