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[TheGreatMightyPoo]

people came to the coliseum and want blood.



umm what?

That is one of the best things about neogaf. ppl in the industry occasionally drop by (or even better, are regulars!)

reviewers are videogame enthusiasts, and neogaf is the best videogame forum ...

Developers, sure, it's cool.

Reviewers???

Not so much.

I can't for the life of me say that anything on the internet, let alone a messageboard is the "best" but that's me.

 

[apana]

GameSpot Review

7.5 ... Tom McShea.

I saw this coming lol - I haven't read it ... but I usually always disagreed with his reviews regarding Wii controls and I'm pretty sure this will be no different.

Are we still grieving or have we moved on to anger?

 

[Orayn]

http://i52.tinypic.com/2hz4sv8.jpg[IMG]

Are we still grieving or have we moved on to anger?[/QUOTE]
We decided just to stay at numbness.

 

[JaseC]

This is a full time job for him right? If so from the 2nd to the 11th should be more then enough time. What else would he be doing at the "office" if not playing the game in order to write his review? Even if you cut out the weekends that should still be enough time. You don't have to 100% everything.

Theoretically, yes; but, apparently, in this case, no. We don't know if his sole duty during the past two weeks was to complete the game and write his review.

 

[BY2K]

All of a sudden this Mega64 video is super relevant.

Perfect timing lol.

It's no where near that bad. It's no where near the level of hate the Eurogamer review of Uncharted 3 got.

Good God, people. Stop making it sound worse than it is.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

That's one thing I love about GAF.

Every time I think my grip on sanity is leaving I read a review thread and realize I'm farther away from the fall than a lot of you.

 

[DevilWillcry]

Hopefully people relax before it escalates.

Seems many already are.

I get the feeling that the drama queen rants will come in a few hours. On the subject of Skyward Sword- lolololol preorder canceled lololololol

Spoiler

I'm getting a free copy

 

[friskykillface]

Haha 7.5 0_o rou ouh.

I'll read the review now.

 

[nckillthegrimace]

Maybe you shouldn't speak for everyone? I expressed concerns with it after playing the demo too. It's far from ideal though ultimately you can live with it and it doesn't harm the gameplay. I'd still far prefer sensor bar based pointing which works flawlessly 100% of the time and doesn't drift off eventually requiring recalibration. That said, the pointing in TP wasn't ideal either, they somehow made it laggy compared to other common implementations. It was still more reliable than in SS though.

I was joking, and I thought I made that pretty clear.

 

[boiled goose]

Developers, sure, it's cool.

Reviewers???

Not so much.

I can't for the life of me say that anything on the internet, let alone a messageboard is the "best" but that's me.

least worst?

I was joking, and I thought I made that pretty clear.

thank god.

 

[EatChildren]

Is Yoshichan okay?

 

[shintoki]

Are we still grieving or have we moved on to anger?

ANGER!

Rawr!

 

[DCharlie]

then i would avoid clicking on review threads.

tis a good point! However, these threads are sort've morphing outside of the thread itself. Uncharted 3 prior and now Zelda.

Ultimately GAF is now becoming synonimous with stupidly OTT knee jerk reactions.

 

[Nintaiyo]

I'm just angry that a regular poster here is a game reviewer.

Next thing you know, fucking Anihawk will be scoring games for real.

Did you just discredit your own point while trying to make said point?

And besides, Jeff Green posts here. 'Nuff said.

 

[walking fiend]

Well, there may be some funny point about this.

His major complain about the game is control, and he specifically talks about IR...

Maybe he had been trying to use IR to control the bow or something whole of the game? It definitely would be a heavy burden on the whole experience. I guess I would say the controls were broken in that case too. I mean, maybe he really thought the controls were broken?

Also, wasn't U3 known to have control issues?

He doesn't mention that in his review either. I guess this guy isn't really good with controls maybe...

