PropellerEar
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So, Sony’s GaaS games are not doing so well huh?
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PropellerEar
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FIREKNIGHT2029
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Helldivers 2 is extremely successful OP, I don't know what you're smoking.
It's Sony's only GAAS success this gen as everything else has failed.
It's Sony's only GAAS success this gen as everything else has failed.
yogaflame
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I agree. 100% This is the right message that Sony must receive.
Guerilla Munch
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It still boggles my mind that there is a nearly finished Last of Us multiplayer game sitting on a hard drive somewhere as Sony releases flop after GaaS flop.
Moriarty1889
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Let Sony learn the hard way that most PS gamers want traditional SP OFFLINE exclusives that we have come to know and love with the brand. Bring back Infamous, Resistance, Killzone, SOCOM just to name a few. Plenty of fans have been clamoring for those titles among others. This obsession with live service that has been an utter failure overall is past the point of exhaustion. It's quite clear Sony are not good at delivering Live Service games with all the cancellations they have had this gen.
FIREKNIGHT2029
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I want all these GAAS games from Sony to fail with the exception of Helldivers 2 because it's actually awesome and feels original. All these other trend chasing GAAS games from them need to die horrible deaths so that Sony can get back to making the traditional single player AAA games we expect from them. Sony is forgetting what got them to the top, it was games like God of War, Uncharted, Ghost of Tsushima, etc. not shit like Concord or whatever the hell Marathon and Fairgame$ are. What Sony is doing this gen is the equivalent of a good Sushi restaurant abandoning the Sushi that makes them popular and deciding to sell mediocre Chicken Wings instead to their longtime customers. Nobody bought a PS5 to play garbage like Concord and Fairgame$, Sony needs to wake the fuck up.
Ass of Can Whooping
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I can't believe this is the pinned post on my sonygaf
Evilore you cunt
Evilore you cunt
diffusionx
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Reminder that after Bluepoint shipped Demon's Souls, Sony had them work on a God of War live service game for 4 years.
FIREKNIGHT2029
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I hope whoever greenlit BluePoint to do this no longer working at Sony. A totally moronic move that completely blows my mind to this day.
Felessan
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WoW and FF14 are bad. Okay....
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L*][*N*K
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Put a few more "arguably" in there for good luck, how about Rocket Leauge, How about all those card games, how abour Genshin Impact. Why compare everything to Fortnite? Paladins have been running since 2017 and Concord lasted 3 fucking days!
Little Chicken
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They must be FUMING!
They must be FUMING!
L*][*N*K
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That flipping twit
Killjoy-NL
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Doom still sitting at a rocksolid 30K CCU peak on Steam during launch-weekend.
Pheww good that only happens at Sony.
PropellerEar
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nowhat
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This I really don't get. Wasn't it rumored back in the day that they were working on an original IP?
Not that they would have necessarily made a good original game - they have the chops when it comes to art and tech, but there's also writing, game direction, whatnot. Still, I would have been much more interested in that (like really - I can't imagine what a God of War live service would even be).
Hideous Snake
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GaaS isn't for everybody and if you can't make a decent one at least, then don't bother at all. Sony are in it for the money only but what did they offer? Garbage.
Lunarorbit
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Does Sony not have regular people testing their products? All of this is complete shit except helldivers 2. I'm so god damn sick of bungie; one of the worst Sony acquisitions.
Wasting years of talent and money for literally nothing. Jade Raymond is a joke. Hulst is absolutely a joke. Bungie management can pound sand.
Congrats to MS straight up. Refocused on single player games with Bethesda/zenimax. There's a reason their games are selling.
Wasting years of talent and money for literally nothing. Jade Raymond is a joke. Hulst is absolutely a joke. Bungie management can pound sand.
Congrats to MS straight up. Refocused on single player games with Bethesda/zenimax. There's a reason their games are selling.
L*][*N*K
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No it happens everywhere, but it happens at Sony too and that is what we are discussing here
Pheww good that only happens at Sony.
