Snapshot King
Member
What a crock of shit this is turning out to be. Watch this be the case with Eternity, Wasteland and Torment as well. Might as well just burn my fucking money.
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Shadowrun Returns |OT| Never, ever cut a deal with a dragon.
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What a crock of shit this is turning out to be. Watch this be the case with Eternity, Wasteland and Torment as well. Might as well just burn my fucking money.
Nameless One
Banned
So its a 12 hour game with each battle taking about 30 minutes. lol
...now I want Shadowrun: The Musical.
"I'm just a face; my intentions are good / Oh lord, please don't let me be misunderstood"
I wonder if we'll see 'ports' of classic missions, at least in so far as that's viable, or if that's mired in copyright issues. Admittedly, we are seeing the adaptation of the SNES version, which at least appears to be being tolerated by whoever owns the license.
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
I wonder if serious RPG players have a clear tendency one way or the other. I'm never quite comfortable with being the bad guy.
The reason I ask is from the POV of directing effort; with limited resources, which strategy benefits the most people; focusing a little more on the good guy, focussing a little more on the bad guy, or balancing both equally but making sacrifices elsewhere to accomodate that.
Snapshot King
Member
Oh great. The total biscuit review shows off the options menu, with no interface options of any kind. Great. Well that's a wasted 50 bucks.
Why, though? I've kept games running for days. As long as you have the memory (and this game doesn't seem too heavy on that).
Yep. I've had Civilization and FTL running while playing Guild Wars 2.
(I realize that I am a silly person)
I hope it's not a 5-hour game with 7 hours of padding...
None of the reviews mention the games length as being an issue. As it stands the games length is probably very variable considering how your skills affect how fast you complete battles (going into the matrix etc) or if you even have to battle at all. Basically after the Dishonored prerelease shit-show (people complaining the game was 7 hours long), I pay no attention to stuff like that.
I've had way too many games crash when trying to return to them after having remained alt-tabbed out for any decent period of time to be comfortable with that.
Chance Hale
Member
Max Payne 3 is the only game in recent memory that comes to mind that seems to have a 50/50 chance of crashing when I alt tab back into it.
Excited for this though, will be my first Shadowrun game. One thing I'm a bit confused about when people speak of the linearity. There appear to be alternate routes and the like but will dialogue options actually affect what happens next? I figured as much but then there are snippets of reviews suggesting that's not always the case.
Excited for this though, will be my first Shadowrun game. One thing I'm a bit confused about when people speak of the linearity. There appear to be alternate routes and the like but will dialogue options actually affect what happens next? I figured as much but then there are snippets of reviews suggesting that's not always the case.
Those are badly written games then.
Though, considering the saving troubles, that's probably not a possibility which can be discounted for this game.
Whats with the save system?
There are no manual saves. The entire game runs on an autosave/checkpoint system. Apparently you can do a lot of customization and stuff, talk to people, prepare for missions, and if you want to save and exit after that, you can't manually do it and you could lose all that work if the checkpoint was before that.
Ah that sucks. Any reason they would choose the save system that way so people would need to replay the game for different choices instead of loading savestates or something?
Does it at least tell you when it saves?
I don't think they chose it as a design decision. It's apparently a limitation of how they're coding the game or something. They've addressed it before and they don't seem to be able to change it. Maybe it'll be fixed in a patch if enough people buy the game? Lol.
No idea. The game hasn't unlocked for me yet. Just what I read about it.
BlackLagoon
Member
Actually, they ditched Moai and switched to Unity during development, so it's not the engine that's holding them back. Probably mostly just that they're a mobile dev, doing things the way they're used to.
It's probably something along the lines of not wanting to code the infrastructure to be able to save/restore the state of the game environment on the fly; checkpointing allows them to always have a prescribed game state to load into so the only thing they need to store is the player and progression data.
I've worked on that sort of infrastructure, and to be fair, it can easily be a big, messy - and therefore expensive - job. That said, it's also something that's significantly harder to do if you've not planned around it from the very start of development, so I don't think you should expect it to be modded in either. But then, all of this is guesswork, and nothing is really impossible.
The more worrying thing is the fact that with well-placed checkpoints this shouldn't be *too* much of an issue, but the mention of having to repeat a bunch of busywork because the game didn't checkpoint after it is somewhat distressing, and suggests they may not have placed the checkpoints that well.
We'll see, anyhow, not long to go!
I've worked on that sort of infrastructure, and to be fair, it can easily be a big, messy - and therefore expensive - job. That said, it's also something that's significantly harder to do if you've not planned around it from the very start of development, so I don't think you should expect it to be modded in either. But then, all of this is guesswork, and nothing is really impossible.
The more worrying thing is the fact that with well-placed checkpoints this shouldn't be *too* much of an issue, but the mention of having to repeat a bunch of busywork because the game didn't checkpoint after it is somewhat distressing, and suggests they may not have placed the checkpoints that well.
We'll see, anyhow, not long to go!