 

[AniHawk]

Bingo. I've been saying this for years. It seems the games media for the most part always wants something new and fresh. They don't seem to care about great level design or great gameplay. They want Zelda to change to the point where it's just a Zelda skin but a totally different game. If you want change so bad, just play a different IP. Some people (myself included) actually like the tried and true and are just looking for more of it. Something that was fantastic 5, 10, 15, 25 years ago can still be fantastic today.

i'd like them to go back to the basics and actually make a zelda game that's about adventure. i love the story in zelda games. i am a fanboy of the series that way, but i love the puzzles and exploration more. the first legend of zelda was inspired by miyamoto exploring caves and the woods when he was a kid. it's the only zelda game that's like that. shadow of the colossus had elements that felt more like the first zelda game in 3d than recent titles.

i think they should keep stuff like towns, upgrades, the story, and all that, but make the idea focused more on the adventure of it. i think the zelda team's grown stale. they look at the ds and go, 'how do we make a zelda on this? touch controls.' they look at the wii and go, 'how do we make a zelda on this? motion controls.'

they need to be inspired again. go out and explore, find that spark. or give it to someone who has that spark. the guy who made mario galaxy very clearly wanted to trade off.

 

[Cygnus X-1]

I'm going to receive the game today. And I'll see you's right and who's wrong. Anyway I find hard to classify Gamespot's review as believable since there are so many 10/10 from believable editors.

It's really hard, but I'm going to take what he says into account. And I hope anyway, as stated before, that from now on the Zelda franchise will be developed from a different team, for once.

 

[Raziel]

awww sheit. this thread was only teetering on being on the level of the uncharted 3 review thread, now gamespot has removed all doubt

 

[Apath]

*sigh*

"Good" score now equals "trolling for hits" or "reviews don't matter anymore."

I guess there's no such thing as a valid "good" review for a blockbuster game according to the Internet. If there is, I've never seen one.

I would prefer if people just went crazy; at least that was fun to watch. This is just frustrating.

I'll come back in 6 months and people will be saying "Tom McShea was right. It totally is just a 'good' game," just like Gerstmann with Twilight Princess.

Let's be real here: most of us don't see a 7.5 game and think "Wow, this is a solid game!" Instead we see it as merely average, like a solid C on a test.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Is Yoshichan okay?

I don't think so.

Stumpy put him in my cage and he just stays in the corner weeping about "7.5!"

 

[BY2K]

Is Yoshichan okay?

He hasn't posted once yet.

Considering his reaction last time, I think it's a good thing.

Also, you just want to ban someone, don't you?

 

[JordanLMiller]

So... I'm not reading for fear of spoilers but could someone tell me what his complaints are?

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

It's no where near that bad. It's no where near the level of hate the Eurogamer review of Uncharted 3 got.

Good God, people. Stop making it sound worse than it is.

EatChildren is the only one that can properly score The Legend of Zelda: Skyward or Downward Meltdown.

 

[boiled goose]

Is Yoshichan okay?

haha. good question...

The 8s got to him pretty bad. Im sure you put the score in the title to make sure he doesnt miss it. LOL

 

[Levyne]

Not talking about Gigglepoo's review specifically, but I've never understood why Zelda games always seem to be unable to avoid the "It's too same-y" dialogue, when plenty of other series don't even register the question. And in most cases, not much information is given on what should be changed to prevent the "same-y ness"?

Do people really want Zelda to play like Skyrim?

I mean, what are people looking for? Why would you expect any series (whether near-universally-liked like Zelda or something less liked, like say, Sly Cooper, Rachet and Clank) to deviate far from the fundamentals of the series?

Not being coy.. for instance I don't care much for the God of War series, but I'm not going to write up why God of War should be more like Mario because I like Mario games better.

 

[guek]

Uh...those commas are used properly. "Thankfully, other staples, such as exquisite dungeon design and enticing collectibles, are also present, and the clever storytelling keeps you invested," is a grammatically correct sentence. The comma after "thankfully" sets off the introductory phrases. The commas around "such as exquisite dungeon design and enticing collectibles" signify that it's a phrase modifying "staples." The comma before "and" is the comma you put before a conjunction linking two separate sentences into one.

