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it's called a "beak".

 

[FunkyPajamas]

That's it. Let it all out. It's like a dam bursting.

Pack it up guys, we found him. We found the marketing guy that closed the GameSpot Kane & Lynch deal.

 

[killroy87]

Probably worth mentioning the founder of RT seems to have a lot of respect for Gerstmann, and they've been on each other's panels. This looks like an uninformed cosplayer said something dumb, and the other guys went with it.

Even the RT community savaged them over it. Here's Ryan's response in their subreddit where he doubles-down (check the downvotes)

Jesus. if you're going to respond to the issue after the fact, do so in a more intelligent manner than this. It really doesn't make him, or any of them, look any better.

 

[Dari Elxix]

I'm not familiar with the specific review in question and I have no idea if the Rooster Teeth comments were off base in this circumstance, but I'm glad to read that someone is publicly taking Gerstmann to task in some form. The guy is a stick-in-the-mud blight on games media that's treated like a messiah for giving one shit game a mediocre review a decade ago. He has zero enthusiasm and only cynicism for gaming -- and it shows in both his writing as well as his podcast. He should just switch over to writing about wrestling or something that he actually enjoys.

Really?

 

[Fuchsdh]

This is true. In a lot of Review Threads, when a negative one comes along, a majority of threads seem to say "everyone else is giving it good reviews so this guy must be wrong." I've even seen bad reviews called clickbait by users in those topics.

To be fair, they're absolutely right that some publications will come up with deflated scores in an attempt to boost their signal, because if there's something that's a constant in this universe it's fanboys upset about review scores that that drives the clicks.

That seems like a pretty weak argument to throw at an established reviewer like Gerstmann, though, especially given his history. And it's fair for him to point out that they might have a bias, unconscious or not, due to their sponsorship.

Also, people posting the "...who?" comments—you can do a Google search. Contributing to a thread in ignorance is a pretty shitty look.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

Bad posts like this make me glad you're not into Giant Bomb.

I am but whatever.

This has nothing to do with GB fandom?

Then why are some many people implying that they were payed off or shills? Seems like a childish retort from a silly fans.

 

[SwolBro]

These YouTube gaming personalities become more intolerable and unappealing every time they open their mouths. Not surprised they respond this way to criticism of products made by companies paying their bills though.

Unfortunately, this is the nature of the beast right now. Youtube, online commentators used to have some type of legitimacy to them, despite being rough around the edges they still were normal folks talking about things honestly because they enjoyed it.

Problem is some of these people now have no other choice but to try and make money this way. So, a lot of them take in whatever they can get. They want to make a living, so they'll bend to money very easily. Most of them wouldn't get hired by a real publication if their lives depended on it. They're just not qualified.

It's going to be increasingly problematic finding outlets you can trust.

 

[Sec0nd]

This is great. I can't wait for the next Bombcast where Jeff sums his thoughts up in an one sentence 'Meh, I don't care' line.

 

[Mister_Bubbles]

I mean, yeah, that's totally dickish, but who cares what Rooster Teeth has to say about anything?

Pretty much the be-all and end-all. Why give them the views? Just leave them be and they can bumble around in their own little corner of the net.

This is great. I can't wait for the next Bombcast where Jeff sums his thoughts up in an one sentence 'Meh, I don't care' line.

That's the thing - you know he will never mention this in a professional capacity, hence the difference between people with integrity and these muppets.

 

[Prototype Viktor]

Gus/Meg ≠ roosterteeth
Tho they do have a weird sometimes enforcement of no shitting on video game things in thier podcast.
And the Fullscreen deal changed them a lot from the Pizza Hut skit (good) to Fallout fueling them to make thier own content later (semi-good), Red vs Blue being put on a cable channel and one of thier the co-founder being put on The Amazing Race (just weird)

 

[def sim]

lmao @ "I don't know if Jeff did that with his review" Of course he didn't, come on.

Yeah, he shouldn't have snuck that in there. It's disingenuous and insulting.

He might as well have done this Gilbert Gottfried bit except about clickbait reviews. It'd be more honest.

 

[Chairhome]

So continues the eternal battle of Jeff's honest reviews vs websites paid by the companies that have made the games being reviewed

 

[Devilgunman]

Probably worth mentioning the founder of RT seems to have a lot of respect for Gerstmann, and they've been on each other's panels. This looks like an uninformed cosplayer said something dumb, and the other guys went with it.