Hypereides
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If you ever get the chance, please let Hulst know he's an unqualified and unimaginative goof for the position he's occupying. Best regards, a random "screecher" on GAF.
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Edgelord79
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Helldivers 2 caught lightning in a bottle imo and I don't think it's a sustained success with concurrent players over time which is the whole point of GaaS. Is it still bringing in a good amount of players (asking because I don't know).
I agree that GaaS has largely been a failure for Sony so far.
I agree that GaaS has largely been a failure for Sony so far.
thismeinteil
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Why are we still obsessing over the GAAS of Sony? I thought it was pretty obvious last year that, with how Sony handled the release of Concord and cancelling a bunch of GAAS projects and only leaving a few alive, they were pivoting back to SP games.
I guess Sony's good financial results sparked a lot of fake concern.
L*][*N*K
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They are literally releasing one this year and another one of their games just lost its lead producer so yeah there is concern
Why are we still obsessing over the GAAS of Sony? I thought it was pretty obvious last year that, with how Sony handled the release of Concord and cancelling a bunch of GAAS projects and only leaving a few alive, they were pivoting back to SP games.
I guess Sony's good financial results sparked a lot of fake concern.
noob smokes
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The studios they bought to make gaas games
Killjoy-NL
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They were already working on the games they're working on.
That's the thing people aren't thinking about.
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Radical_3d
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Exactly.
diffusionx
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Helldivers 2 sold really well. But... as a live game, it has not kept up the success/player count you would hope. They haven't really done a good job with it.
Wishmaster92
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You know that'll never happen unless they're cornered into the wall like the ps3 era. They want that easy gaas money printing machine for years to come. No innovation
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
+1 for this being stickied.
yurinka
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Destiny 2, Gran Turismo 7 and MLB The Show are very successful GaaS too. So 4 of 6 out of the 12 they have planned are very successful.
As an example, last week the top 1 in PSN preorders were the upcoming Destiny 2 expansions. And as usual last year Destiny 2 was a top 10 top grossing game in PC.
Pretty likely Sony already recouped the budget they planned to invest in these 12 games.
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nowhat
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For the chicken littles (yes, very much intentional) for sure. For the rest of us, ehh, the recent financials seem decent. I'm not saying that I like the live service direction (which, as stated by many, has been waning), but thus far, it's not like Sony's going away any time soon.
Yeah, sooo bad...right now Marvel Rivals at 118K on #8...What do you want Apex Legends numbers?
diffusionx
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Mr Moose
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Apex is free.
But it's doing sooo baadd...oh now it's gotta be 1st tier or it's sooo baaaad. Dude, stop it with the bullshit and get the fuck out.
Unfortunatecookie
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5 things that I see happening (long post warning):
1) GaaS funding, internally, will see a massive reduction. If they were willing to spend $100M on a single GaaS title, I'm betting they're not spending even half of that on another. I expect their strategy will be to finance a promising third-party GaaS title, i.e., they'll be willing to take a slice of the pie and not bake the pie. Think paying for more Foamstars only this time, the games might find an audience. From a risk management perspective, getting 30% of all third-party GaaS titles will be significantly safer than chasing 100% of a title that costs $100M+ and took 5+ years of valuable first-party development time to make.
2) The execs who went full steam ahead with the GaaS push are going to have significantly less influence on the direction of PlayStation studios. Even though first-party software sales are vastly overshadowed by third-party sales, I expect a big shakeup and a recalibration of their internal studios. You can't go a full console generation with 6 or more of your studios failing to deliver a successful product. That's how you end up in a Ubisoft-esque situation, i.e., you're paying a bunch of people for years but that money just goes *POOF* and never comes back.
3) More layoffs at more studios. Unavoidable outcome. The majority of people who were hired to focus on GaaS development won't be needed anymore. Bungie will probably get hit the hardest.
4) The realization that people only play 1 or 2 GaaS games has fully sunk in. I expect this will lead to PlayStation doing more Fortnite-esque deals with the other GaaS games, e.g., having Kratos show up in Warzone or having Aloy Talkitis show up again in Fall Guys. Basically, you're gonna see a bunch of PlayStation characters show up in some GaaS somewhere.
