Skyward Sword review thread [Newest Reviews - Cubed3 10/10, GC: A, AusGamers: 7/10]

Gigglepoo said:
The aiming is messed up in Zelda no matter how its handled. And that"s all from me tonight

Interesting that no one else had any trouble with it, huh Gigglepoo? Maybe you should turn off your magnetic field generator that you turned on so that you could complain about how Zelda is the worst game ever and get all the hits.
 
AniHawk said:
different people review different games and come to different conclusions.

I suppose you are right, but I always thought that to some degree reviewers would take into consideration what other games (especially in the same genre) were scored on the specific website/publication they are writing the review for.

Afterall, an 8.0 from one publication is something considered different than an 8.0 from another.

I guess those are two different philosophies at play though.
 
When will we realize (as a community) to grow up and not need to concern ourselves with "reviews"? It's an outdated and achaic trope that serves no other consumer but internet fanboys, a mass majority of gamers never read or care about "reviews". If these reviews were a matter of listing the pros and cons (from performance to overall value) for paying customers and based themselves on credibilty of reader/customer satisfaction...we might have something to argue about.

But as it stands we have almost an entire "journalistic review tent" who are nothing more than a bunch of payed nerds who sit around and play videogames and leverage a "subjective blog" as a legitimate source of buyer/enthuist INET drama. God forbid they have a almighty podcast or impressions about X or Y, their other contributions to the industry, what would we do without them. Not to mention this garners massive hits and ad cash too. And that's fine, let the market decide there's nothing wrong with subjective opinion pieces, but let's start to treat it for what it is and not get so serious about it.
 
BertramCooper said:
I'm convinced that people like this just flat-out don't care for the series. And there's nothing inherently wrong with that.

But if you change the series to the extent that these reviewers seem to want, it's no longer Zelda. And who the hell wants that to happen?

Bingo. I've been saying this for years. It seems the games media for the most part always wants something new and fresh. They don't seem to care about great level design or great gameplay. They want Zelda to change to the point where it's just a Zelda skin but a totally different game. If you want change so bad, just play a different IP. Some people (myself included) actually like the tried and true and are just looking for more of it. Something that was fantastic 5, 10, 15, 25 years ago can still be fantastic today.
 
TheExplodingHead said:
When will we realize (as a community) to grow up and not need to concern ourselves with "reviews"? It's an outdated and achaic trope that serves no other consumer but internet fanboys, a mass majority of gamers never read or care about "reviews". It these reviews were a matter of listing the pros and cons (from performance to overall value) for paying customers and based themselves on credibilty of reader/customer satisfaction...we might have something to argue about.

But as it stands we have almost an entire "journalistic review tent" who are nothing more than a bunch of payed nerds who sit around and play videogames and leverage a "subjective blog" as a legitimate source of buyer/enthuist INET drama. God forbid they have a almighty podcast or impressions about X or Y, their other contributions to the industry, what would we do without them. Not to mention is garners massive hits and ad cash too. And that's fine, let the market decide there's nothing wrong with subjective opinion pieces, but let's start to treat it for what it is and not get so serious about it.

I agree with you.

I don't use reviews to dictate what games I purchase anymore. In fact, I have the games I want pre-oredered weeks to months in advance. It is however, fun to see what everyone else thinks about the game.
 
At the end of the day a review is the opinion of the individual who played through the game. Nothing more, nothing less. The last 10 years have seen review scores become pointless in many ways , if anything the recent meltdowns over uncharted 3 and zelda just further showcase how people don't care what a game gets.... as long as it's a 9 or 10

I've been on the net for a long time , just like most people my age and I too was once a teenager that angrily disagreed with 1 review or another wondering what kind of crack joe critic had smoked that week to think he could give the likes of "anticipated game I wanted to play X" a score of "less then I was hoping".

Sometimes I'm still guilty of shaking my head a bit at the "bad review" for something I'm interested in or a "good review" for something that I think looks like crap. The thing is though, again, these are all opinions. Opinions can be ignored , agreed with, disagreed with but no one is ever wrong. I mean , would people rather every site/magazine out there use IGN's rating scale ? sure, it's basically 100 points but they only really use 90-100 at this point. It's like they gave up, realized that showing honesty when reviewing something cost them money and fans. Occasionally honesty and integrity overlap and it works out for them but most of the time you get "this game is going to sell 5 million copies and everyone wants to play it so we're giving it a 9/10 but it's actually closer to a 6 if we used the scale we came up with but that would piss of fans and cost us publisher advertising so 9 it is!". Sure , IGN does occasionally hate on a game but notice how the tend to REALLY trash stuff that's bad? you don't see 5 or 6 or even 7 handed out often, instead you get 3 or 4. That's what the fanbase wants to see and it does wonders over there but someones gotta bite the bullet and use the full point scale.