It may be grammatically correct, but that doesn't stop it from being a poorly written sentence.


(yes I came back, couldn't help myself >_<)

 

[AniHawk]

I'm just angry that a regular poster here is a game reviewer.

Next thing you know, fucking Anihawk will be scoring games for real.

have no fear, i am a fucking terrible writer.

if i did though, i'd be using the full ten point scale. people would hate it. in the reviews i've written for gaf they go:

mirror's edge - 10
valkyria chronicles - 9
super meat boy - 8
spirit tracks - 7
uncharted 2 - 7
sonic colors - 7
ocarina of time 3d - 6
kirby's epic yarn - 5
trauma team - 4
metroid prime - 4
donkey kong country returns - 4
heavy rain - 3

 

[Broder Salsa]

Jeff wasn't that bad after all, huh?

Spoiler

GS has been shit for some time now

 

[Hellsing321]

I was joking, and I thought I made that pretty clear.

That was good though. Thats the kind of stuff we need if we want another article about how bad GAF is. We all need to dig deep and release our socially retarded manchild. For some of us that will be easier to do than others but if we work together we can do this.

 

[kayos90]

For all of you complaining about the score, have you even read the review. It seems like he likes the game for the most part but inconsistent controls and stale elements of the series was what warranted it being not an excellent Zelda title. While the score is absolutely shocking, I think that his claim is justified. 7.5 is still a good game.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Did you just discredit your own point while trying to make said point?

And besides, Jeff Green posts here. 'Nuff said.

No.

Good for him.

 

[baekshi]

Looks like reviews are going to take same route as uncharted, wait until we get 5/10 >__>

 

[Thunder Monkey]

have no fear, i am a fucking terrible writer.

I bet I'm better at bad writing than you!

 

[Nintaiyo]

Let's be real here: most of us don't see a 7.5 game and think "Wow, this is a solid game!" Instead we see it as merely average, like a solid C on a test.

Maybe you should look a few pixels below the "7.5".

 

[Feep]

Gamespot 7.5?

Pressure's off me. Fuck yeah.

 

[boiled goose]

i'd like them to go back to the basics and actually make a zelda game that's about adventure. i love the story in zelda games. i am a fanboy of the series that way, but i love the puzzles and exploration more. the first legend of zelda was inspired by miyamoto exploring caves and the woods when he was a kid. it's the only zelda game that's like that. shadow of the colossus had elements that felt more like the first zelda game in 3d than recent titles.

i think they should keep stuff like towns, upgrades, the story, and all that, but make the idea focused more on the adventure of it. i think the zelda team's grown stale. they look at the ds and go, 'how do we make a zelda on this? touch controls.' they look at the wii and go, 'how do we make a zelda on this? motion controls.'

they need to be inspired again. go out and explore, find that spark. or give it to someone who has that spark. the guy who made mario galaxy very clearly wanted to trade off.

QFT
QFT
QFT
just said this exact same thing a few pages back.

Well, there may be some funny point about this.

His major complain about the game is control, and he specifically talks about IR...

Maybe he had been trying to use IR to control the bow or something whole of the game? It definitely would be a heavy burden on the whole experience. I guess I would say the controls were broken in that case too. I mean, maybe he really thought the controls were broken?

actually a legitimate concern if he kept trying to aim with the front of the wiimote pointed to the screen haha.

 

[-COOLIO-]

tis a good point! However, these threads are sort've morphing outside of the thread itself. Uncharted 3 prior and now Zelda.

Ultimately GAF is now becoming synonimous with stupidly OTT knee jerk reactions.

these threads are doing you a favor though. you could either have some runoff from these threads in legitimate game discussion threads, or have full on the review discussions in those threads (which you'd prefer not to see).

 

[EmCeeGramr]

oh no feep will finally be able to drop the drama queen thing

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Gamespot 7.5?