5) Remasters and PC releases won't be enough to hide the fact that the majority of their studios were working on stuff that hasn't panned out. I expect more Stellar Blade type deals to fill out the gaps in their first-party output.
Somewhat related, but I also expect PlayStation to do a 180° on their current strategy of announcing and promoting games. Their 'minimum input-maximum output' strategy is not leading to a maximum output and instead, it's leading to less talk and less excitement around their games and hardware. PS5 Pro is a recent victim of this bad strategy; even though the price and lack of features weren't great, what made matters worse is the boring ho-hum manner that they announced the thing. If people have to use a YouTube plugin to determine whether or not the public is excited by what you've shown, you're fucking up the marketing.
Saving money by not doing events and big splashy showcases is fine if it's actually translating to significantly higher sales from their products. As tribal/fanboyish as E3/movie-theater events became, the value of a big splashy event is in the word of mouth that happens before, during, and after the event. Just look at what happens when Apple or Samsung start teasing their upcoming events. My expectation is PlayStation will keep State of Play but also return to having an in-person showcase/event.
1) GaaS funding, internally, will see a massive reduction. If they were willing to spend $100M on a single GaaS title, I'm betting they're not spending even half of that on another. I expect their strategy will be to finance a promising third-party GaaS title, i.e., they'll be willing to take a slice of the pie and not bake the pie. Think paying for more Foamstars only this time, the games might find an audience. From a risk management perspective, getting 30% of all third-party GaaS titles will be significantly safer than chasing 100% of a title that costs $100M+ and took 5+ years of valuable first-party development time to make.
2) The execs who went full steam ahead with the GaaS push are going to have significantly less influence on the direction of PlayStation studios. Even though first-party software sales are vastly overshadowed by third-party sales, I expect a big shakeup and a recalibration of their internal studios. You can't go a full console generation with 6 or more of your studios failing to deliver a successful product. That's how you end up in a Ubisoft-esque situation, i.e., you're paying a bunch of people for years but that money just goes *POOF* and never comes back.
3) More layoffs at more studios. Unavoidable outcome. The majority of people who were hired to focus on GaaS development won't be needed anymore. Bungie will probably get hit the hardest.
4) The realization that people only play 1 or 2 GaaS games has fully sunk in. I expect this will lead to PlayStation doing more Fortnite-esque deals with the other GaaS games, e.g., having Kratos show up in Warzone or having Aloy Talkitis show up again in Fall Guys. Basically, you're gonna see a bunch of PlayStation characters show up in some GaaS somewhere.
5) Remasters and PC releases won't be enough to hide the fact that the majority of their studios were working on stuff that hasn't panned out. I expect more Stellar Blade type deals to fill out the gaps in their first-party output.
Somewhat related, but I also expect PlayStation to do a 180° on their current strategy of announcing and promoting games. Their 'minimum input-maximum output' strategy is not leading to a maximum output and instead, it's leading to less talk and less excitement around their games and hardware. PS5 Pro is a recent victim of this bad strategy; even though the price and lack of features weren't great, what made matters worse is the boring ho-hum manner that they announced the thing. If people have to use a YouTube plugin to determine whether or not the public is excited by what you've shown, you're fucking up the marketing.
Saving money by not doing events and big splashy showcases is fine if it's actually translating to significantly higher sales from their products. As tribal/fanboyish as E3/movie-theater events became, the value of a big splashy event is in the word of mouth that happens before, during, and after the event. Just look at what happens when Apple or Samsung start teasing their upcoming events. My expectation is PlayStation will keep State of Play but also return to having an in-person showcase/event.
diffusionx
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There's no fixing your bullshit. You're not even a 2nd tier Pokémon, Pikachu. You should have dropped it after the first reply.
IllegalLemon
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They were sent out to fail and die out from the get go, Sony just refuses to accept it yet.
They have accepted it, hence all the cancelations.
L*][*N*K
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Sweetie I think you need to take your meds in time, who the fuck is talking about Sony going away???