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SCE Executive Vice President: Possible enhanced version PS4, no first party for Vita
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This is possible.
ZombiePlatypus
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I highly doubt they'll divide their install base by making exclusive titles for enhanced model.
I picture it as making games look nicer, run smoother, have better Blu-ray and BC.
I'd be very much on board.
I picture it as making games look nicer, run smoother, have better Blu-ray and BC.
I'd be very much on board.
Son Of Sparda
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You are kidding right? "Enhanced" PS4 means worst graphics and performance for the people who have already bought an "standard" PS4 from Sony. How is that NOT fucking over your current install base?
I didn't buy my PS4 as an "standard" version. Sony didn't say anything about making a "better" version when they were selling their "new console" to me.
BrianRoyale
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I would be down for a high performance PS4.
dgrdsv
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All this but the added power really do make sense, sure. That's why it will happen but gaming performance will stay the same of course. PS4slim, as usual.
And as for VR it doesn't matter how much power you have as non-VR usage will always mean better graphics. PS4 is fully capable of handling VR.
Your game would be no different. Mine would just look better
I see no real indications for it not to. These consoles were obviously built with shorter cycles in mind
Chill Penguin
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Enhanced ps4? What's the point of consoles if you're going to split your user base?
Cave Johnson
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Except that's not the narrative it is painted by SONY. It would be nice to know that there is a roadmap for improvements down the line than just surprising us out of the blue. I wouldn't have bought my PS4 if I knew something like this would happen. You can't argue about "traditional console" generation when it isn't presented in that manner since its release. You don't think they'll make every possible effort to make PS 4.1 as appealing as possible?
That's all stupid envy.
"I cant have the best, so other shouldn either"
Bullshit.
eyeball_kid
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Developers like developing for consoles precisely because they DON'T have to support multiple hardware configurations. They can target one platform and optimize for that. What we'd get with a high-end PS4 is developers putting a minimum of effort into optimizing for the base PS4.
Boss Man
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It's not an issue of familiarity. When the console market moves as fast as the PC market there's just not much reason for them to exist anymore.
This is a really great idea. It could be extremely big if Sony or Microsoft did it right. I'd find a way to get 500$ for a new enhanced ps4.
This is so true, Granted I hated wii anything.
Devs like developing for consoles because of MONEY. That is the only thing that matters. The fact that devs are already making games just like this for pc already speaks to how easy it is for them to do so. I really can't understand the ignorance being displayed in this thread.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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A better PS4 would be cool. Especially you finally get those 720 and 900p 30fps games to 1080 60
edit: lol at all the fools who believe new 3DS was a new generational platform
edit: lol at all the fools who believe new 3DS was a new generational platform
Freeman
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It is possible to do this without spliting the userbase, they just need tô be carefull.
Glorified G
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You mean taking the time to understand how to open and replace components within your PC before actually doing the technical work yourself? You realize the reason you're upgrading is because hundreds devs don't have a "Fancy Corndog Gaming PC" as a baseline to develop from as they do with a PS4? And lets not forget actually using it as a gaming machine and juggling between three separate clients with separate user interfaces within one OS just to play the latest games with no unified control method.
And I say this with peace & love because I have a PC and enjoy it but If you're going to say this is cumbersome, I wouldn't compare it to PC gaming.
Son Of Sparda
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No, that's bullshit. We didn't pay $400 knowing that they are just gonna make a better version of the same damn console a few years later. Sony advertised and sold their PS4 as THE home console for this gen, so you can call it whatever you want but making a new better version of the same console is just a scummy move that screws over the people that trusted Sony and bought PS4 early on.
Roberto Larcos
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He's hinted about considering it. That means it's definitely not a 2-year cycle. The last gen was 8 years, for Microsoft anyway - so 'mid-cycle' would be every 4 years. If it's being called a 'mid-cycle' thing, that indicates that the original PS4 would still be receiving all games released for PS4.5 by the time the PS5 rolls around. And hell, the wonders of x86 backwards-compatibility may mean that the PS4.5 may support PS5 games, at lower (1440p?) resolutions, as opposed to 2160p. The gist is, I still don't see any $400 PC getting 8 years of AAA support.
