dead souls
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Gemma is the quickest a character has ever gone from "deserves and Emmy" to "cringe every time she's on screen" for me.
Nothing against Sagal's performance, she's still great, but the material they're giving her is beyond awful.
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Sons of Anarchy - Season 5 - Tuesdays on FX
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Gemma is the quickest a character has ever gone from "deserves and Emmy" to "cringe every time she's on screen" for me.
Nothing against Sagal's performance, she's still great, but the material they're giving her is beyond awful.
she still plays the part great...but the part is just tiresome now. she's literally never changed and they've had i think 3 opportunities to develop her character.
and for some reason everyone knows Gemma can't be trusted, but somehow always trust her. She's been a drunken mess since the season started, she got her car stolen sleeping with some random dude the day before and you're gonna trust her to watch your kids?
it's almost bad enough to get me to not watch the show anymore.
Seriously horrible way to hit this plot point. It felt so forced. Smoke s joint in afternoon, crash car with grand babies 5 hours later.
Gratz on the show. But driving high on marijuana is nothing like drunk driving man. They are not even in the same universe. Very easy to drive on weed, I don't even smoke anymore but it was never a problem. Alcohol? Ya I wouldn't ever try that, totally not comparable and its laughable that Sutter reached this plot point because gemma was high on weed.
LOL fuck that is funny.
blainethemono
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Gemma basically acts and dresses like a 17 year old or something. I think that's probably the main thing here. She's too fucking old to be doing all this shit and living as hard as she does and get away with it
You shouldn't drive on weed, like, in life.
blahblah...blah
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If Sutter doesn't do this I'll be so disappointed!
HP_Wuvcraft
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You hope Gemma purposefully put her grandchildren's life in danger to simply cause more drama?
I am not getting into a debate, but driving while high on weed is not a big deal. If you ever were an avid smoker you would know this. I am 28 years old and haven't smoked since I was 21 or 22. I would sometimes avoid tickets for driving the speed limit high ... and sober be getting speeding tickets left and right like a maniac.
Key word AVID smoker. I wouldn't suggest anyone drive high their first times. But after 6 years of smoking all day everyday (like gemma no less) it really is not a big deal to operate a car when high. Nothing like alcohol dude, not even approachabley close. Poor ending to a decent episode at best.
No, fakeout by Sutter. Like others have mentioned, he's done it several times before.
Lame way to end an episode if true.
I would bet on fake out. No way they kill Abel off after making us watch Ireland for all of season 3.
-Pyromaniac-
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Are we sure Gemma was just smoking weed? What if she did that while popping a pill sometime in the day. Guess we're reaching at this point, lol.
It's not a debate. Yes, it is. I'm not debating the ending, I'm debating the fact that you should not be driving a car while high. That's is a terrible idea and is dangerous for other people on the road. If you're high, get off the fucking road.
Thanks for addressing the point of tolerance. works in a completely different way than alcohol. Weed does not impair you in a manner that is unsafe to drive a vehicle. I know it sucks to hear, but its just not the same. Thanks for talking to me about this though but it doesn't sound like you know what the hell you are talking about.
And I dont even smoke ... so you won't have to worry about me careening your entire family off a cliff because I smoked a joint. So no worries.
You shouldn't drive with any substance that inhibits your reactionary ability. That includes marijuana. I'm not comparing it to alcohol -- nowhere did I do that. It's not an either/or situation. Marijuana affects your reaction time. You shouldn't drive if you're high.
My reaction time was better sometimes when high .... and look at the post Domino quoted you on, you did compare it. Listen tired of shitting this thread up, you win. Can't wait for next weeks episode at least.
I was comparing the idea of "tolerance." And no, your reaction time was definitely not. Even marijuana decriminalization groups like NORML advocate not driving while stoned (though they are quick to point out that it's different than drunk driving, which is true).
And no, it's a bit scary that people believe this, so I'm going to harp on it.
Avatar quote.
If that scene was intended to confuse me then it has succeeded. I have absolutely no idea where to even begin speculating. Im fairly sure it has nothing to do with drugs.
