I'm pretty sure the poster was pointing out Wario had an alternate costume in Brawl.
Smash Bros. gives Zero Suit Samus skimpy new outfit; Sakurai thanks "female designer"
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Monocle
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There's no pleasing some people. I would say that as a general approach, recognizing the possibility for offense and making some effort to offset it beforehand is a better strategy than doing nothing.
Or at least it shows he's aware enough to set the context before others try to set it for him.
MisterHero
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Well, the woman Sakurai praised actually created content for this game.
Or does that not count because a bunch of non-development related people on the internet said so?
I read it, I was just saying that it wasn't skimpy.
It wasn't calling you out or just telling you that you were wrong. It was just me stating what I thought to people who might actually find it skimpy.
However it is very sexualized, like the way she is posing in her shooting pose is hilarious.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
I know its based from game endings, but i'm still very unhappy with this :/
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Ok?And This proves the samus alt is bad?
For the new page:
This thread is NOT complaining about the alt. I started this thread and I really like the alt. I like it more than the default costume, in fact.
This thread is about Sakurai feeling the need to "justify" it by saying a woman designed it. The question is, why does he feel justification is needed? Is this a reflection of how volatile the Internet has become when talking about the way certain groups are depicted?
I have a feeling he wouldn't have felt the need to try and justify this a mere three years ago. It really seems like a sign of the times that he anticipates backlash and tries to head it off in this fashion.
This thread is NOT complaining about the alt. I started this thread and I really like the alt. I like it more than the default costume, in fact.
This thread is about Sakurai feeling the need to "justify" it by saying a woman designed it. The question is, why does he feel justification is needed? Is this a reflection of how volatile the Internet has become when talking about the way certain groups are depicted?
I have a feeling he wouldn't have felt the need to try and justify this a mere three years ago. It really seems like a sign of the times that he anticipates backlash and tries to head it off in this fashion.
WrenchNinja
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I don't know if it should count for making it more acceptable a thing to do. I'm sure it wasn't the only thing a female designer has done for Smash Bros, but by mentioning it in regards to this alternative costume it seems to be a way of tacitly saying "This decision is endorsed by a woman, so it's okay".
Subzero suit samus
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Ok??? Still doesnt mean the costume is bad or will be well appreciated..Kudos for the tip tho
Oh wow, I think this is worthy of applause, lol
Right, but I think there's a way to do that without having it come across like you're saying "a woman made it, so it's cool."
It's not the intention I have a problem with, but the wording.
Where did I say it doesn't count? Where did I even insinuate something like that? I think it's great that there are women involved in the development of the game. I just think that's dumb statement to make if your end goal is to preemptively curb some backlash from people on the internet, many of whom have to deal with that type of "but this woman made it/said it was okay" or "I have one ___ friend" rhetoric pretty often.
Again, I can appreciate the intent, but think the execution misses the mark.
I think you say why he feels the need to justify right there. Representation of women is hot topic in gaming and Samus herself has come under fire since Other M and what many people feel is her becoming increasingly sexualized. I like that he's aware of it, but I wish he (or whoever translates for him) had found some better wording.
WrenchNinja
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Well yes, of course, that's generally how opinions work.
Here's another tip, don't automatically assume someone is trolling just because they disagree with you.
I want the announcer to say "Sexy Suit Samus" when this alt is selected.
LOL, this is amazing when you picture it in the announcer's voice
I feel like there's an obligation for a workout-themed PotD with Wii Fit Trainer and Sub-Zero Suit Samus
Professor Beef
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It's still fanservice. I don't get what you're trying to argue here.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Oh dont get it twisted I didnt change my mind. Your "argument" about the heels and morphball stuff was pretty lame as well.
It's not a bikini or whatever. Technically, that outfit is way more practical for athletic movement than a skintight latex suit
It's not fanservice, but it's fanservice.
I'm not sure what part about this is so difficult to understand.
WrenchNinja
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As opposed to having no argument at all.
I'll give it one last go. I'm sure you can understand. If not, tell me where I lost you.
1. Fanservice isn't inherently sexual. Let's make sure we understand this first. If a character in Smash Bros. has a move or taunt that's a reference to their prior games, that is fanservice. For instance, the way Megaman moves in Smash is fanservice.