PdotMichael
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The article writer specifically stats that Sony's original vision for the PS4 was to have it be an advanced PS3, with a scaled-up cell processor. The continue structure would allow for not only backward compatibility but also "forward" compatibility.
Although the change to the x86 structure deviated from the original plan, the essentially PC structure of the PC does allow for forward compatibility.
Ito-san also stated that the performance enhancement is something they considered if "it was necessary." (必要なタイミングでの性能強化
So conceptually, it would not be like the New 3DS where certain are only playable on the PS4.1. The PS4 will still be the standard platform, but games may run at a better performance, resolution or image quality on the PS4.x console
(性能強化版の“PS4.1”的なマシンが出たときには，現行のPS4で30fpsだったものが60fpsでプレイできるようになるかもしれない。“PS4.1”的なマシンが性能強化されたうえで，HDMI 2.0に対応すれば4Kネイティブでプレイできるようになるかもしれない。また，HDMI 2.0aに対応していれば，提供されるパッチを当てることで，手持ちのゲームをHDR対応でプレイできるようになるかもしれない。HDリマスター版のようなリメイク版をフルプライスで買い直さずとも，安価に提供される「PS4.x対応パッチ」で，より優れた映像表現の進化バージョンにアップグレードできるような道筋が提供されるようになるかもしれない。")
Again, they're just acknowledging that they've considered the possibility.
I can imagine how Cerny just laughed at that idea of using that piece of shit called Cell again.
An enhanced version with better CPU... mmm so basically could improve just CPU stuff like double fps but GPU wise shouldn't change that much. It's not that bad idea. The enhanced version couldn't run better gpu stuff so the base version wouldn't be screwed from the the developer. It's a curious idea.
When Sony was designing the PS3 they intended for the Cell Processor to be upgradable. It's a good idea in theory but becomes way too hard to market. If they do make a enhanced version of the PS4 it will probably just affect things like 4k Bluray movies and not games. They begin to segment their market and it becomes way too hard to understand for the casual Walmart shopper.
Suzushiiro
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I'd imagine that if they did something like that the deal would be that you wouldn't be allowed to have games/features only work on the higher-spec box- the two would do all the same stuff, but the higher-spec box would look prettier. I mean, that's pretty much the only way that could possibly work- like you say, splitting the user base is a bad idea.
32X failed for different reasons, though. Sega was a mess at the time, they were supporting Genesis, Sega CD, 32X and Saturn. The problem with 32X is that it fragmented the user base.
A possible 'PS4S' would not lock out PS4 from new releases. It would just run everything on lower settings just like PCs. There is no fragmenting the userbase.
Look how successful Apple is doing it with Iphone 5, 5S, etc.
Sony can do it too. Especially considering PS4 is pretty popular among the core games, and not so much of a mass appeal machine like Wii was. Core games would eat up a higher powered machine.
I'll just trade mine in if/when the time comes.
The Last One
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Yeah guys, some of you are sounding like they're really going for it when it's not seen to be the case.
Americanmushroom
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Enhanced is probably:
Ps4 with 512GB SSD
Ps4 with 512GB SSD
How would a two tier system not fragment the current user Base?
Phone makers do it all the time. Gamers need to realise that things move on. Sometimes you don't have the best that's out there and you just need to get over it and enjoy what you have. I imagine Sony would ensure games for the PS4v2 would have to work on the current PS4 so there's really nothing to worry about.
In fact I welcome shit like this and have said as much for years. Console makers should refresh their machines regularly; so long as the software runs on all versions.
Roberto Larcos
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Nah. Hybrid drive.
