So, Sony’s GaaS games are not doing so well huh?
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diffusionx
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I think SOCOM would be successful because other military shooters have become total clown shows.
I really liked MAG but I am not sure how much people want to play these big battle type shooters.
Killjoy-NL
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Which Playstation studio with the required expertise do you think should develop a new Socom, MAG or Warhawk?
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Gamer_By_Proxy
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The only ones I was interested in at all outside of Helldivers 2 were Factions and Twisted Metal. Because I thought those would do enough different to stand out from the rest of the GaaS crap.
Now that those are cancelled I want Sony to just stop all GaaS, and repurpose some of Factions into TLOU3 MP.
Now that those are cancelled I want Sony to just stop all GaaS, and repurpose some of Factions into TLOU3 MP.
DenchDeckard
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Helldivers II is incredible and sold shit loads of copies. One of the most successful games in the last few years.
Topher
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FoxMcChief
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I'm not sure why this thread is pinned. Did I do it? I'm day drinking for the first time in my 40+ year old life, lol.
Are we all supposed to laugh at the OP?
Are we all supposed to laugh at the OP?
Shadowstar39
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I hope they all fail. I hate to say it, but they abandoned traditional gaming.
Sony needs to be taught a hard lesson. Don't fuck over your longtime system owners, and traditional gamers by ignoring the old core audience to get a new "modern audience"
They should of sprinkled in a few gaas titles to appease the tweens and made mostly what they are good at.
Yeah young kids play a ton of f2p games, that is because they are in school, they are cheap and their freinds do. After a few years they will get a job, continue on with life and have more responsiblities. These gas games will take too much time and they will want some quality. I say this as I have a gen z step son that went through the whole trend of playing roblox, garys mod, fortnite, seige, cod and then went back to basics with God of war, mad max, and other single player games. I am sure this is a phase period for teens, or at least I hope.
Regardless, old heads like me spend money. No product they don't get their cut. Make more single player games and stop trying to be "woke/politically correct" or whatever it's being called today. Just make good games you know your classic audience will love and hype. Money will follow.
Will they do this, not with Herman's Herman and Neil the Squeal Druckman in upper spots (i know druckman isn't a ceo but he has pull I am sure).
They need a return to roots moment. And the Sony fanboys on here and elsewhere need to stop applauding them like they can do no wrong. You want change you have to critize. Don't play yes men to "your team".
Sony needs to be taught a hard lesson. Don't fuck over your longtime system owners, and traditional gamers by ignoring the old core audience to get a new "modern audience"
They should of sprinkled in a few gaas titles to appease the tweens and made mostly what they are good at.
Yeah young kids play a ton of f2p games, that is because they are in school, they are cheap and their freinds do. After a few years they will get a job, continue on with life and have more responsiblities. These gas games will take too much time and they will want some quality. I say this as I have a gen z step son that went through the whole trend of playing roblox, garys mod, fortnite, seige, cod and then went back to basics with God of war, mad max, and other single player games. I am sure this is a phase period for teens, or at least I hope.
Regardless, old heads like me spend money. No product they don't get their cut. Make more single player games and stop trying to be "woke/politically correct" or whatever it's being called today. Just make good games you know your classic audience will love and hype. Money will follow.
Will they do this, not with Herman's Herman and Neil the Squeal Druckman in upper spots (i know druckman isn't a ceo but he has pull I am sure).
They need a return to roots moment. And the Sony fanboys on here and elsewhere need to stop applauding them like they can do no wrong. You want change you have to critize. Don't play yes men to "your team".
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FoxMcChief
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Are people back to calling this place Sony echo chamber? I swear, this place just can't win.How are the other 12 Gaas games looking?
Here in #SonyGAF?
Topher
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Yes, you are so drunk that you developed mod powers and pinned the thread.
by the way.....I've got the list of posters that annoy me...eh....I'll send you a DM
Did they ever stop?
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FoxMcChief
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I hope I'm not on that list. I look at this place as fun. I hope to one day post as much as I used to. Some take this hobby way too seriously. It's fun, it's stupid and it's not that big of a deal. Maybe we see things differently as family men.
Shadowstar39
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Yes, they would, also throw in Twisted Metal, Warhawk, Wipeout, Motorstorm, Socom, Colony Wars, Medieval, Syphon Filter, Dark Cloud, Resistance, Killzone, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Bloodborne, Jak, Wild Arms, L of dragoon, etc...
They are sitting on a gold mine in properties but they won't even put out remasters of classics or straight ports.
They don't want to cater to their traditional base. Sadly.
Shadowstar39
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well the longer they wait people won't remember. Us older gamers (in my 40s who's been gaming since the start) will be in retirement in 20 or so years, or dead.
The time to reboot is now.
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FoxMcChief
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I think Sony has algorithms and charts and venn diagrams to show 0% of people want this series to come back. We here at GAF aren't sent the surveys. Only the Fortnite players.
DryvBy
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I can't even imagine what's going on in their dumb heads when they decide to make f2p games that aren't f2p. Make a couple that bring in a steady cash flow, like Helldivers 2 and maybe bring EverQuest or something over. That's it. Then focus on what made PlayStation great. When you have too many cooks making money makers, no one wants to show up and play any of it. These types of GaaS games almost need friends to really enjoy them and with too many choices of GaaS, you end up just sticking with the ones you don't think will fail and be an ultimate waste of your time. Why would I play Marathon when we have established games doing the same thing?
Topher
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lol....I don't have a list. Just messing. Agree some folks take this stuff too far. I'm not immune to that myself. I'm trying to have the attitude of talking to people as if they are right in front of me and not just words on a screen. Some make that hard though.
Audiophile
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They could've had something like Helldivers II + Socom + Driveclub 2 + Warhawk + an FPS.
