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[daxy]

Intramural and Olympics operate on the same levels

The basic idea still stands. Come on now.

 

[Lord Error]

If they continue leaking this, I wonder if it'll turn out that almost every single top athlete just happens to have some condition that requires otherwise illegal drugs.

 

[cdyhybrid]

Sure, that doesn't mean that it doesn't give them an advantage over competition.

Unless you've tested them both on and off the medication and controlled for any other factors that could affect athletic performance, I'm inclined to believe the anti-doping agencies when they say this isn't something that affects the legitimacy of the competition.

 

[Euphor!a]

Intramural and Olympics operate on the same levels

And I'm sure the drug knows that and operates according to the level they are playing at.

 

[Ducarmel]

I guess I can figure out why, but it still amazes me that there are people out there hoping for that smoking gun to bring down the William sisters.

I get believing in general athletes dope but I have seen people even posters in threads about Sarena try way to hard to especially prove Serena is a cheat by calling her a man/abnormal etc,

 

[Zackat]

Simone, Serena, and Venus. Man, what a random group. They're nothing alike! Wonder why they chose them.

 

[FallingEdge]

I don't see why anyone is surprised. They all use something.

 

[Aikidoka]

The basic idea still stands. Come on now.

what idea? It's just an anecdote from an amateur roller hockey player. Not really relevant.

 

[j_k_redtail]

Engaging in whataboutism - one of Russia's favorite pastimes.

Yep. The word was invented for Moscow.

 

[GiJoccin]

I meant scientific proof, I in no way meant to take away from the people that legitimately have it. I apologize that i came across that way.

ADHD by definition is diagnosed via a clinical test. there's no medical test for it. that being said, it's quite prevalent, about 5% of children have it, so it's certainly not outlandish that she has it. and it seems like she's had the diagnosis for a while. a.k.a. nothing to see here.

good for her that she was able to focus her energy in such a positive way

 

[darscot]

Simone, Serena, and Venus. Man, what a random group. They're nothing alike!

I do find it sad that people jump right to race. How about they are the most dominant women in their sports the world has ever seen. Is that not enough that they are targeted? Do we really need to take all of that away and say it's just because they are black.

 

[Derwind]

Simone, Serena, and Venus. Man, what a random group. They're nothing alike!

Don't worry they also hacked Elena Delle Donne, so we cool...

:|

I do find it said that people jump right to race. How about they are the most dominant women in their sports the world has ever seen. Is that not enough that they are targeted? Do we really need to take all of that away and say it's just because they are black.

You're right, lets ignore the elephant in the room because...

 

[The Beard]

Simone, Serena, and Venus. Man, what a random group. They're nothing alike!

I see that you've just glanced at the headline. Maybe read some of the actual story.

 

[Euphor!a]

I do find it said that people jump right to race. How about they are the most dominant women in their sports the world has ever seen. Is that not enough that they are targeted? Do we really need to take all of that away and say it's just because they are black.

People just see what they want to see. Russia just wants to discredit American athletes, I doubt they care they are black.

 

[Ikuu]

I see that you've just glanced at the headline. Maybe read some of the actual story.

They released the files for 4 people, the other was Elena Delle Donne. So not like it was a huge dump and people choose these three to look at.

 

[Slayven]

The basic idea still stands. Come on now.

Not really

Athletes that spent every waking moment for a majority of their lives trying to be the best at their sport

vs

a few guys that show up on a saturday once in a while to goof around

It's just a bad anecdote in general

 

[Wax Free Vanilla]

"We will start with the U.S. team which has disgraced its name by tainted victories. We will also disclose exclusive information about other national Olympic teams later. Wait for sensational proof of famous athletes taking doping substances any time soon."


We finally get to know if Team GB cycling team are PED abusers? 😮

 

[darscot]

ADHD by definition is diagnosed via a clinical test. there's no medical test for it. that being said, it's quite prevalent, about 5% of children have it, so it's certainly not outlandish that she has it. and it seems like she's had the diagnosis for a while. a.k.a. nothing to see here.

good for her that she was able to focus her energy in such a positive way

I completely concede that Simone may legitimately have ADHD, I think gymnastics would be way above average with the percentage of people with ADHD. At the young level anecdotally I would guess greater than 50%.

 

[gcubed]

No, I wouldn't bar someone from taking prescription medication as long as she does it legally. Which it's obvious she did.

I'm just saying that having medication that increases your focus and attention is very convenient for a sport like gymnastics. One needs much more than this to be a great gymnast. But I still think that it might be questionable in terms of fairness.

For example I have nothing to say about Serena and Venus, I don't see anything wrong in any way there. I also argued with people trying to excuse Sharapova in some previous threads. I also have no love for Russia. Like at all.

But it's fine, I understand people are rather looking at this story though the national glasses, so maybe it would be good idea to step out, seeing the level of aggression that can be reached.

Edit: no, I'm not an native speaker, obviously, so be free to pick on that, it really shows you in a much better picture.

If this would have been your first post instead of what you laid down maybe the aggression wouldn't have started

 

[johnny956]

Russia cracks me up. It's obvious it's condoned or backed up their government and this is just retaliation for them getting caught with all their doping issues. Of course if they they followed the rules and used TUE's they wouldn't be having this issue.

 

[Pedrito]

Many russian athletes probably have medical exemptions as well, or at least they could, so it's a whole bunch of nothing. But bitter russian nationalists will try to cling to anything they can. One day they'll snap out of it, maybe.

Giving medical exemptions for things like asthma spray is kind of a problem though. Ain't it weird how so many elite cross-country skiers are asthmatic? But for now it's legal so...