EventHorizon
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This boggles the mind. How does someone having an enhanced version make your version worse? Your base PS4 version of Uncharted 4 will look exactly the same if an enhanced PS4 comes out or not.
You bought the PS4 for the capabilities that it has. You'd have a point if Sony were to drop support of the base PS4 when an enhanced version came out but, that is not what they are talking about. Now that we've standardized on x86 architecture, we will have forward and backward compatibility with the hardware. Your PS4 will have the exact same support and games that you thought it would have when you bought the console.
Your idea that Sony can't make an enhanced console because you wouldn't have bought the current console if you knew is untenable. You could make the same case about releasing a new console generation or a price cut. There will always be people who bought right before something better came along.
Really we keep jumping around this, but what this boils down to is that some people can't feel good if someone else has something better. I bet these are the same people who complain when an exclusive title for their console of choice goes multi-platform. Nothing at all changes for them, but because somebody else's experience gets better they perceive tat somehow they lost.
They are making better versions all the time.
I got a launch model in November 2013 for a full $399,99. No extra games, only 500GB storage.
Whoever buys a PS4 now is getting a better deal for sure. $349,99, more energy efficient model, 1+ bundled games, sometimes even 1TB storage.
I don't see why offering better value for new models hurts early adopters, I sure got my value's worth being there at launch date, but the company needs to entice new users so it's perfectly fine the deals get better, no?
A slightly better specced machine that runs the same games would not really bother me. If anything, I'll just upgrade. No hard feelings.
PdotMichael
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Games are designed for the lowest commonor on iOS and Android. No one buys a new iPhone to run Clash of Titans.
Apple and co also suffers of shrinking tablet sales because people aren't upgrading their tablets because many people using tablets only as Netflix machines or web browser.
Seriously. I'm still salty with Microsoft for dropping kinect and dropping price a 100$ after a year. What can you do though? Gotta get over it, trade in the old ps4 or whatever.
By allowing everyone to play the same games, together, just like today?
You are playing Destiny 2 on your PS4S at 60fps/1080p. I'm playing coop with you on my launch model at 30fps/1080p just fine as we party chat.
You just get slightly better graphics. It's like this with PC games, people run a multitide of configs and play together.
I'm sorry, I was picturing it in my mind as a new nintendo 3DS type of thing, were certain games wouldn't come to the old model
StereoVsn
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It kind of makes sense both for Sony and Microsoft to stop focusing on "gen" vs upgrading models. Now that both got more or less standard tech (MS still has edram to be fair) and the OS can be standardized on x86 (MS way ahead there for obvious reasons), neither needs to release PS5 or Xbox Two.
They can go PC route and release better hardware ever few years (no need for yearly really) and have all the benefits of backward compatibility as well as no "drought" ever on new hardware release. Boxes are still going to be standardized (might even allow some variants with say 8/16 gb RAM, different hard drives and SSDs, even Disk/No-Disk, couple different CPU models, couple GPU models) and it's going to be easy for Devs to optimize (since the drivers would be provided by Sony/Microsoft and would be unified).
So you may have PS4 Standard (current), High Performance (a bit better hardware), Enthusiast (even better hardware, SSDs, etc...). Devs would provide sliders in games ala PCs, but easier (no need to mess with say Nvidia inspector to set AA or downsample) and things will be fine.
This especially makes sense for MS I would think as they unify their OS architectures and try to spread out their app stores. You could have Xbox PC with Win10, able to play Xbox games and work as a PC at the same time (run a VM for PC operations).
Improved integration for Live and PSN (I really hope for improved PSN
) would play even better into this model.
This still may happen after a few years so by year 5/6 where games may start to release that won't necessarily support original Xbone/PS4 but the new model would be able to play all the old games.
They can go PC route and release better hardware ever few years (no need for yearly really) and have all the benefits of backward compatibility as well as no "drought" ever on new hardware release. Boxes are still going to be standardized (might even allow some variants with say 8/16 gb RAM, different hard drives and SSDs, even Disk/No-Disk, couple different CPU models, couple GPU models) and it's going to be easy for Devs to optimize (since the drivers would be provided by Sony/Microsoft and would be unified).
