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September 2010 NPD "Results" [Up3: Dead Rising 2, Metroid, Kingdom Hearts Numbers]
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NeonZ
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Nirolak said:
I don't think there's anything they can do at this point. They can't just create a new big hit just because they need it, and the Wii didn't have a constant stream of software to keep the player base around.
Even considering the downward trend, the current situation was pretty much the best case possible for a system mostly supported just by first party. Now they should release the games on the pipelines, avoiding yet another desert and prepare a different strategy for the next console.
At this point, I don't think they'll launch a new console in 2011, even considering the current situation of the Wii. I previously thought that might happen because I believed they'd be pushing for a 2010 release of the 3DS. However, with a 3DS launch only next year, their next home console should be out only in 2012 (Although I think it probably will be announced in 2011).
Interesting to see Wii's decline.
It must be stressful developing the Wii successor. They probably know they won't be able to catch lightning in a bottle again. Plus, I can't imagine they would release two systems in 2011, they would cannibalize each other. How low will Wii sales get before they eventually release the new one?
It must be stressful developing the Wii successor. They probably know they won't be able to catch lightning in a bottle again. Plus, I can't imagine they would release two systems in 2011, they would cannibalize each other. How low will Wii sales get before they eventually release the new one?
Cosmonaut X
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Nirolak said:
...amusingly appropriate
That'd be a pretty poor plan. It's a new platform and should have a steady stream of new releases (although all these games announced at TGS would already be something, didn't know they might be out so soon).gofreak said:
My guess is that MS won't be releasing many 'core' games in the first half of a year seeing as none of ME2, SC Conviction, Alan Wake or CD2 made a big splash earlier this year (both for software sales and for hardware), that's why they pushed GOW3 back.
plagiarize
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but why pay when there are oh so reliable free numbers?Captain Tuttle said:
could it be because NPDs numbers are worth something and VG CHATZESS are worth nothing?
ho ho, do you see what i did there?
speculation on new console releases... we usually know more than a year in advance when those are coming, so next year to me is totally off the cards. be interesting to be wrong, but we'll see.
plagiarize
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i loved guitar hero 5. i had NO interest in this one. the track listing was too narrow in focus and the bullshit powered up story mode was a step in the complete wrong direction after the no nonsense pick up and instantly start having fun guitar hero 5.Loudninja said:
gcubed said:
No, it very much can.
October should be down for all three consoles, and we'll see how much that means for Microsoft in terms of remaining steam for the redesign and any bump the 360 got from Halo: Reach. November might be a close call, then, but it's very, very possible that Kinect pushes the 360 over the Wii, even with a bump from the new colour. December will then be double whatever each console does in November, so the 360 can definitely take that as well.
Nirolak said:
IMO, Call of Duty is not near as fragile as Guitar Hero. As long as the games remain good, people will buy a CoD game. Although perhaps four a year would kill it... :lol
Guitar Hero (and Rock Band) needed to be treated with kid gloves. Activision really screwed the pooch on that one.
badcrumble
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Yeah, I wonder when we're finally going to see the upshot of the supposed changes coming to the Call of Duty franchise, rather than just rumors and nonspecific talk of subscriptions.
Before everyone gets overconfident, don't forget that the Wii, and Nintendo in particular, are always at their best around the holidays. Their business is very loaded toward the end of the year.
That said, I think there's still a strong pent-up sales demand for replacement 360 consoles and new buyers who waited and waited for hardware that hopefully won't break. I think that's helping drive the 360 sales. We'll know for sure next year around this time.