I just really wish ALL these sites would simply do away with scores all around. At the end of the day people just want to hear their anticipated game is fun. If there simply must be a number affixed to that, how about just using a single word rating at the end of a review ? It's either a BUY or maybe just a PLAY and at the end of the spectrum an AVOID. No math, no in between, no scale. With the way games are currently rated, converting to something like this would be simple- anything over a 7.0 would be a BUY, 5-6.9 a PLAY and anything 4.9 or lower gets an AVOID. Sure it might put metacritic and score aggregates out of business but they do nothing aside from perpetuating this over-reliance on quantifying a games enjoyability with numbers.

TL;DR- Just play the game for yourselves and form your own opinion, who knows you might surprise yourself and have the same issues, or you'll look past them. :D
 
Gigglepoo just said that he loves Zelda.

So he's probably comparing Skyward Sword to the previous Zeldas, and gave it a 7.5.

Why is Zelda the only game compared to Zelda on this scale? I wish Reviewers would rate other games this tough, lol
 
nckillthegrimace said:
Interesting that no one else had any trouble with it, huh Gigglepoo?
Maybe you shouldn't speak for everyone? I expressed concerns with it after playing the demo too. It's far from ideal though ultimately you can live with it and it doesn't harm the gameplay. I'd still far prefer sensor bar based pointing which works flawlessly 100% of the time and doesn't drift off eventually requiring recalibration. That said, the pointing in TP wasn't ideal either, they somehow made it laggy compared to other common implementations. It was still more reliable than in SS though.

Crunched said:
Cool. No wait, sad.
 
Originally Posted by TyRaNtM:
Why Metacritic updated so fast this review in the scores, and there others reviews that still aren't added there?

amtentori said:
i smell a conspiracy

Well, if you say something like this, you can see that Metacritic.com at the bottom of their page, has a big GameSpot icon, so your commentary isn't weird.
 
Jarlaxle said:
Bingo. I've been saying this for years. It seems the games media for the most part always wants something new and fresh. They don't seem to care about great level design or great gameplay. They want Zelda to change to the point where it's just a Zelda skin but a totally different game. If you want change so bad, just play a different IP. Some people (myself included) actually like the tried and true and are just looking for more of it. Something that was fantastic 5, 10, 15, 25 years ago can still be fantastic today.

the review complains about filler content, poor controls, and unnecessarily outdated design.

i would be happy to play a zelda game like that.
 
Gigglepoo said:
Hey, GS reviewer here. Two quick things while I walk home. 1 - I love Zelda games (which is why I reviewed this) and did enjoy SS despite its flaws. 2 - Sorry for any spoilers. I tried not to give anything major away but I do have to point out specific things if I'm going to properly critique.

Thanks for not making fun of my weight!

oh crap :O

canofworms.jpg
 
JohngPR said:
Games that are better or just as good as Skyward Sword (according to Gamespot):

Saint's Row The Third
Sonic Generations
Skylanders
Driver: San Francisco
Cars 2: The Video Game
Red Faction: Armageddon
Kinectimals
Fable III

I don't think I can make a plain face big enough to express myself right now.

And you played all those games along with Skyward Sword ?
 
BY2K said:
Some people here are making this whole situation sound way worse than it is.

people came to the coliseum and want blood. :P

TheGreatMightyPoo said:
I'm just angry that a regular poster here is a game reviewer.

Next thing you know, fucking Anihawk will be scoring games for real.

umm what?

That is one of the best things about neogaf. ppl in the industry occasionally drop by (or even better, are regulars!)

reviewers are videogame enthusiasts, and neogaf is the best videogame forum ...
 
Gez said:
Man and i thought Sony fanboys where the worst.
Even though the Uncharted 3 8/10 thing was bad the worst review reaction is still 8.8.

If anything these reactions for skyward sword reviews are a bit weak, probably because they just saw the Uncharted 3 foolishness and learnt a bit.
 
DCharlie said:
on reviews? NONE

There's no point.

Gaming tastes are as unique as musical tastes. Someone could play Celine Dion to me all year and profess she's a 10/10 performer with at 10/10 album and i won't budge my opinion.

Gaming tastes are the same. So quite why people care what someone elses take on a particular game is beyond me - especially when you couple in a strong wiff of people who -haven't- played the game yet moaning about scores.

In an ideal world - i'd want the -hardcore- gaming community to look at a review and go "like i give a fuck" (good or bad) - but we don't. People are invested up to the hilt and it's just mindboggling to watch.
then i would avoid clicking on review threads.
 
JaseC said:
So, it took him two weeks to complete the game. That sounds fair.

This is a full time job for him right? If so from the 2nd to the 11th should be more then enough time. What else would he be doing at the "office" if not playing the game in order to write his review? Even if you cut out the weekends that should still be enough time. You don't have to 100% everything and given the nature of meeting a deadline he shouldn't be taking his time to crawl through all sections. He claims he's a Zelda fan as well. If so that counts against needing extra time to finish as well since he'd have experience with playing Zelda games and tackling puzzles and dungeons in the series.
 