It's gotta be something else it just doesn't fit with the show. These guys are riding their bikes stoned half the time lol.
Oh sorry I mis read you. Ya no way Abel is dead. Hope not
It's gotta be something else it just doesn't fit with the show. These guys are riding their bikes stoned half the time lol.
Oh sorry I mis read you. Ya no way Abel is dead. Hope not
This is shaping up to be a brutal fucking season
Pai Pai Master
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When they were chasing Joel McHale's character, did they drive by Paddy's Pub from Always Sunny or was that just me?
And I don't think it was just from the weed, she was obviously fatigued and should not have been driving at all.
And I don't think it was just from the weed, she was obviously fatigued and should not have been driving at all.
Its not the best idea, but its hardly something to demonize like you're doing, I think is the point. I'd say its probably more dangerous driving to work tired in the morning. I cant imagine it was just weed that Gemma was on. I mean, I know TV shows/movies dont always portray this stuff accurately, but I hope there's more to the explanation.
Also, I know this sounds callous, but I'd rather Abel die than Juice. Not that I hate kids or anything, but I actually have some emotional investment in Juice and like him as a character while Abel has been given pretty much zero character development.
RepairmanJack
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Juice has almost no point on the show anymore and his death would be pointless and forgotten fast(just like Opies
). At least Abel dying would cause a lot of serious shit for Gemma.a secret-boss
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So this is wat happened to Jeff after his Community college gig. He became a pusher
RepairmanJack
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I'm wondering if that is the extent of his role. Tisdale's part was over real fast as well. With how these names were brought up before the season I was thinking they were going to be a little bit bigger roles.
They were brought in to get beat up.
Wouldn't surprise me. I think there was a scene in Parks N' Rec where they their car break down in front of it, :lol
Clay Davis
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It's sutter way of apologizing to the fanbase for season 3.
seriously, it's definitely a fake out. has anyone dared to watch next weeks promo yet? does it give any clues as to what the fallout from this is?
-Pyromaniac-
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Promo pics for next week show
Gemma in a hospital bed. I think it's a fake out. Probably injuries all around but that's it.
Cornballer
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- Here's the promo for next week's episode in case anyone wants to check it out
Please make sure to spoiler tag any discussion. Thanks.
Please make sure to spoiler tag any discussion. Thanks.
Clay Davis
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thanks - next week spoiler speculation.
it's probably a lock for a fakeout now. no doubt the trucker pulled over and called the police / paramedics. I can see this fallout being that she's no longer trusted by jax or tara, maybe she'll end up going back to clay? it feels like that's where the story is headed with her.
I'm tempted, but I think I'm going to wait until the episode airs to see what happens next. thank you for posting it though.
Pai Pai Master
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I think it's a safe bet that Jax and Tara will push Gemma back to Clay now, and he will continue to destroy her life ad everyone around him.
I agree about Juice - I don't get why he's still being played off as a sympathetic character after the shit he pulled last season. He almost gave up the club and killed another member to cover his tracks, so why should we give a shit about him? I was hoping he was going to try and stop the nomads and get killed in the process, he's a waste of space until they decide to actually resolve his arc from last season.
I agree about Juice - I don't get why he's still being played off as a sympathetic character after the shit he pulled last season. He almost gave up the club and killed another member to cover his tracks, so why should we give a shit about him? I was hoping he was going to try and stop the nomads and get killed in the process, he's a waste of space until they decide to actually resolve his arc from last season.
Tired of the fake outs. Each time someone gets close at Clay or the show starts showing progression and gives you information about what's really going on, someone tricks jax and leaves you in a position where you as the viewer know what's up but you still gotta get through a couple episodes of seeing characters screw up and going against the wrong guy, thus stalling the whole plot.
Don't get me wrong its the number one tv trope ever, but this show pulls it way too much. Just fucking kill Clay already and get that over with. It's annoying to watch.
Don't get me wrong its the number one tv trope ever, but this show pulls it way too much. Just fucking kill Clay already and get that over with. It's annoying to watch.
keltickennedy
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Just finished watching the latest episode....