That said, I think there's still a strong pent-up sales demand for replacement 360 consoles and new buyers who waited and waited for hardware that hopefully won't break. I think that's helping drive the 360 sales. We'll know for sure next year around this time.
lawblob said:
I'm not sure it really matters how low it can get as long as they fix past mistakes (third parties) and get another good, marketable hook. The Gamecube was doing numbers around 40k a month before the Wii came around. It had passed the "on life support" stage sometime in early 2005 and it was basically two years of nothing until the Wii came around. The PS3 was a failed system that was battling the GBA in 2007, and now it's doing 300k in a month (which was pretty regular for the PS2). The DS sold so poorly originally that Nintendo would only release hardware numbers when combined with GBA hardware numbers, and now its total in the US is fast-approaching the PS2's.
badcrumble
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Not really a proper comparison, but how did Guitar Hero: Warriors of Rock stack up next to Brutal Legend's first-month sales across all platforms? Since WoR looks like it's probably the thing that Activision was trying to push on BL before they dropped it and Double Fine took the project to EA.
Cosmonaut X
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JohnsonUT said:
I suspect that a price drop to, say, $150 for the Wii Sports/Wii Sports Resort w. Remote Plus bundle would provide a boost, but I don't know for how long and by how much. Is price really the issue, or is it lack of software? Perhaps there is a huge audience for the console at that price or lower, but is it worth Nintendo risking losing money just to find out that the system stays at around the same monthly sales?
plagiarize
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that's the problem see, 'AS LONG AS THE GAMES REMAIN GOOD' in Guitar Hero they didn't. they started putting out multiple games a year and it diluted the brand in *quality*. did you play GH:Smash Hits or GH:Van Halen?Painraze said:
if COD had games as bad as those two, you can bet that the series would find itself in the same kind of trouble that Guitar Hero now seems to be in.
COD is still seen as a guaranteed good time. it only takes one bad game to break that. Guitar Hero ran into greater competition and two bad games.
Cheech said:
I am sorry to burst your bubble. But total software sales for fiscal year 2009 was 115.6 million units for the PS3 and 103.1 million units for the 360, judging from their financial reports. And Sony's first party output (the games they actually make and sell themselves) are far greater than the 360's, so their cut from software is arguably greater compared to microsoft.
FY2010 may be different of course, but it is hard to conceive how microsoft can DESTROY sony on the software front.
America is not the world ya know.
Sho_Nuff82
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BladeoftheImmortal said:
Fixed? Even if you round 360 Japanese sales down to zero, combined US + Japan sales for the past 4 months have to favor MS, don't they? And MS had a press release after the slim launch stating that they were the #1 selling console in Europe. I wouldn't take it for granted that the PS3 is still catching up.
I'm really going to need to see a reference for that. Especially if you have any data for the last 3-4 months.
Cosmonaut X
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AniHawk said:
To be honest, I think that "Wii in HD!" is actually a pretty solid hook, even if Move will steal a little bit of that thunder
I'm also fairly confident that Nintendo are going to reverse their Wii strategy for its successor and make a strong grab for the core audience right from the outset, just as they have done with the 3DS, with a slate of titles for the expanded audience later in the system's lifespan.
outunderthestars
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lawblob said:
No way they release anything about the next wii until after Christmas 2011. They need the 3DS to have an xmas season alone in the spotlight.
I doubt a Wii price drop would have much of an effect, besides a noticeable yet short bump. Hardware price is far from being the console's biggest problem nowadays, software sales are massively down too and the Wii market has been showing signs of decline for a while.
Keeping the same price for as long as possible, on the other hand, would let Nintendo profit a bit more from each console they sell, and rake in more cash overall till their next move... or at least until the Christmas season, something that always gives them quite a bump in sales, is over.
Keeping the same price for as long as possible, on the other hand, would let Nintendo profit a bit more from each console they sell, and rake in more cash overall till their next move... or at least until the Christmas season, something that always gives them quite a bump in sales, is over.
supermackem
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Dave Long said:
Hmm not sure on this, do you have numbers to back it up as must do there best numbers towards holiday seasons?.
What cant be sniffed at is now both are outselling the wii without any shortages now, is wii on the way down now?. Its crazy this gen we are five years in now but if you owned a wii for alot of that time like alot of the casual market will have done "upgrading" is to buy a machine thats been out before the wii or a machine that came out around the sametime. But they could be classed as an upgrade as hdtvs become even more common place as does internet based stuff like netflix twitter etc.