2. Giving Samus an outfit that she wears as a sexy fanservice reward for completing the GBA games under certain constraints is both fanservice, and 'sexy' fanservice. It's a nod to an earlier game where it was sexy fanservice there, also.
tiggerkiddo
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Meh, don't really care for it, always liked her in her full suit of armor anyway.
blankempathy
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No different then what you see a lot of women wear to the gym. Not a big deal.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Regarding anyone who may complain, it would be one thing if there were original designs (...like those godawful boots...), but these are canonical depictions. And as others have said, the designs aren't anything ridiculous or objectionable anyway. Boob armor this is not.
Both are pretty neat, and I like that there are subtle differences between the two rather than them being straight recolors. It does make me further bummed that armored Samus doesn't seem to be getting anything particularly special though...
Both are pretty neat, and I like that there are subtle differences between the two rather than them being straight recolors. It does make me further bummed that armored Samus doesn't seem to be getting anything particularly special though...
MisterHero
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I don't know, interpreting Sakurai as using the "one friend" argument is a pretty serious insinuation.ReiGun said:
Should he have said nothing at all? Because I guarantee it would've gotten complaints from the same people AND without proper context. There are too many Miiverse posts in the Smash Bros. thread responding to the most trivial things already.
I might be wrong on this but here's an interpretation:Not said:
The regular blue Zero Suit is the suit Samus wears when she's inside the Power Suit. It eliminates friction, keeps her cool, etc.. Iron Man has a similar suit in his movie.
The alt from Fusion/Zero Mission is when she's not in the suit at all. Perhaps she's just cooling off after a long adventure.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Pretty much the only logical interpretation. Just look at the original pictures: clearly they're clothes she's wearing while out on the town. Nothing special.
Starwolf_UK
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So Fe Awakening had those fan service DLC including fireworks festival and going to the beach (and specific outfits too, lots of support convos too) which means Swimming trunks Robi...oh wait Female Robin is the alt for Robin, right? I'm assuming there was a Swimming trunks Robin anyway, not really paid attention to that DLC.
I hope this means US boxart Mega Man (I know it is a bit over done) and similar things for Pac-Man.
Altered Juice
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Mihael Mello Keehl
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Its sad because people will come online white-knighting and stuff pounding their chest saying they're sexualizing her. There will be some little kids playing this game they give no damns about that stuff.
Perhaps, but it's not my insinuating that her contributions don't matter. The purpose of the thread is to discuss the "female designer" comment as per the OP, and I'm merely questioning if that comment is the best method for doing so considering similar arguments are made often with this stuff and are shot down because they come across as dismissive.
As for should he have said anything at all? I don't know. Saying something upfront does allow you to provide context and potentially head off any controversy, but saying nothing allows you to wait to see if there's any controversy to even respond to and then actually make comments that address the actual concerns of people. I will say I think that just saying the costume is a reference to Samus's casual wear from past games, or even commenting on how sporty it looks (because it really does look like workout gear minus those dumbass heels) could have achieved the same end purpose.
I'll also say for as much as people complain about the "white-knighting" and "social justice warriors," the pre-emptive anger and indignation contributes just as much to how hostile this topic gets. Many of the people folks in this thread are so sure are going to get up in arms aren't even awake right now and this thread is already on page 4 (7/8 for 50 ppp people). Think about that for a second. (I am aware I'm part of the problem and that complaining about the costume or those who might complain about the costume is not this thread's purpose lol)
HawthorneKitty
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I think it's because she would look too wonky with actual other suits.
It's not really much worse than Wii Fit Trainer, is it? A little shorter, but hardly leaps and bounds away.
Then again, I wonder if it's percieved as 'okay' for WFT due to the skin tone not being realistic. Which would be interesting!
using a lazy term like "white knight" and attacking a straw man all at once. you've done good work today.
TeddyShardik
Banned
No matter what he would have said (or not said) otherwise, some people will try to drum up a big controversy about a costume. If he didn't mention it it would have been evil sexist japanese perverts and now it's bad BECAUSE he mentioned it.
The only winning move is not to play it seems to me.
Hot Coldman
Banned
They brought back Melee Brinstar? FFS
SquiddyCracker
Banned
This is fucking awesome.
No wonder the Wii U is outselling the PS4, the people are hyped about Smash Bros for Wii U.
No wonder the Wii U is outselling the PS4, the people are hyped about Smash Bros for Wii U.
Professor Beef
Banned
...fuck it, i'm going to bed
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Chill
That might be the best idea. You clearly aren't willing to make any points.
tiggerkiddo
Member
Well it beats getting the other Metroid stage with the giant Kraid...man I could not stand that stage at all.
Great music though
Great music though
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