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[nial]

Xbox One X came out a year after the PS4 Pro.

And usually 1 year later also means more powerful. The Xbox One X was a really great machine.

Keep in mind that this supposed PS5 Pro will be released 4 years after the start of the generation, compared to the PS4 Pro which took 3 years. 2025 is, in fact, too late.

 

[Elder Legend]

Keep in mind that this supposed PS5 Pro will be released 4 years after the start of the generation, compared to the PS4 Pro which took 3 years. 2025 is, in fact, too late.

Woest case scenario, new gen consoles will come end of 2029 at the latest with 2028 Holiday the earliest, you also have to take Covid into account.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

Cause the base hardware (especially S) is too outdated at that point - it's only 2 years left before PS6 and you would expect Pro console to last at least 3 years. Unless they drop S parity on its release and current X becomes new S.

Well, that would be a clusterfuck.

 

[nial]

Eh, it's just one year later than the rumored PS5 pro. And there will certainly be a decent cross gen period, just like this gen.

People choose different points to get into a console ecosystem. Millions of PS4 consoles were sold in 2019 and 2020, for example, and people are still buying Switch consoles by the thousands in Japan today.

Keep in mind that this supposed PS5 Pro will be released 4 years after the start of the generation, compared to the PS4 Pro which took 3 years. 2025 is, in fact, too late.

It really seems useless for MS to release new hardware in 2025 only to have it replaced 2 years later unless they start next-gen in 2028, which they won't unless Sony skips 2027 as well (which I sincerely doubt).

Woest case scenario, new gen consoles will come end of 2029 at the latest with 2028 Holiday the earliest, you also have to take Covid into account.

Yeah, never happening...

 

[Mokus]

5 years was normal. every since the 90s days. it's only when Sony with their shitty PS3 and PS4 this has been shifted. it was always 5 to 6 years. PS1, PS2, SNES, N64, and so on.

8 years is fucking too long. imagine 5 years with the same phone and want to go even more using it. at least phones are expensive. this is a 500$ box with a controller.

I am all in bringing back new-gen consoles every 5 years. I am not a fan of 2 sequels in the same console anyway. I don't want "for example" 2 god of War games or 2 Halo games with the same graphics under the same system. Would rather have God of War PS5 and better graphics/audio/experience with a new one for PS6 and so on.

Microsoft's Xbox 360 was out for 8 years while PS3 had 7 years.

 

[reinking]

In 5yrs it might be the right time to just refresh the hardware completely. The concept of "generations" is quite antiquated and will just grow more meaningless with each passing year. A point painfully proven by the length of cross-gen support this time around.

I agree with that poster that said they should just jump ahead and switch to numbering the systems, count every Xbox they've ever built individually and go from there. Would put them at 8 or 9 or something like that. Xbox 8s or 8x and that kind of thing would be a lot easier to keep track of.

I thought there was a big push from Xbox to get away from generations and that is why they went with the Series naming system. If they come out with Xbox/Series 7 or 8, and people are ignorant enough to fall for that type of marketing, my respect for the gaming community will be greatly diminished. What happens when they get to 10? They can't go back to X.

 

[nial]

MS going next-gen a year early, in 2026, seems more likely IMO, but at the same time, they'd better get their stuff rolling (as of now) unless they want a repeat of the Dreamcast.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

It really seems useless for MS to release new hardware in 2025 only to have it replaced 2 years later unless they start next-gen in 2028, which they won't unless Sony skips 2027 as well (which I sincerely doubt).

Yeah, never happening...

IMO, it's 2029 at the earliest.

 

[//DEVIL//]

Put down whatever you're smoking man, it's bad for you. Hardware doesn't get better as fast as it used to at the time X360 was released and no one forced MS to release X1 simultaneously with PS4.



That's not a bad idea I guess.

Hardware doesn't get better ?

Outside the price, the 4090 is twice as powerful as 3080 in 2 years span
In 5 years we had a 1080ti card dude .

Hardware technology evolves and fast. It's the software that is not keeping.

And considering the lack of talent in the software where ps5 games are being played at 720p ( ramnet 2 or whatever it's called is an example ), then yeah please new gen in 5 years.

I am all in . But man that is just my opinion. You don't have to agree lol

 

[analog_future]

With each and every bit of console news I keep hearing on the Xbox side, I feel more and more positive about my switch from console to PC.

 

[Elder Legend]

It really seems useless for MS to release new hardware in 2025 only to have it replaced 2 years later unless they start next-gen in 2028, which they won't unless Sony skips 2027 as well (which I sincerely doubt).