Pressure's off me. Fuck yeah.

The only pressure on you is a certain someones hand riding up your thigh.

 

[The M.O.B]

have no fear, i am a fucking terrible writer.

When has that stopped people from becoming game journalists?

 

[TheNatural]

It's not too bad right now, but here's the list:























































In response to the reviewer posting in this thread:


Have we learned nothing






There's less anger here and more a directed attempt to discredit his review.

I'm sure Big One has said something dumb, but I'm not taking him off ignore to see.

I'm not trying to discredit his review, I'm trying to find out the reasoning for his review. Write a review and back it up with reasons, whether it be 6.0 or 10.0.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

have no fear, i am a fucking terrible writer.

Amirox can be your editor/translator.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

Oh boy...can't say that I or others here didn't expect this.

Mirror Shield deflection should prove to be entertaining...SHOW ME YOUR RAAAAGE

 

[DCharlie]

Let's be real here: most of us don't see a 7.5 game and think "Wow, this is a solid game!" Instead we see it as merely average, like a solid C on a test

again though - is anyone who decided to pick the game up going to be swayed by this one review, even fence sitters?

i fully admit to being dubious about SS, but i'm STILL going to buy it - i just can't imagine that anyone on GAF was sitting waiting to see what Gamespot had to say before pulling the trigger on this one.

Was ANYONE waiting on Gamespot? Anyone? Bueller??

 

[nckillthegrimace]

have no fear, i am a fucking terrible writer.

Clearly. You don't even know how to capitalize letters.

 

[BY2K]

Amirox can be your editor/translator.

*Slowclap.gif*

Bravo. Bravo!

 

[Apath]

Not talking about Gigglepoo's review specifically, but I've never understood why Zelda games always seem to be unable to avoid the "It's too same-y" dialogue, when plenty of other series don't even register the question. And in most cases, not much information is given on what should be changed to prevent the "same-y ness"?

Do people really want Zelda to play like Skyrim?

I mean, what are people looking for? Why would you expect any series (whether near-universally-liked like Zelda or something less liked, like say, Sly Cooper, Rachet and Clank) to deviate far from the fundamentals of the series?

Not being coy.. for instance I don't care much for the God of War series, but I'm not going to write up why God of War should be more like Mario because I like Mario games better.

If there is any game series that can be realistically pegged for being too samey, it's Zelda. The game has been around for over two decades and the basic formula hasn't changed too much. Now saying I agree with it necessarily as a bad thing, but I could understand criticism for it.

Maybe you should look a few pixels below the "7.5".

Maybe you should re-read my post, buddy. I am saying that you can call a 7.5 whatever you want, but in the gaming industry a 7 is an average game. They could have under the 7.5 "HOLY FUCKING SHIT BALLS -- BEST GAME EVER" and it wouldn't make a difference.

I do agree with your original point to an extent though: this game could very well be good -- nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't mean that I have to agree that a good game is equal to a 7. To me, and I'm sure many others based on how games are often reviewed, a 7/10 is merely average.

 

[Tashi]

For all of you complaining about the score, have you even read the review. It seems like he likes the game for the most part but inconsistent controls and stale elements of the series was what warranted it being not an excellent Zelda title. While the score is absolutely shocking, I think that his claim is justified. 7.5 is still a good game.

Well what weirds me out is that some reviewers complain about the controls while others say the game is better with these types of controls. I guess I'll find out myself very shortly

 

[Branduil]

Gamespot 7.5?

Pressure's off me. Fuck yeah.

So if not for the GAF reviewers, Skyward Sword's metascore would be like 90-million right now.

 

[Red]

I'm not trying to discredit his review, I'm trying to find out the reasoning for his review. Write a review and back it up with reasons, whether it be 6.0 or 10.0.

LOL 7.5? Wow. So did Gamespot basically wait until all the reviews were out and say "fuck this, we gotta get some attention, time for some epic trolling."

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