Nice variety, stay focused, measured, not get greedy.
I consider the PS4 gen to be a rising tide that could have lifted many ships, with good execution and marketing I feel these other properties could've taken off and be solid titles and income earners.
Buying Bungie, blowing hundreds of millions on chasing >5yr old trends and trying to convert most of your single player studios into partial-live service studios was definitely not the way to go.
Nice variety, stay focused, measured, not get greedy.
I consider the PS4 gen to be a rising tide that could have lifted many ships, with good execution and marketing I feel these other properties could've taken off and be solid titles and income earners.
Buying Bungie, blowing hundreds of millions on chasing >5yr old trends and trying to convert most of your single player studios into partial-live service studios was definitely not the way to go.
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Shadowstar39
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Something happened midway through ps4 gen and Sony changed completely. To be fair it wasn't just them it was across the industry. F2P, woke shit, censorship, selling off Japan, big ole middle finger to their traditional market to curry favor with the new "modern audience". I want to blame Jim Ryan but I know Layden was defending all this shit on twitter recently, so I think they are both to blame. Maybe it was when Andrew house left the tables turned for the worse?
All I know is that ps1-> early ps4 was peak.
Punished Miku
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Thread title is a little aggressive. Please change to "not doing so well but could be doing great in the future." Thank you.
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Giallo Corsa
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Man, even Killzone and Resistance would be better than whatever Sony has been pumping out lately, that's why...
I'd rather have another generic-ish KZ and Resistance than to submit myself to another Horizon FW or God of war Panderock.
MoreJRPG
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The sad thing is after all these failures is that they'll keep trying. They have no choice but to keep trying. The average Fortnite player is dropping over $100 a month on microtransactions, and that's just Fortnite. They also probably play COD, GTA, 2K and spend more there as well. Then you have whales who are spending thousands of dollars a month on cosmetics across these live service games.
A live service player is infinitely more valuble than a single player only gamer. One Fortnite player is worth more than 10 single player only gamers at this point. You can count on Fortnite player getting countless other friends and family members to play with them as well and spend. Just the state of the market.
A live service player is infinitely more valuble than a single player only gamer. One Fortnite player is worth more than 10 single player only gamers at this point. You can count on Fortnite player getting countless other friends and family members to play with them as well and spend. Just the state of the market.
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Felessan
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Gaming itself abandoned traditional gaming
Sony always go for mass market. And those "traditional gamers" by understanding of forums dwellers are just old-timers who deny changing reality.
Many from WoW crowd still play live service titles even in 30+ age. It'll be much, much worse for Fortnite crowd as there are much more of them and they are not a minority anymore.
It's just a drug that hard to pass on - even PvE games are highly social and going back to single den is a lot of stress, humans are social animals
14-24 is the main gaas target, because it's a band that contains most players and they are the most active ones.
And those IPs for sure have a lot of appeal to that crowd.
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rickybooby87
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We are witnessing Phil's magnus opus unfold before our very eyes, unable to beat Sony from the outside, he did it from the inside. Concord? Xbox Psyops. Jade? An obvious Xbox plant from the very beginning, she had one mission, never deliver anything.
We're bend and bluepoint both also working on recently cancelled GAAS. Most of Sonys studios including their single player studios seemed to have been put on this crap for years, and it's all now dead, there's multiple first party studio that'll be pretty much a write off for the entire gen, it's all such a waste, and Sony don't really have that many studios.With Jade Raymond jumping ship and based on what we heard of Fairgames I don't think we will see that game releasing, which will join the ranks of Last of Us, Horizon MMO, London Studio Live Game, Spider-Man the Great Web and Destiny Project Payback which all got canned before release, those they managed to release are Concord and Helldivers 2 and while Concord is a smash hitHelldivers 2 is successful. Which leaves Marathon and that one doesn't looks so hot either, easily losing to a free to play game (ARC Raiders) and no one is that interested in it, so what is gonna happen now???
Gojiira
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Thing is games get cancelled all the damn time. They literally mean nothing. We just know about them, thats all. Out of the ones that have released, Helldivers 2 was a genuine hit and its finally getting on the right track.
Marathon could go either way, and if Horizon MMO is literally just Horizon via Monster Hunter then Im confident it will be amazing.
So their doing ok, at least now they've hopefully reprioritised single player…
Marathon could go either way, and if Horizon MMO is literally just Horizon via Monster Hunter then Im confident it will be amazing.
So their doing ok, at least now they've hopefully reprioritised single player…
Dr. Samuel Hayden
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It's obliterated all the good will Sony built up with the PS4.
The initiative will end with Helldivers 2 being the only successful one.
The initiative will end with Helldivers 2 being the only successful one.
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Topher
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Nah.....I don't think most "traditional gamers" have a problem with Sony expanding their efforts into live service, but they just went too far too fast with this and their bread and butter games have suffered as a result. And the results have sucked for the most part outside of Helldivers 2. Could very well be that Sony has two more studio closures coming out of all this.
bitbydeath
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Arguably there hasn't been a real good one since Fortnite released, also arguably there weren't any good ones before it released either.
Topher
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The "story-heavy singleplayer games" were always there as the crux of PS gaming. Sony certainly had more of a balance during the PS3 years with games like Warhawk and Socom. Nothing wrong with live service games, but get one or two successful projects in place instead of putting all your eggs in that basket. This has been entirely mismanaged from the get go.
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Generic
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"GaaS is just a trend" is an old meme.
bitbydeath
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It is true though.
You could probably count the moderately successful ones on one hand, and the truely successful ones on one finger.
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Hideous Snake
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Lost me at the pinned thread
AngelMuffin
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Even with success of Hell Divers 2 (which Sony probably didn't expect), their GAAS attempts have been shit.
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