 

[AndyD]

they're both american!

And.... something else...that they both mentioned in interviews recently...

 

[Verelios]

I do find it sad that people jump right to race. How about they are the most dominant women in their sports the world has ever seen. Is that not enough that they are targeted? Do we really need to take all of that away and say it's just because they are black.

Lol, okay, haven't seen this stance when they're winning though

 

[lightskintwin]

I do find it said that people jump right to race. How about they are the most dominant women in their sports the world has ever seen. Is that not enough that they are targeted? Do we really need to take all of that away and say it's just because they are black.

I do think part of it has to do with a lot of European countries not familiar with the prowess of African American athletes due to their dominance of American centric sports instead of Eurocentric ones like Tennis and Gymnastics, so there's an underlying belief that Serena and Simone can't be as dominant without illegal substances aiding them.

 

[mantidor]

People just see what they want to see. Russia just wants to discredit American athletes, I doubt they care they are black.

If they had anything on Phelps Putin would deliver the news himself.

 

[MrToughPants]

I don't see why anyone is surprised. They all use something.

People are naive.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I meant scientific proof, I in no way meant to take away from the people that legitimately have it. I apologize that i came across that way.

Lol this is some scientology level dismissal of mental illness.

 

[SummitAve]

Desperation level of hacked info.

 

[Chezzymann]

With all this controversy around substances I can only wonder how fucked sports will be when genetic modification becomes a thing. Will there be a separate Olympics for modified humans or something?

 

[jchap]

Get a doctors note next time Russia

 

[darscot]

Lol this is some scientology level dismissal of mental illness.

You're not completely taking my message and what I said out of context at all. ::rollseyes

 

[mugurumakensei]

This is going to be interesting. I hate to dig into someone private medical history, but I would love to know what Simone was taking.

eh, if you have allergies, almost any strong allergy medication will have steroids.

 

[Randam]

Do they have advantages from using those drugs?

 

[Captin Quacker]

Get a doctors note next time Russia

Not a problem

 

[dave is ok]

Do they have advantages from using those drugs?

They wouldn't use them if the didn't.

 

[Toxi]

Things I learned from this thread

• Athletes with medical conditions should be required to stop taking their medication because it could give an advantage. No word on coaching, equipment, diet, exercise, genetics...
• No athlete has ever really had a serious ailment that could require medication. They're so fit yo!
• ADHD doesn't exist and shouldn't be medicated.
• Getting a medical excuse for taking banned medication is incredibly easy, so Russia was just too stupid to do it for all their doping athletes that got slammed.
• All the winners of all sports events should be Russians.

 

[Dalek]

I believe if you have ADHD the drug does not quite have the same effect on you as it does on a healthy person.

As someone with ADHD it doesn't. It doesn't give me a boost to feel "hyper" it makes me feel normal.

 

[The Faceless Master]

Hmmmm strange why these 2 was targeted..I wonder what they have in common

even Russia treats Black Women bad. smh :/

 

[Randam]

They wouldn't use them if the didn't.

They don't use them because they help them with health problems?

 

[Corto]

ADHD - that life threatening disease that require medication in time for Olympics.

If everything is legal doesn't make it also fair or moral.

But it does. Every athlete has the right to take the medicine needed to treat any health condition properly diagnosed by a certified doctor and with ancillary exams to back it up. these exemptions are available to any athlete that requires them and follows the proper process. If this process was easily subverted and just a formality there wouldn't exist doping. Every athlete would just claim to have some ailment and have at it.

 

[Ikuu]

Why not Phelps then?

Apparently they got the details of the TUE's, so if Phelps doesn't have any he wouldn't be there.

 

[Wafflecakes]

They don't use them because they help them with health problems?

Of course not.

When Serena cut her foot she had a tetanus shot to make her hit the ball harder.

That it what all medication does right?

 

[Lord Error]

Why not Phelps then?

Doesn't he also have ADHD? He probably would be on the same medication.

 

[Euphor!a]

But it does. Every athlete has the right to take the medicine needed to treat any health condition properly diagnosed by a certified doctor and with ancillary exams to back it up. these exemptions are available to any athlete that requires them and follows the proper process. If this process was easily subverted and just a formality there wouldn't exist doping. Every athlete would just claim to have some ailment and have at it.

But it is easily subverted and they do. Just looks at the rates of asthma in skiing and long distance running.

 

[Corto]

They wouldn't use them if the didn't.

They use them to achieve homeostasis, an healthy equilibrium. Not as a performance enhancement.

 

[MrToughPants]

They don't use them because they help them with health problems?

Well if you're cleared to use certain stims which are WADA prohibited you could always super dose them, like hockey players do with epherdrine.

 

[Wafflecakes]

But it is easily subverted and they do. Just looks at the rates of asthma in skiing and long distance running.

...or it could be that the conditions are far more likely to be noticeable and diagnosed in endurance athletes...

 

[M0nochromatic]

I understand the anger that comes from having your athletes barred from competition, but that's an extreme violation of privacy that doesn't actually indict the regulators. It only opens athletes up for assaults through social media and and in real life. Sure, it's possible that there may be biases, but you'r attacking too many innocents to reach your ends.

That's assuming they're genuine. Like many "hacktivists" it's much more likely they just lash out because they can, and then rationalize it however they can. What a waste of potential.

 

[DragonSworne]

This is a damn nonissue but the racist and sexist people are going to have a field day.

 

[KingSnake]

Edit: Damn, not a good page start. Abort.