dotnotbot
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He said that turning on Game or Graphics mode disables it.
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He said that turning on Game or Graphics mode disables it.
StateofMajora
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I agree that the interpolation should be off completely when not selected, but it is certainly off completely in game mode as that would definitely add lag it it were on.
Man, A90J seems to have a couple issues compared to last year. Hope the panel grid stuff is sorted out.
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ManaByte
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And the TV is smart enough to do that automatically. I have the PS5 and an Apple TV 4K hooked up through the receiver. The TV will switch to Dolby Vision mode when on the Apple TV and then switch to Game mode automatically when you switch to the PS5's input.
TKOFromTokyo
Member
Unfortunately, the panel grid is an issue with LGD. Many people with the CX were complaining about it last year. There are thoughts that it might be a result of LGD’s new manufacturing methodology that was designed to reduce waste and cut costs.
StateofMajora
Banned
Right, but you'd have thought with Sony's binning that it wouldn't be such an issue. First time i'm hearing about this though. On Fomo's video with John from value electronics, he said his A90J samples were the cleanest he'd seen from Sony so i'm kinda surprised at this.
TKOFromTokyo
Member
It has been talked about over at AVS for at least a month. What has been noticed is that the uniformity of the 55in TVs has been better than the 65in TVs.
Kuranghi
Member
Ah yeah ofc, ta, he said it 1 second after as wel, brain failure. No worries for gaming then, except for maddos who play outside game mode.
I don't know if its a HW issue thats impossible to solve without changing to a new process but I do hope they find a solution to how OLED handles near black, if it handled it as well as a good FALD LCD, combined with how OLED works it would be amazing. At that point you just have to get around ABL limitations, keep increase peak brightness and develop better BFI for OLED that decreases stutter for movies/low fps content further.
There will probably never be one perfect display tech, this will continue for decades lol, there will always be something to complain about
Does it change out of game mode and back to your Cinema/Custom/media watching picture mode (whatever PM it was set to before game mode was auto turned on) when you use the media apps/BD player? I don't use those so PS5 is always set to game mode but I've wondered how that worked.
Just in case someone wanted motion interpolation on for BDs/media apps and having it in Cinema/Custom will probably give you better image quality than Game mode. I presume its just reading the device information and setting it accordingly so can't tell what the actual content being output from the device is.
Kuranghi
Member
I think even if they are still strict with what panels they use for their sets, ultimately Sony are still at the mercy of what LGD choose to give them/give them access to within the panel. Like when LG had BFI in their OLEDs but Sony couldn't add it til the following year saying they didnt have control of some part of the panel, meaning they couldn't implement their own version of BFI the same year as LG.
Even though they had the best BFI by far since 2018, I don't know all the details though so maybe it was just a challenge to adapt their SW technique to OLED tech, so it took a year longer than they thought it would.
StateofMajora
Banned
Yeah the smaller size has always had better uniformity, which is kind of universal for lcd as well.
StateofMajora
Banned
I think oled will stick around for maybe even another decade at this point ; micro led just being a headache lol. In that time, we are going to see better and better oleds, and I do think near black can be solved eventually. They can still use better organic material to reach higher peak brightness than the new evo panel, and as we know the Sony doesn't even use evo, and no heatsink on the lg sets.Ah yeah ofc, ta, he said it 1 second after as wel, brain failure. No worries for gaming then, except for maddos who play outside game mode.
I don't know if its a HW issue thats impossible to solve without changing to a new process but I do hope they find a solution to how OLED handles near black, if it handled it as well as a good FALD LCD, combined with how OLED works it would be amazing. At that point you just have to get around ABL limitations, keep increase peak brightness and develop better BFI for OLED that decreases stutter for movies/low fps content further.
There will probably never be one perfect display tech, this will continue for decades lol, there will always be something to complain about
Does it change out of game mode and back to your Cinema/Custom/media watching picture mode (whatever PM it was set to before game mode was auto turned on) when you use the media apps/BD player? I don't use those so PS5 is always set to game mode but I've wondered how that worked.