Yeah, never happening...

Microsoft would like to have a word with you and say otherwise - "This term would in any case go beyond the expected starting period of the next generation of consoles (in 2028). Thus, Call of Duty will be published on successor PlayStation consoles should one be released during the term of the agreement," mentioned Microsoft in the court filings."

Source FTC/MS Court Documents back in July - https://exputer.com/news/industry/microsoft-next-gen-consoles-2028/

Now go email MS and tell them how it's never happening and bring up your points. They obviously hold more truth than what the console manufacture themselves has to say...

 

[nial]

Microsoft would like to have a word with you and say otherwise - "This term would in any case go beyond the expected starting period of the next generation of consoles (in 2028). Thus, Call of Duty will be published on successor PlayStation consoles should one be released during the term of the agreement," mentioned Microsoft in the court filings."

Source FTC/MS Court Documents back in July - https://exputer.com/news/industry/microsoft-next-gen-consoles-2028/

Now go email MS and tell them how it's never happening and bring up your points. They obviously hold more truth than what the console manufacture themselves has to say...

Look at what I put in bold and aside, I suggest you not give too much weight to this, their plans can always change.

 

[dotnotbot]

(...) Outside the price (...)

Lol.

Still nowhere near as fast as at that time.

 

[Vox Machina]

Cause the base hardware (especially S) is too outdated at that point - it's only 2 years left before PS6 and you would expect Pro console to last at least 3 years. Unless they drop S parity on its release and current X becomes new S.

Court docs in the MSFT/FTC trial put next gen at 2028, IIRC.

 

[balls of snow]

It would be a great idea (and therefore ms will never do it) for ms to have an exchange program for the series s. Exchange it + $50 to $100 for a x pro or an x because by 2025, the seies s parity clause is gonna get gone.

 

[ResilientBanana]

Cause the base hardware (especially S) is too outdated at that point - it's only 2 years left before PS6 and you would expect Pro console to last at least 3 years. Unless they drop S parity on its release and current X becomes new S.

Last gen was 7-9 years long considering all the cross gen titles. It's only been 3 years and the previous pro consoles came out 3 years prior to current gen. 2025 checks out.

But the questions is, this gen feels like it's barely kicked off.

 

[Elder Legend]

Look at what I put in bold and aside, I suggest you not give too much weight to this, their plans can always change.

yes, let me not put as much weight into what the company that manufactures consoles themselves say/predict. Instead, its obviously better for me to put trust into a random forum poster. Makes complete logical sense.

 

[Elder Legend]

Last gen was 7-9 years long considering all the cross gen titles. It's only been 3 years and the previous pro consoles came out 3 years prior to current gen. 2025 checks out.

But the questions is, this gen feels like it's barely kicked off.

It feels like that cause Covid put everything in a time capsule and froze everything. Entire world suffered, game development got massive delays and games that were supposed to be out have been delayed for years and the entire schedule just got thrown out the window. Shitty timeline.

 

[nial]

yes, let me not put as much weight into what the company that manufactures consoles themselves say/predict. Instead, its obviously better for me to put trust into a random forum poster. Makes complete logical sense.

You managed to have an overly simple thing fly over your head, wow.

 

[Elder Legend]

You managed to have an overly simple thing fly over your head, wow.

No, I didn't. You even yourself admitted that they could possibly change their mind earlier hence why I said 2029 AT THE LATEST if they decide to push the release date to a year later than originally anticipated with with 2028 at the earliest because that's what it seems they are aiming for.

 

[nial]

No, I didn't. You even yourself admitted that they could possibly change their mind earlier hence why I said 2029 AT THE LATEST if they decide to push the release date to a year later than originally anticipated with with 2028 at the earliest because that's what it seems they are aiming for.

Yep, 2029 is never happening, sorry.

 

[Elder Legend]

Yep, 2029 is never happening, sorry.

And why would 2029 never happen? You never give any explanation to your reasoning, that makes it a very boring and uninteresting discussion, at least bring in some valid points if you gonna try to have a good argument. If anything I am actually surprised its even happening at 2028 considering how Covid was here for like whole 2 years. A typical cycle is usually 7 years years, sometimes 8. By that logic, Covid should have delayed this gen to 2030. But it seems MS/Sony just wanna get this gen over with and stick to the original cycle timeline.

 

[Vox Machina]

5 years was normal. every since the 90s days. it's only when Sony with their shitty PS3 and PS4 this has been shifted. it was always 5 to 6 years. PS1, PS2, SNES, N64, and so on.