Even the RT community savaged them over it. Here's Ryan's response in their subreddit where he doubles-down (check the downvotes)

This is like dumping a gasoline into a pit fire.

 

[Zomba13]

So Ryan says they base their reviews on the "gamers experience" and not by the games technical issues? Do they think that "gamers" aren't bothered by technical issues? Why do they think Digital Foundry exists?

The funny thing with that though is the "gamers experience" with Fallout 4 (and 3, and Skyrim) is the buggy/glitchy/jank nature of those games. The average gamer probably won't care about framerates or textures or graphical issues but they will still get those weird bugs and they will talk about them. Less in a "this was bad because of this bug " and more in a "woah this weird thing happened when I played yesterday. I shot a guy and he went to the moon then my dog vanished!"

Still, I think it's super weird (not weird but gross? Icky?) to have a group of people surrounded by a games merch after having done promotional sketches for said game then digging in on one of the few high profile reviews that rated it "negatively" (c'mon, it's 3/5 on consoles and 4/5 on PC. That isn't negative.) because the reviewer decided to call out Bethesda.

 

[SuperStiltzkin]

I am but whatever.

Then why are some many people implying that they were payed off or shills? Seems like a childish retort from a silly fans.

What makes you think all the people calling RT shills are GB fans and not just long time RT haters?

 

[ClosingADoor]

Unfortunately, this is the nature of the beast right now. Youtube, online commentators used to have some type of legitimacy to them, despite being rough around the edges they still were normal folks talking about things honestly because they enjoyed it.

Problem is some of these people now have no other choice but to try and make money this way. So, a lot of them take in whatever they can get. They want to make a living, so they'll bend to money very easily. Most of them wouldn't get hired by a real publication if their lives depended on it. They're just not qualified.

It's going to be increasingly problematic finding outlets you can trust.

It's kind of funny how some of these channels started as some alternative to the established games media, only to find themselves being part of the establishment and now dealing with the same issues they complained about earlier.

 

[105.Will]

I'm not familiar with the specific review in question and I have no idea if the Rooster Teeth comments were off base in this circumstance, but I'm glad to read that someone is publicly taking Gerstmann to task in some form. The guy is a stick-in-the-mud blight on games media that's treated like a messiah for giving one shit game a mediocre review a decade ago. He has zero enthusiasm and only cynicism for gaming -- and it shows in both his writing as well as his podcast. He should just switch over to writing about wrestling or something that he actually enjoys.

You should watch their Mario maker videos, The man loves games. And yes, he can be cynical but he's honest.

 

[Kyou]

how dare Gerstmann give it the damning score of 4/5 and consider it a great game

what a conceited motherfucker

 

[show me your skeleton]

my takeaway from all this is how goddamn awful those pip boys look.

 

[Zojirushi]

Brad or Dan will review it. Jeff didn't like The Last of Us and no one really cared cause he didn't review it.

I know, that was just an example. People fucking HATE it, if you don't like their new favorite thing. ANother example would be the reaction to Giant Bomb's E3 reactions.

What, they didn't lose their shit about FFVII remake?? HOW DARE THEY NOT CARE ABOUT MY NERD FANTASIES?!

 

[matmanx1]

I once sold commercial flooring to Rooster Teeth for one of their studios (may have been the RWBY studio) which I sort of geeked out about because I knew them from Red Vs Blue. True story.

On topic: Who cares what they think about Gerstmann's review? I don't.

 

[Messofanego]

This instance is particulary funny though, since they are not a review site. They are a company that is paid to make ads and videos for video game companies. They make all those Gamestop in-game ads that play on the TVs at Gamestops. This company has many different branches though, sure, but the people on this podcast make money from the games they are defending. They are "in bed" (if that is not too strong a term) with Microsoft VERY heavily. They show up in promotional material for the XBO and everything. They aren't a group that shouldn't be taken seriously when it comes to their critical opinions on games, due to how connected they are to many of the companies on a business level.

The problem I have with them going on a rant like this is that they have millions of fans, and their fans are absolutely going to favor their opinions over anyone else's even if they really probably shouldn't.

Jeez, didn't know it was to that level! Man, and people trust Youtube gaming people over critics even with multiple Youtube scandals. Shit is painful.

 

[jaypah]

I'm not familiar with the specific review in question and I have no idea if the Rooster Teeth comments were off base in this circumstance, but I'm glad to read that someone is publicly taking Gerstmann to task in some form. The guy is a stick-in-the-mud blight on games media that's treated like a messiah for giving one shit game a mediocre review a decade ago. He has zero enthusiasm and only cynicism for gaming -- and it shows in both his writing as well as his podcast. He should just switch over to writing about wrestling or something that he actually enjoys.