So you may have PS4 Standard (current), High Performance (a bit better hardware), Enthusiast (even better hardware, SSDs, etc...). Devs would provide sliders in games ala PCs, but easier (no need to mess with say Nvidia inspector to set AA or downsample) and things will be fine.
This especially makes sense for MS I would think as they unify their OS architectures and try to spread out their app stores. You could have Xbox PC with Win10, able to play Xbox games and work as a PC at the same time (run a VM for PC operations).
Improved integration for Live and PSN (I really hope for improved PSN
) would play even better into this model.This still may happen after a few years so by year 5/6 where games may start to release that won't necessarily support original Xbone/PS4 but the new model would be able to play all the old games.
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The Vita is the only PlayStation I haven't own and don't plan on owning. If they did a high performance PS4, it will most likely be just for 4K support and stuff. Not gaming related.
Roberto Larcos
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Honestly, if Sony don't do this, I bet Microsoft are strongly considering it. They know they're behind in power output - it's a hardware problem. An Xbox Two in holiday 2017 that could smash the PS4 out the park graphically. If they could manage that, while not alienating their Xbox One userbase (by retaining forwards compatibility until Xbox Three), they'd get a lot of the gamers that switched to Sony to switch right back.
Just some rough translation, more on 4gamer
On PlayStation VR:
-"Prices and release date will be announced when it is time."
On 4K Blu-ray/Ultra HD Blu-ray:
-"Current PS4 doesn't support Ultra HD Blu-ray."
-"Support is still under consideration."
On PS4 Performance Boost:
-"Can't talk about the specific content."
-"Thinks performance boost might requires a lot of timing when using something better than x86 architecture."
-"So in other words, it is possible."
-"For example, there are ideas such as releasing a standard PS4 and a high performance PS4."
On PS Vita:
-"No first party titles in development for PS Vita currently."
-"Will leave third party devs to do their best."
-"SCE main focus will be on the PS4."
Rumored direction for the NX if I'm not mistaken.
even then that's a single retail game and a single indie game
most of the other games just run better on the new hardware, like Smash and Monster Hunter 4
Always-honest
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Depending on the differences in game performance i might be up for it....
EventHorizon
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Gear VR says hi.
autoduelist
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No, it's actually not. In selling you a slightly better PS4, you'd be removing a primary selling point of consoles for the rest of us. It would be "really fucking stupid" for Sony to undermine a major selling point of consoles, regardless of what early adopters with money to burn think.
Most console owners do not buy into a console at launch, or even in the first 2 years. Those late adopters [the majority] still want to buy in to the 'best/current' technology.
In theory, sure. In practice? There will be problems -- bugs existing in one version but not the other will piss off the relevant base. If a game isn't 'better enough', people will be upset the older system is 'holding developers back'. If performance has major issues on the older system, you'll piss off the 'old base'.
It creates problems. Period. The dreamland where games 'just work/look better' on the better systems is just that, dreamland. Games need to be optimized for each platform, there is no magic 'go faster and increase framerate' button.
It doesn't matter if it's envy, or stupid, or anything else. The vast majority of people that buy consoles do so because they want to be able to pick up the latest game on the shelf and know they're having the 'best' experience consoles can provide. It's a $300ish (after price drops a few years in) plug and play gaming solution. That's what sells and that's a big part of why it sells.
It'll never happen.
Best case scenario is you'll have a PS4 Slim with snappier menus, better wireless speeds, 4K video playback and 60fps game recording. Even if improvements could lead to better game performance and fidelity, I doubt most devs would even bother catering to owners of this hypothetical PS4+ when the vast majority would be on the standard model.
So the future of console gaming is checking performance charts and buying a new processor and graphics card every two years.
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