Just in case someone wanted motion interpolation on for BDs/media apps and having it in Cinema/Custom will probably give you better image quality than Game mode. I presume its just reading the device information and setting it accordingly so can't tell what the actual content being output from the device is.
Unless Samsung qned is amazing enough for the industry to shift towards it I think oled will be king for a long while yet.
Kuranghi
Member
Play this in the internal youtube app of your new monster telly:
For "oh my effing god" effect play it in on a PC connected to the TV in a browser that supports 8K and see how downsampled 8K looks. Spoiler: its completely awesome even when you don't have an 8K panel, this being a special case since he filmed the video at 12K and finished it at 8K though.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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I suggest a read through here.
Owner's Thread for the Sony X900H (No Price Talk)
www.avsforum.com
XR is new but the SOC is shared.
If you have proof that the 2021 tv's are using a different SOC post it.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Ignored?
I am waiting on proof that those added processing don't add input lag.
I could be correct just prove it and we can move along.
Kuranghi
Member
That demo was made for OLED (Can look good on super high zone count LCD but still issues in some scenes), so its amazing if a 32 zone TV looks good while playing it.
StateofMajora
Banned
Would never waste my time to show you, who just posts here to show everyone how right you are. Buy your own lag tester before talking about things you know nothing about. "I could be correct" see - you're making definite statements without even being sure.
Why didn't you politely ask for proof before instead of sheepishly ignoring my last whole post to you?
kyliethicc
Member
You still have no proof of your claim that the XR is the same as the X1.I suggest a read through here.
Owner's Thread for the Sony X900H (No Price Talk)
XR is new but the SOC is shared.
If you have proof that the 2021 tv's are using a different SOC post it.
Sony have stated the XR is new for 2021. You claim they're lying.. and your evidence is an owners manual of the X900H? lol
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S0ULZB0URNE
Member
I suggest a read through here.
Owner's Thread for the Sony X900H (No Price Talk)
XR is new but the SOC is shared.
If you have proof that the 2021 tv's are using a different SOC post it.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
So you are the one who continues to make claims and even claimed to post proof but still haven't?
Gotcha
From my experience and research I am sure.
But nobody is perfect right?
It takes a bigger man to be open for correction no?
S0ULZB0URNE
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StateofMajora
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And ignores the question. Buy a lag tester or continue to spout ignorance. Never said I posted proof, just my findings. Which you ignored like a pussy willow.
Were someone else to ask me out of curiosity, I might show them. But so far no one has asked, so.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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kyliethicc
Member
Is this real? I can't read the language. Where's it from?XR is a additional chip.
The SOC is the same.
Proof has been posted.
Whats this X9000J? That's incorrect, its X90J. Your source seems sketch.
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dotnotbot
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I don't know what you guys argue about. It's well known that X90J, X95J, A80J, A90J etc have the same Mediatek SOC as XH90, but the difference is new XR companion chip that replaces old X1 Ultimate (XH90 didn't have additional chip at all).
In the past some Sony TVs had different input lag numbers even though they shared the same SOC and companion chip (A9G and A8H for example) so input lag numbers aren't a good indicator.
In the past some Sony TVs had different input lag numbers even though they shared the same SOC and companion chip (A9G and A8H for example) so input lag numbers aren't a good indicator.
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StateofMajora
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XH90 did have a picture processor, it's kinda important to have you know! Dubbed X1, but not to be confused with the X1 in the x900e from 2017 as the one in the x900h is not as good.
Souls Dork is saying if the X90J gets a VRR update, then the X900H will get it as well, but the updates are rolled out on a set by set basis, so that's not necessarily true. I'm not really interested if it has the same HDMI chipset or not.
I will believe any Sony TV gets VRR update when I see it, best not to trust these companies on stuff like this.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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Wtf are you saying now?
TKOFromTokyo
Member
I wouldn’t be surprised if they get VRR no later than when the PS5 gets VRR. It would be a really bad look for them if they didn’t since they said they were PS5 ready.
StateofMajora
Banned
NGL I could use a bit of a hug
That's a good point, if they ever do update these tvs it'll be for ps5 usage ; they don't care if you can use VRR with your Xbox lol.