8 years is fucking too long. imagine 5 years with the same phone and want to go even more using it. at least phones are expensive. this is a 500$ box with a controller.

I am all in bringing back new-gen consoles every 5 years. I am not a fan of 2 sequels in the same console anyway. I don't want "for example" 2 god of War games or 2 Halo games with the same graphics under the same system. Would rather have God of War PS5 and better graphics/audio/experience with a new one for PS6 and so on.

5-year cycles sounds great, and it aligns well with AAA dev cycles (5-6 years).

 

[Fafalada]

This nick ?

Well - he was right about 50%

 

[Elder Legend]

5-year cycles sounds great, and it aligns well with AAA dev cycles (5-6 years).

that would not work really well, because majority of people would still be on old-gen systems. Hence, why we have the cross-gen period of 2-3 years where the devs are still banking on high volume software sales from their fanbase on previous generation systems. It's the money that they will use to fund new and current projects.

You have to realize, Neogaf is a very very small minority % of hardcore gamers that are breathing this stuff day in and out. Sure it would be great for us, but not for the average 7 year old little Timmy and his mommy. That's where the $$$ is at. 5 year cycles would be horrendous from a business standpoint.

 

[StueyDuck]

Why do we keep posting these numpties...

They have 0 insider knowledge, just losers wanting to be popular

 

[Bogroll]

that would not work really well, because majority of people would still be on old-gen systems. Hence, why we have the cross-gen period of 2-3 years where the devs are still banking on high volume software sales from their fanbase on previous generation systems. It's the money that they will use to fund new and current projects.

You have to realize, Neogaf is a very very small minority % of hardcore gamers that are breathing this stuff day in and out. Sure it would be great for us, but not for the average 7 year old little Timmy and his mommy. That's where the $$$ is at. 5 year cycles would be horrendous from a business standpoint.

If I had to take a guess I'd say that's the demographic where the PS5 excels over Xbox especially in the later years. So why not take a pop at the gamer with a bit more spare £/$.

Well that's what I'm hoping for cause its just boring now. Really spice things up.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Assuming Nick is right (which I doubt he is, going by his track record), the "other hardware" is more likely to be a Cloud gaming device (which was recently postponed) instead of an Xbox Series Pro.

 

[chromhound]

Get rid of the Series S, replace it with the Series X and release a Pro version

 

[UnNamed]

Don't know why they can't scale games from Series X to SS when in the '80 devs scaled down arcade games to Spectrum.

 

[AngelMuffin]

The Series S was a bad idea from the start. Sure, it seemed like an amazing alternative at a cheaper price, but now that 3 years are about to pass since release, it is obvious that that decision is now biting them in the ass. Baldur's Gate 3 is a perfect example of it.

Series S is a fantastic machine on its own, but it's not very good when it's the lowest common denominator for game development. It gimps the games. They should just released a discless version of the Series X or sold the Series X for $400 and take the losses (they could of easily afford it, this is MS were speaking about) and never have released the Series S.

I am not sure what or how they will deal with it. Microsoft cornered themselves with this one for the long term imo. The sooner new gen starts, the better it is for MS so they can start on a clean slate again. But mistakes have already been made for this generation and now they are paying the price for it. In all honesty though, if the games likes Gears 6, Fable , State of Decay 3 are really good, then i don't think it will matter as much. All hope is on the first party for the positive press and outlook at this point.

I don't think that the BG3 coop fiasco is that big of a deal. It's a niche genre. I mean if there was an issue with the next CoD ot Assassin's Creed, etc. it'd be a problem. I think the S was envisioned and mainly exists to be a GP machine.

 

[Three]

Everybody is assuming "other hardware" is a pro but what if it's their shitty streaming stick?

 

[damidu]

lol i thought the official tune was "gen hasnt even started yet, toolz havent matured, we dont need a pro"
now we have fanboyz here championing for 3-5 year genearations.
gotta give it to these "influencers", they play these fools like a fiddle.

and yeah its not happening.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Everybody is assuming "other hardware" is a pro but what if it's their shitty streaming stick?

What if its just an Elite Series 3?

Him labeling it that way could be anything

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

I am actually curious how would digital Series X look like.

 

[Mokus]

Don't know why they can't scale games from Series X to SS when in the '80 devs scaled down arcade games to Spectrum.

Don't you know that in the '80s devs didn't scaled down games, but built it from scratch for the new hardware?