TheGreatMightyPoo said:
I'm just angry that a regular poster here is a game reviewer.

Next thing you know, fucking Anihawk will be scoring games for real.

He's not the only one, you know.
 
Crunched said:
I don't have any issue with people disagreeing with a review, but I think it's funny how many instantly jump on it for "trolling" or "begging for hits."

A 10 is a rarer score than a 7.5, more out of the ordinary, but the 10s SS received didn't seem to garner the same sort of attention.
It's because of something called context. The Zelda series is arguably one of the greatest gaming series of all time, where a mainline console title averaging under the 90% range being outside of the norm. Thus if a Zelda game receives a great or even 'perfect' score, it's not a huge deal -- rather expected and merely confirms the hype surrounding it.

The review pegged it for having control issues (which could or could not justify the score, depending on how damaging, blatant, and common it is), being more of the same, and lacking challenge. It never really faults it for straying away from the Zelda formula in any truly negative way. To me, as long as a Zelda game plays like a Zelda game, it's a great game. Now I can't speak for everyone, but this makes me skeptical. I won't really know until after I play it.
 
Hellsing321 said:
There hasn't been anything as bad as the reaction to the Uncharted 3 review yet.
Dont worry Its getting there. I just dont like it when people make character assassinations based on someones opinion on a consumer product. Is a reviewer not entitled to his or her say?
 
Kenak said:
It's because of something called context. The Zelda series is arguably one of the greatest gaming series of all time, where a mainline console title averaging under the 90% range being outside of the norm. Thus if a Zelda game receives a great or even 'perfect' score, it's not a huge deal -- rather expected and merely confirms the hype surrounding it.

The review pegged it for having control issues (which could or could not justify the score, depending on how damaging, blatant, and common it is), being more of the same, and lacking challenge. It never really faults it for straying away from the Zelda formula in any truly negative way. To me, as long as a Zelda game plays like a Zelda game, it's a great game. Now I can't speak for everyone, but this makes me skeptical. I won't really know until after I play it.
Skeptical of what? That he might think differently from you?
 
about the GS score...

well, it's not like everyone likes all the games the same. the game probably didn't have what the reviewer expected.
clearly, most of the other reviewers got what they wanted so it is better to judge by playing the game.

(seriously, who's stupid enough to cancel their preorder over this?)
 
Effect said:
This is a full time job for him right? If so from the 2nd to the 11th should be more then enough time. What else would he be doing at the "office" if not playing the game in order to write his review? Even if you cut out the weekends that should still be enough time. You don't have to 100% everything.

ok. the thread is getting weird.,,

ppl need to .. relax
 
leroidys said:
OK so I aint even mad gamespot. I don't care about your score, SS could well deserve a 7.5, I can't say because I haven't played it. But JESUS FUCKING CHRIST they need an editor up in this bitch.

Uh...those commas are used properly. "Thankfully, other staples, such as exquisite dungeon design and enticing collectibles, are also present, and the clever storytelling keeps you invested," is a grammatically correct sentence. The comma after "thankfully" sets off the introductory phrases. The commas around "such as exquisite dungeon design and enticing collectibles" signify that it's a phrase modifying "staples." The comma before "and" is the comma you put before a conjunction linking two separate sentences into one.
 
Effect said:
This is a full time job for him right? If so from the 2nd to the 11th should be more then enough time. What else would he be doing at the "office" if not playing the game in order to write his review? Even if you cut out the weekends that should still be enough time. You don't have to 100% everything.
Well, you have also to consider that he probably had the game for a long time, it was just that the embargo was there.
 
leroidys said:
Also tons of garbage filler words. Words like Thankfully, Ultimately, However, Rather, Although start almost every single sentence.

This is not me cherry picking either. This is all from two contiguous paragraphs at the start of the article.

Heh, I was thinking "Fuck, I do that too." Definitely not in the span of 2 paragraphs though.
 
Gez said:
Dont worry Its getting there. I just dont like it when people make character assassinations based on someones opinion on a consumer product. Is a reviewer not entitled to his or her say?

yes exactly

but my impression is that people are reviewing the review in a sense. so it follows that theyre entitled to their opinions as well.
 
*sigh*

"Good" score now equals "trolling for hits" or "reviews don't matter anymore."

I guess there's no such thing as a valid "good" review for a blockbuster game according to the Internet. If there is, I've never seen one.

I would prefer if people just went crazy; at least that was fun to watch. This is just frustrating.

I'll come back in 6 months and people will be saying "Tom McShea was right. It totally is just a 'good' game," just like Gerstmann with Twilight Princess.
 
I suppose I'd have to get back to you to answer your question since I haven't played Skyward Sword.

I did play Kinectimals though and it's a cute game and all but I'm preeeetty sure I'll get more out of Skyward Sword.

:p
 
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