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Ryse: Son of Rome |OT| Are You Not Entertained?!
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MADGAME
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Someone trained in the art of gif making should loop the sword to the nuts at 0:59.
cripterion
Member
Its not very reflective surface and You're complaining that this game does not feature ray-tracing?
Where there is direct light, there are normal shadows, where there is not, there is just AO. Its like that in every game and will be like that, till we wont get ray-tracing renderers.
And how exactly shadows fade out when the light is covered by different object? You could have shadows from sun reflection of the walls, but You couldnt have shadows from light source that is already covered by something else [like here palace's walls]
Stop making things up.
Nothing seems to be missing in this scene right? It's totally realistic that these dudes don't cast any shadows or reflections on a surface that reflects everything else in the scene like walls and light sources?
At first I was not sure what you two were arguing about, but this definitely seems to be another case of KKRT00 aimlessly defending something Crytek tech related where he shouldn't be. There should definitely be reflections/shadows around those characters, as is they look like they've just been super imposed in. But it's a minor gripe, and possibly a glitch or something.
Specular reflections are much stronger than SSR reflections. And there are reflections from soldiers, they are visible many times even in this quality footage.
And they cast shadows from direct lights. You can easily see that at 11:27 in the background that they cast shadows, because they are actually in a spot of direct sunlight.
Where Marius is in complete shadows.
Lighting is more than fine in these scene.
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How is this a glitch?
Show me a game with proper lighting, where there is shadow inside the shadow.
Yes I actually see why there are no shadows (because they don't have secondary shadows done by any technique), but that doesn't mean it looks right. They should've faked something so the characters don't look like they are hovering.
Dictator93
Member
Engines can only render direct shadows for so many sources on 1.3 TF. Screen space based ambient occlusion only goes so far. There is no engine which renders shadows from bounce light in real time.
You are asking for a lot more than what modern engines can do on modern console hardware.
Faking it would make it look completely implausible and fucked up when things move.
You are asking for a rastering normal light shadow model impossibility.
There is good AO, which is not as visible, because of compression and 720p.
You wont have shadows, because its not a ray-tracer. And those would be shadows from bounced light from walls and even with that we dont know if they would be visible in this contrast and they probably wouldnt be visible in this quality footage anyway.
Like i said, there is nothing wrong with scene lighting.
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
Characters aren't being reflected in that scene, no. It's a problem because the rest of the environment is being reflected and without shadows the characters aren't properly grounded. Who knows why they didn't activate SSR there.
SSR is enabled all the time, its just main floor texture is not reflective enough for Your taste.
Awful video quality does not help either.
Like I said, I don't blame the engine, it's probably very capable, but the fact remains, the scene looks weird and some kind of faking was in order. I'm sure it would've been done if there was enough time.
No, You need extra 10TFlops for ray-tracing to make indirect shadows in real-time from such light bouncing from walls.
Actually, this scene would look worse in most other engines, because it would be much, much darker.
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What bothers me personally, is that GI bounce lighting specular reflection from walls is not occluded by NPCs, which looks strange in comparison to normal specular reflection that are occluded by dynamic objects.
But we dont know how they implemented their new bounce lighting probes and if there is even possible to occlude it with current tech, so cant really complain about it.
Unity2012
Member
For those still wanting to learn more about the Gameplay Combat:
Ryse: Son of Rome Combat Overview.
http://youtu.be/vIpt4FRFy10
Ryse: Son of Rome Combat Overview.
http://youtu.be/vIpt4FRFy10
JackAubrey
Member
There's a beautiful 100 page PDF manual for RYSE available from the Smartglass companion app. Just downloaded it on Android just now. It's a lovely piece of work. Full of spoilers though so be warned.
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
SSR is enabled all the time, its just main floor texture is not reflective enough for Your taste.
Awful video quality does not help either.
The golden part of the floor is using SSR indeed, but the grey part (which is most of the floor) isn't. If the floor wasn't as reflective SSDO would be more than enough, but the bright specular highlights exacerbate the problem.
You cant turn off SSR per material basis. Its all screen or non at all.
As i said, You are overestimating reflectiveness of this surface. And it does reflect, You can see it near the upper right light source on the legs of barbarians in 11:47. Its more lit from specular reflection and has better angle, which make it more reflective.
Dictator93
Member
It is rumored a sequel would be during arthurian times.
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
This is the problem exhibited:
And in this case it happens for because they're using a cubemap reflection for the environment but as you correctly point out, the material isn't glossy enough for the SSR to kick in.
Dictator93
Member
This is the problem exhibited:
And in this case it happens for because they're using a cubemap reflection for the environment but as you correctly point out, the material isn't glossy enough for the SSR to kick in.
You can prevent that in Cryengine manually. But there is no automatic system.
Shaunboy97
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Chobel
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Steverulez
Member
You need a fart to fake stuff like that. But it's like I'm banging my head to wall talking to you.
It probably is boring if you play on an easy difficulty. And from current trends in gaming, Normal is probably far too easy.
Chobel
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SRTtoZ
Member
That excerpt makes it sound like FFXIII:Rome
ChosenPredator
Banned
yeah when I played Knack i set it on the hardest and even that was kind of easy for me so I'll do the same with ryse you get more satisfaction from that.
JackAubrey
Member
"confusing-ass plot"? Maybe they should have got a grown up to explain it to them.
ChosenPredator
Banned
yeah I don't know how much games I've run down hall ways repeatedly and punch people in the face so that doesn't really matter to me sounds like alot of games lol
JordoftheDead
Member
Sad to read Kotaku AU say that Ryse is a mediocre game. That said, I'm glad they said that Forza 5 is the best launch game this year.
I'll still pick it up though.
I'll still pick it up though.
Twin Tails
Member
damn this game is gonna get hammered.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
I wonder how badly though.
nah, it will score mostly 7 imo. A game which has been hammered is knack.
JordoftheDead
Member
I don't think Crytek would be too bothered. If Ryse is an engine pitch much like Gears was to 360 the looks alone make a strong case.
I have never been fond of Crytek games when it comes to content.