I'm here for this!

Also he gets excited for stuff when it's stuff he likes. Like a human.

 

[Zaph]

Tho they do have a weird sometimes enforcement of no shitting on video game things in thier podcast.

Wait, what? RT don't allow video game criticism on their video game podcast?

 

[Piston Hyundai]

Then why are some many people implying that they were payed off or shills? Seems like a childish retort from a silly fans.

probably the part where they were given money to make videos to promote the game

 

[Seventy70]

Who the fuck tales Gertsman seriously, dude is a joke, his idiotic hate for Yoshi games makes it even worse

Someone doesn't understand how humor works.

 

[patapuf]

So continues the eternal battle of Jeff's honest reviews vs websites paid by the companies that have made the games being reviewed

It's hilarious how often people seem to be riled up when he gives a game a good instead of a great score.

He doesn't even have to give a bad score.

 

[Deadstar]

So Ryan says they base their reviews on the "gamers experience" and not by the games technical issues? Do they think that "gamers" aren't bothered by technical issues? Why do they think Digital Foundry exists?

I think his point was to say that if he didn't experience any technical issues, he won't report on it. On the flip side though, I don't see why he has a problem with someone talking about the technical issues if they legitimately had them in the game. If the game legitimately hits single digits in certain areas that is BAD and I want to know about it. It may not be a huge deal but I would prefer that a review talks about it so I can make the decision on my own.

You could call me a fan of Rooster Teeth as I've enjoyed some of their content in the past but they really lost all credibility with me at this point. I always went to them more for entertainment rather than honest reviews though, so this doesn't change much. They are an entertainment, promotion house. There's nothing wrong with that but I wouldn't trust their reviews at all. Questioning the legitimacy of Jeff is absolutely hilarious. Who is Megan, who is Ryan? What is their track record compared to Jeff's? It makes me laugh. The only thing that episode of the patch did was make them look really foolish.

They need to do their homework because it's a joke to think that Jeff or Giant Bomb would write a review to get "hits" especially considering Jeff's past which had him fired for writing an honest review. Also funny they admitted to not reading his review and some of them said they don't even know who he is.

 

[ClosingADoor]

I know, that was just an example. People fucking HATE it, if you don't like their new favorite thing. ANother example would be the reaction to Giant Bomb's E3 reactions.

What, they didn't lose their shit about FFVII remake?? HOW DARE THEY NOT CARE ABOUT MY NERD FANTASIES?!

I feel there is a bit of a difference between your readers complaining and another outlet calling you out over it. If another outlet calls you out, I expect a good argument from them or at least some proof if it is about scoring games higher or lower on purpose.

 

[sora87]

I don't like either of these companies, but people should use the full range of the 10 point scale if they're reviewing games that way. Too many games are just getting 8s and 9s thrown on them when a 6 or 7 would have been waaaay more deserving, but because a 6 or 7 has somehow become "bad" or "rubbish" in the eyes of people, those scores are rarely given.

 

[BlastProcessing]

What is a jeff gerstmann?

A miserable pile of boneless wings.

 

[Prototype Viktor]

Wait, what? RT don't allow video game criticism on their video game podcast?

No they just avoid it in most cases on purpose

 

[Storm Chamber]

Meg Turney: "Ok, so I have a bone to pick. And it's people who review shit low. Because I feel like people do that to be 'eh we're different'. Everybody gave Fallout 4 90s and up. 70. You're not different or special because you review a game low!"

Ryan Haywood: "'Look, we have legitimate things to say and if we don't rate it low, you know how legitimate we are.'"

Meg Turney: "Yeah, no one will come to our site to look at it."

Gus Sorola: "I feel like the bugs and negativity is really overblown. And that's what people are making a stand on. Trying to stand out like 'oh we're different, we have a more keen eye than the average reviewer'. Like people were jizzing over Jeff Gerstmann and Giant Bomb because they called out all the problems in the game."

Meg Turney: "They were like, 'It's a technical mess'." (she says this while completely forgetting she just had a whole segment about how buggy the game was earlier in the podcast)

Gus Sorola: "Yeah like, 'Thank you Jeff Gerstmann for keeping it real'."

Ryan Haywood: "We sit and wine on cheese and crackers as we wrote our review."