This is my main question since it doesn't really make sense to me. I feel like tons of games have checkpoints but will pop up a rotating icon, or a checkpoint reached icon, and may print a message when you start up saying HEY, DO NOT TURN OFF POWER WHEN THIS ICON SHOWS UP SINCE IT MEANS THE GAME IS SAVING.
If this game doesn't have any notification of when it saves, then how would you even know if it's safe to quit to the main menu? How could you ever know it was safe to exit the game?
It looks like the editor and fan-made content won't be compatible with the mobile versions, which is a massive omission. That version has also been delayed a few weeks so there's not much info on it, but the save system will most likely be identical to the PC one unless they update the PC version to have manual saves.
No you are not the only one. I get dates like this to build up marketing and give reviewers time, so that more people will buy it when it launches. The thing is we funded it and should be playing once it's done.
Riposte
Member
Sounds like they handled checkpoints terribly. Would still prefer checkpoints done right (e.g. the game knowing players don't ever want to repeat stuff like talking to NPCs), than manual saving. An exception to this is temp saves, which it sounds like this game is in dire need of.
FaustsBoon
Member
So, I've got TWO copies of Shadowruns Returns to give away in this thread.
Here's how it works. Go do something nice for someone who needs it. It could be putting a $1.00 in the hands of a homeless person, or hugging someone you love who looks sad. Anything counts... and it doesn't have to cost a penny.
First two people who post something nice that they did since reading this, get the games. No catches... and we're just going on the honor system.
Ok... Go.
Here's how it works. Go do something nice for someone who needs it. It could be putting a $1.00 in the hands of a homeless person, or hugging someone you love who looks sad. Anything counts... and it doesn't have to cost a penny.
First two people who post something nice that they did since reading this, get the games. No catches... and we're just going on the honor system.
Ok... Go.
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
Spend 1 hour adjusting your equipment, emergency pops up. No save point? Lulz
I'm starting to regret getting this game...
Empty Space
Member
So, I've got TWO copies of Shadowruns Returns to give away in this thread.
Here's how it works. Go do something nice for someone who needs it. It could be putting a $1.00 in the hands of a homeless person, or hugging someone you love who looks sad. Anything counts... and it doesn't have to cost a penny.
First two people who post something nice that they did since reading this, get the games. No catches... and we're just going on the honor system.
Ok... Go.
I'm sitting here waiting for someone to help them prepare for a Core Bio exam, because our professor is awful, but still gives astoundingly difficult examines. Thankfully I took AP Bio so its easy for me and I can help my classmates. I guess I haven't done the good thing yet, but will in the next 5-10mins I don't know if that counts.
Alt-tab, go back to the game later on.
So, I've got TWO copies of Shadowruns Returns to give away in this thread.
Here's how it works. Go do something nice for someone who needs it. It could be putting a $1.00 in the hands of a homeless person, or hugging someone you love who looks sad. Anything counts... and it doesn't have to cost a penny.
First two people who post something nice that they did since reading this, get the games. No catches... and we're just going on the honor system.
Ok... Go.
My neighbor wants me to play roleplaying games with him tonight, i don't really like, and im not into it that much, but he has no one else to play with so i'm seeing this as a sign,
im going over there tonight
The save system thing sucks hard, but I was already aware of this, I was mostly expecting good writing and setting, and looks like I'll get it, which is great, but I completely understand people disappointed. Let's hope the Berlin campaign is better, and the editor is good enough for people to make different kinds of games.
FaustsBoon
Member
Empty Space, and Neonille... Your game key pm is incoming.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Perfectly normal, I keep dota open pretty much 24/7 while playing other games or doing other stuff.
You just kind of forget that it's there and forget to close it, doesn't affect performance anyway. (it's running right now as well)
(not defending the save system though, what a load of crap)
So, I've got TWO copies of Shadowruns Returns to give away in this thread.
Here's how it works. Go do something nice for someone who needs it. It could be putting a $1.00 in the hands of a homeless person, or hugging someone you love who looks sad. Anything counts... and it doesn't have to cost a penny.
First two people who post something nice that they did since reading this, get the games. No catches... and we're just going on the honor system.
Ok... Go.
I saw a homeless person so I gave him my unopened breakfast from subway. Does that count? I mean it's subway.
The reviewable copy may well not *quite* be fit for mass public consumption yet.
If RPS likes it it should be fine.
My neighbor wants me to play roleplaying games with him tonight, i don't really like, and im not into it that much, but he has no one else to play with so i'm seeing this as a sign,
im going over there tonight
Twist: Faustboom is your neighbor, and this is his way of getting you to join in.
Doomshroom
Member
Keeping my fingers crossed for a PS4 realese.
Well, it's been discussed in the thread, but there's different opinions on how bad it is. You're not going to get any concrete responses until we've actually been able to play the game, though.
FaustsBoon
Member
I'm sorry man... you just missed it, but you know what? PM me your Steam ID and i'll buy you a copy.
But no more folks... i'm already poor.
Not to be debbie downer, but that probably won't ever happen because:
- Microsoft owns the IP - this is the major issue
- Isometric RPGs like this stopped being made largely because of consoles, so being on one probably won't happen (this includes Wasteland 2, Torment and Project Eternity)