Fuck this shit. I'm done with the show. Gemma is really pointless and should not be featured as much as she has been. So now what? Looks like its back to being in a hospital for the rest of the episodes this season.
Isn't Sutter married to Katey Sagel in real life? This explains a lot.
Fuck this shit. I'm done with the show. Gemma is really pointless and should not be featured as much as she has been. So now what? Looks like its back to being in a hospital for the rest of the episodes this season.
Isn't Sutter married to Katey Sagel in real life? This explains a lot.
This show is the other extreme of shows where you feel no-one is getting to get hurt seriously despite them being always thrown in dangerous situations.
Here, killing characters became the only way the show can create cheap drama\shock. As if you can't write it or have a progression of events and developments w\o having someone die. That you have to kill somebody to get the wheels moving. Our go-to dramatic tool however badly done it's needed to be.
What the heck is Gemma doing on that road? Isn't she taking the kids from the clubhouse to her home? Since when that route includes outside of Charming sort of highway?
Gemma needed to go long ago. Her storyline this season is some tween-level shit.
I still don't get if Clay organized the break-ins to get those documents. But if he wanted them he could just have visited Gemma's house saying he forgot couple of things and get them. What gives? And why break in to the sheriff's house and do it when his wife there and go to her bedroom. Just ransack the ground floor.
If the show is in the habit of killings characters, then please off Unser already. He has no place in the show anymore - only if you wanna see him get hooked up with Gemma finally. The guy's saying his going to die in a year the past 3 seasons. At least then he looked like crap but now he's in tip-top shape and smoking cigs. End it already. Cancer, pft.
Here, killing characters became the only way the show can create cheap drama\shock. As if you can't write it or have a progression of events and developments w\o having someone die. That you have to kill somebody to get the wheels moving. Our go-to dramatic tool however badly done it's needed to be.
What the heck is Gemma doing on that road? Isn't she taking the kids from the clubhouse to her home? Since when that route includes outside of Charming sort of highway?
Gemma needed to go long ago. Her storyline this season is some tween-level shit.
I still don't get if Clay organized the break-ins to get those documents. But if he wanted them he could just have visited Gemma's house saying he forgot couple of things and get them. What gives? And why break in to the sheriff's house and do it when his wife there and go to her bedroom. Just ransack the ground floor.
If the show is in the habit of killings characters, then please off Unser already. He has no place in the show anymore - only if you wanna see him get hooked up with Gemma finally. The guy's saying his going to die in a year the past 3 seasons. At least then he looked like crap but now he's in tip-top shape and smoking cigs. End it already. Cancer, pft.
blainethemono
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Dayton Callie is my favorite actor on the show though. Unser can't die. I'd rather they kill off Clay and Gemma and keep Unser alive until the end
I actually drive better while stoned for some reason. Dat focus.
I have several friends whom I would never ever get in the car with if they were sober. They drive like complete maniacs sober, but when high they act like they have a driving instructor in the seat next to them and a cop in back.
Juice has almost no point on the show anymore and his death would be pointless and forgotten fast(just like Opies
I dont really like this 'if the character isn't currently a main focus of attention, you should kill them off' attitude some of you are taking. Just because they're not doing something right now doesn't mean they wont be a focus of attention again later on. There's a lot of characters after all.
RepairmanJack
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It's not about him not being of focus, it's the fact that they are treating his character as if he has no purpose other than to drive Clay around and witness his shit. Chib's barely has any real focus, but he has still been around and involved overall. Juice has basically been forgotten unless it deals with Clay he literally has no other interactions. It's not that I want him killed off, it's just the way they are setting him up. There is a lot of characters that haven't been a main focus and nobody said kill them off in the past.
Cornballer
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New episode tonight:
-Pyromaniac-
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Gemma just said she drives high all the time with no problems so she thought it was fine.
So that criticism was answered I guess! Sort of!
So that criticism was answered I guess! Sort of!
LumpOfCole
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I would've put money on Gemma being drugged but I guess she was just high.
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