Meg Turney: "Yes, on my Mixlr."

...this is what people listen to? Christ.

 

[georly]

A giant bomb 3 star is what it deserves based on what i've read from people on gaf.

I interpret their 3 stars as "met expectations" for sequels. Improved on things it needed to improve on and doesn't do anything too special. They spoke about twilight princess on the podcast and said it'd be a 3 star zelda and I wholeheartedly agree. Nothing wrong w/ a 3 for a sequel. Did everything it needed to do to remain as good as the previous one (taking into account the time difference between releases and how the landscape of games have changed).

 

[OdysseusVA]

I'm not familiar with the specific review in question and I have no idea if the Rooster Teeth comments were off base in this circumstance, but I'm glad to read that someone is publicly taking Gerstmann to task in some form. The guy is a stick-in-the-mud blight on games media that's treated like a messiah for giving one shit game a mediocre review a decade ago. He has zero enthusiasm and only cynicism for gaming -- and it shows in both his writing as well as his podcast. He should just switch over to writing about wrestling or something that he actually enjoys.

He loves Mario Maker
He hates wrestling

 

[Diprosalic]

eating cheese and crackers is considered elitist?
you'd get shoot here if you ate a great cheese with fucking crackers.


yeah that clip is embarrassing.

 

[outunderthestars]

So Ryan says they base their reviews on the "gamers experience" and not by the games technical issues? Do they think that "gamers" aren't bothered by technical issues? Why do they think Digital Foundry exists?

Message board fodder?

 

[GillianSeed79]

I'm not familiar with the specific review in question and I have no idea if the Rooster Teeth comments were off base in this circumstance, but I'm glad to read that someone is publicly taking Gerstmann to task in some form. The guy is a stick-in-the-mud blight on games media that's treated like a messiah for giving one shit game a mediocre review a decade ago. He has zero enthusiasm and only cynicism for gaming -- and it shows in both his writing as well as his podcast. He should just switch over to writing about wrestling or something that he actually enjoys.

You should play Saints Row 3. Seriously, what is this? This meme that Jeff hates games is so dumb. He actually is really enthusiastic about games just maybe not the games you like. I also hate this new thing where people complain that Jeff is too cynical. I want game critics to be just that - critical of games. I hate critics who slap a 10 on whatever the new hotness is and call it a day.

 

[Elginer]

 

[MarauderShields]

Pretty much proof that Jeff is still the best. Having said that:



She'd fit right in here. People go apeshit and throw equivalent hissy fits once their darling games are scored lower by an outlet, see every Naughty Dog review thread and the like.

Best post in this thread. So true.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

My friend was telling me about this yesterday and I thought it was hilarious, but nothing could have prepared me for the image of them all sitting around wearing their pip boys

 

[Stabby McSter]

He loves Mario Maker
He hates wrestling

and that's why gerstmann is the hero we need

 

[AcademicSaucer]

All that merch reminds me of the dorito pope

 

[robotrock]

Why didn't the giant bomb guys scream when they announced shenmue

 

[webrunner]

between EIGHT POINT EIGHT and the Kayne and Lynch Incident and this, it's really funny how Jeff keeps getting shit just for keeping it real.

Loved the bit in the current bombcast where he says that if he *could* he would have rated twilight princess even LOWER

 

[Falifax]

lol I dunno isn't this what happens in pretty much every AAA game Review Thread on GAF?

Like, just watch when he ends up not liking Uncharted 4. Oh boy...

Jeff's tweet, in which he stated his opinion about Witcher 3, derailed the review thread for like 4 pages, and he wasn't even reviewing it, so yeah.

 

[Deleted member 10571]

RT doing their best to make me never check out their page, ever, i see What a bunch of bigheaded shills, I hope this will blow up on the social medias.

 

[Google]

Also funny they admitted to not reading his review and some of them said they don't even know who he is.

Yeah, this stood out for me.

How are you working and making a living from games media and not knowing one of the most experienced and prolific people in the industry?

 

[VanillaCakeIsBurning]

They made the Red vs Blue videos a while back. I stopped paying attention to them after Season 3 or 4, story got convoluted.

I never really watched Red Vs Blue but I saw some awesome stuff when they brought Monty Oum (of Haloid and Dead Fantasy fame) on board.

Stuff like this

and this.

And there's also Monty's project RWBY.

 

[Schryver]

Haven't paid attention to Rooster Teeth since season 3 of RedvsBlue. Pretty insane they are still around