 

[alphachino]

Xbox- a day late and a dollar short. Quite ironic with them being one of the most valuable companies on the planet

 

[SportsFan581]

I thought there was a big push from Xbox to get away from generations and that is why they went with the Series naming system. If they come out with Xbox/Series 7 or 8, and people are ignorant enough to fall for that type of marketing, my respect for the gaming community will be greatly diminished. What happens when they get to 10? They can't go back to X.

I don't know if you've been let in on this secret or or not. It's revolutionary and also a bit taboo, but.... putting two numbers together makes a bigger number, like you can put two 1s together and have 11 and then after that you can go to 12.

Seriously though, I think numbers are just easier for people to follow. Especially when we get to a point where (if we aren't already there) there is a lot of overlap when it comes to what systems a game is playable on. They will likely go with Xbox Series 2x or something but that is just convoluted to me. Numbers are just simpler in the sense that it is easy to label something as being "playable on Xbox [some number here] or newer" than it is to explain the previous naming schemes of Xbox. They do seem to hate numbers though. Or they go backwards like with X1.

 

[Duchess]

Microsoft: we're releasing a digital Series X, and also a Pro model.

Devs: Hurrah!

Microsoft: But we're still expecting feature parity with Series S.

Devs: What. The. Fuck?

 

[reinking]

I don't know if you've been let in on this secret or or not. It's revolutionary and also a bit taboo, but.... putting two numbers together makes a bigger number, like you can put two 1s together and have 11 and then after that you can go to 12.

Seriously though, I think numbers are just easier for people to follow. Especially when we get to a point where (if we aren't already there) there is a lot of overlap when it comes to what systems a game is playable on. They will likely go with Xbox Series 2x or something but that is just convoluted to me. Numbers are just simpler in the sense that it is easy to label something as being "playable on Xbox [some number here] or newer" than it is to explain the previous naming schemes of Xbox. They do seem to hate numbers though. Or they go backwards like with X1.

Well.. yes, numbers are easier to follow but if MS chooses to bump up their systems generation number to get ahead of the PS6 naming convention, and people fall for it, then people are dumb.

 

[Varteras]

Ya'll must be bored to talk this much about something claimed by that retard.

 

[digital_ghost]

I hope CD drives are completely gone with the next generation boxes.. what a waste of space.

Whelp it was nice having a gamefly subscription while it lasted. No more renting games.

Physical is often cheaper than digital. Which is why I still prefer drives.

 

[Clintizzle]

A good strategy will be to wait till they have 2-3 high-quality games ready to launch on day 1 of the release of their new console and then 2-3 games the following year.

 

[Elder Legend]

Ya'll must be bored to talk this much about something claimed by that retard.

You should join us and become...

 

[El Muerto]

Whatever happened to that patent that surfaced a year ago where you could verify a disc in a PC or another Xbox, and get to play the game on the digital console? More people would be down to buy a digital console if we could do that. Shit give us a sega-cd like attachment for those that want disc drives.

 

[Kumomeme]

they should do that from very beginning instead of releasing console like Series S

 

[ZehDon]

Everybody is assuming "other hardware" is a pro but what if it's their shitty streaming stick?

If I remember correctly, I believe the streaming console was cancelled. But it's the right point to make: "other hardware" is so vague that a pizza-scented controller qualifies as "correct".

Microsoft's engineers stated pre-Series X launch that they didn't foresee the kind of process shrink cost-savings they've seen in past generations - the kind that gives a Slim and Pro model room to be profitable - so they made the Series S because there was no reason to hold back for the new revisions. Given the lead time on new hardware, that's the kind of bed you have to lay in once you've made it.

 

[Three]

If I remember correctly, I believe the streaming console was cancelled. But it's the right point to make: "other hardware" is so vague that a pizza-scented controller qualifies as "correct".

Microsoft's engineers stated pre-Series X launch that they didn't foresee the kind of process shrink cost-savings they've seen in past generations - the kind that gives a Slim and Pro model room to be profitable - so they made the Series S because there was no reason to hold back for the new revisions. Given the lead time on new hardware, that's the kind of bed you have to lay in once you've made it.

Phil said they cancelled it pointing out they couldn't get the cost low enough with a controller. In 2025 the cost to manufacture that streaming stick could be within their price range. I think it was an excuse anyway and they only delayed it due to their acquisition facing cloud scrutiny.

 

[mckmas8808]

After PS5 Pro and Switch 2 are out? Just focus on making exclusive games on time, you're not the market leader in any gaming area.

100% this

 

[SegaSnatcher]

Having 3 SKUs with different performance capabilities is a dumb move. They shot themselves in the foot creating the Series S when they should have just made a Disc and Discless SKUs for Series X.