My hypothetical was about looking at a group of people, of who I think I made it clear I am not part of, who were very excited about marketing dreams such as 4k rtx gameplay and then shifting to compare that dream to the reality of what was out now. You shifted it back to dreams about games which are not available, and I don't care about much, and can't even seem to understand how you are not satisfying me with the concrete and immediate benefits of this hardware.
No dude, it takes 2 seconds to switch settings, not to actually check if something change.
I shifted nothing, you were the one talking about people in general and next 2 years, of course i'm gonna speak about future games that are not available yet.
In my entire life of gaming, never, was it ever worth to keep certain settings such as shadows on ultra. The only ones, I personally prefer as high as possible is stuff related to distance rendering, but quality wise such as rays, fog, whatever the fuck, are almost never worth wasting frames. Also, you're a PC gaming enthusiast, it's part of the charm and fun to explore settings and customize your game.
No dude, i made that list because an user was saying that we only had cyberpunk for the next 2 years to flex our pricey gpus, and that is false no matter how much you try to invalid my list with your personal reasons and predictions, 2023 is full choke of good looking games, and you know better than me that some games are gonna be more heavy than they need to be because optimization on pc is usually shit, so yeah hogwarts should run fine, but we don't really know how heavy is gonna be, don't we? Never heard about bruteforcing broken games? that is NOT gonna stop being a thing with some future games.
Let's agree that you don't understand the point I was making so shifted the goalposts you could "defeat" an argument I never made and look like, I don't know what you are trying to look like. I was insouciant about it until you decided to attack me for shifting goalposts.
Day 1 yeah, but for the last few years, buying day 1 has been kind of a dumb move, and this is coming from someone who still does it even if a bit less. In a few months most games run better. Still, that doesnt mean we should go ahead and accept garbage ports/releases and just go ahead and buy the best gpu for them besides the fact that the last few big titles released recently are already on sale after 2 months.
Absolutely true.
I was hardly attacking you when i make you notice that:
U can do w/e u want, if u got huge performance budget u will be fine that way, for me personally i had to tweak some games pretty hard even on my 3080ti, to not look far- cp2077, channels like digital foundry or similar, basically ones where they give u optimised settings/ and comparisions between visual quality/fps loss between particular settings are godsent, ofc if some1 is bit more techsavy we enjoy to do all the calibration on our own, we treating it like another minigame and its very fun, but thats personal preference
It is stupid to fight over this, which annoys me even more that you are coming in swinging, accusing me of shifting goalposts and delivering ultimatums that I should see things your way or stop engaging with you, presumably giving you the last word which you seem to need so badly. I don't think you realize how little embarrassment I feel about sticking with stupid discussions if I am annoyed.I was hardly attacking you when i make you notice that:
-saying how much those games are gonna sell
-how much you personally like these games
Have nothing to do during a broad discussion about what people with pricey gpus are gonna be able to play and flex their gpus in the next 2 years.
But sure, we can agree on what you want dude, like i said, it is stupid to fight over this shit
I wasn't swinging, cmon dude
i don't "swing"even when people call me names and insult me, let alone for such a stupid discussion.
Curious to know what these games are because I can't think of a single one.
DLSS/FSR/XeSS.
But it's not? The 3070 is around 25% faster than the 3060 Ti.Skip the generation if you have anything above a 3060Ti'6X.
Every thing is way overpriced and the only good value is the frikken 4090.
^399 basically all the performance of an RTX3070.
Good times.
Spider-Man and Witcher 3 are the newest ones that’s gone over 12 gigs for me. But also I have a 20 gig card so I imagine some of that is just the card using as much as it can but still I would say 16 will be the absolute minimum for high settings and rt in the next few years.
Yeah that's definitely an allocation thing. Spider-Man at max settings and 4K on my 11GB 2080 Ti doesn't run into a VRAM bottleneck.
I hope so too. I hate the current prices. But there's this:
Don't Expect GPU Prices To Go Down, Nvidia Boss Says
High graphics card prices are here to stay.www.gamespot.com
There are $799 models on Newegg, Zotac one still in stock.
Costs have just went up, console costs increased on the old node. These GPUs use an even more expensive manufacturing node.
Might have to ditch my front mounted AIO, I could fit these cards if it wasn't for that.
Not being funny, how it is better in several ways? (Mind you, I think the 7900 XT is way overpriced, too)
4070 Ti is better in RT.
Price, DLSS2 is better quality than FSR2, DLSS3 frame generation, and Power Consumption. Seems you already found several ways the 4070 Ti is better already.
Well, I said it was parity for THE MOST part at Raytracing, which it is. And the price (as stated in my original post) seems to be a technicality as most of the priced cards are at or above the 7900 XT current price. Power consumption is a clear winner for the 4070 Ti, but the other stuff seems like you're trying to hard to convince yourself, haha. Neither card should cost more than $800 all in with AIB models.
At 1440p it loses in RT by as much as it wins in raster, and the fact that FSR2 isn't quite as good as DLSS2/DLSS3 can affect those games even more negatively on the AMD card.
According to Hardware Unboxed's 8 game RT avg at 1440p. RT off, 7900 XT wins 5%(ovr) 15% (With the 8 games they compared for RT, which is weird) RT off, loses by 7% with RT for the games they tested. FSR2 is not DLSS3, but let's not act like its FSR1 or DLSS1 and complete garbage, because that's disingenuous and its not. Point still remains neither are great at their current price and neither should be bought until the prices come down for both.
That right there, it was weird what they did, Hardware Unboxed seems to have caused confusion with the way they did their benchmarks.
Depends on your needs, the 4070 Ti is the perfect card for my setup and I would have bought one at $799 if it fit my case. I wouldn't even consider a 7900 XT because of the lack of features unless it was under $800, it would need to be cheaper than the 4070 Ti for me to even consider it.
Fair enough.