But I really expect Sony to do people dirty on this one, and 900H got off to a sketchy start. Happy to be proven wrong on this one though.
ManaByte
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Haven't played Sea of Thieves on my PC since I got my X90J since I can play it at 120fps on the big screen now.
dotnotbot
Member
Of course, but just SOC, no companion chip. I'm saying that based on Vincent's review, he says this around 7:43 mark:
It also lacks reality creation and has poor near-black gradation compared to their other TVs. It seems like Sony couldn't fit all the video processing just on the SOC itself and some corner cutting was required. Or maybe they could but the algorithms are written with different chip in mind and porting them would be too troublesome.
Theory is that Sony "desperately" needed HDMI 2.1 model in their 2020 line-up. XR still wasn't ready and X1 Ultimate isn't designed to work with new SOC, so they created XH90 as a transition model, scrapping out some things that will be later carried out by new XR companion chip.
I agree about that, but it's possible that the updates will not be far off in time between each model. We'll see.
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Kuranghi
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Its annoying to be having all these caveats since the 2020 models came out, not just for Sony but other brands too:
* New tech brought new problems
* New processing features but now missing old processing features
* Zone count downgrades but algorithm upgrades
My boss used to see the new models as early as Fall previous year so for 2020 at least I don't think its Covid related, those sets probably entered manufacturing around the first Covid case, so the design was complete way before that.
Its fantastic if you are coming from older/lower end HW, but if you follow the stuff, 2016-2018 was just upgrade after upgrade with no downsides, aside from some X-Wide Angle, but that could be argued to be an upgrade by some.
* New tech brought new problems
* New processing features but now missing old processing features
* Zone count downgrades but algorithm upgrades
My boss used to see the new models as early as Fall previous year so for 2020 at least I don't think its Covid related, those sets probably entered manufacturing around the first Covid case, so the design was complete way before that.
Its fantastic if you are coming from older/lower end HW, but if you follow the stuff, 2016-2018 was just upgrade after upgrade with no downsides, aside from some X-Wide Angle, but that could be argued to be an upgrade by some.
StateofMajora
Banned
Oh, I thought it had an extra chip and it was just crap. Makes sense I guess, have to look into that a bit.
Yeah, definitely wouldn’t want to downgrade to that from my 900e, but at least the J series has a picture processor again. And yep Sony just had to rush a 2.1 screen for ps5 launch.
Waiting for a mini led set from Sony to upgrade the ol’ 900e upstairs.
dolabla
Member
Well, looky here. The X90J has officially dropped in price at Amazon and Best Buy overnight. 50" is now $1098, 55" $1298 and 65" is $1598.
ManaByte
better go get your $200 price adjustment at Best Buy.
I wasn't able to cancel my order, unfortunately. And they wouldn't adjust the price which I knew they quit a few years ago, but I asked anyways. But I got it settled after talking to Amazon.
ManaByte
better go get your $200 price adjustment at Best Buy.I wasn't able to cancel my order, unfortunately. And they wouldn't adjust the price which I knew they quit a few years ago, but I asked anyways. But I got it settled after talking to Amazon.
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kyliethicc
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Considering the X900H 55" can be had for $1000, the most I'd pay for the X90J 55" is $1200 (assuming it's an improvement).Well, looky here. The X90J has officially dropped in price at Amazon and Best Buy overnight. 50" is now $1098, 55" $1298 and 65" is $1598.
I wasn't able to cancel my order, unfortunately. And they wouldn't adjust the price which I knew they quit a few years ago, but I asked anyways. But I got it settled after talking to Amazon.
Will be interesting to see how low it goes in November.
TKOFromTokyo
Member
Well, looky here. The X90J has officially dropped in price at Amazon and Best Buy overnight. 50" is now $1098, 55" $1298 and 65" is $1598.
I wasn't able to cancel my order, unfortunately. And they wouldn't adjust the price which I knew they quit a few years ago, but I asked anyways. But I got it settled after talking to Amazon.
I’m glad I somehow got $300 off my A90J. I would have been a little bummed paying full price at launch to have it drop in a month.
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Kuranghi
Member
Fuck me, I used to have to sell the 75" edge-lit 85-series Sonys for ~£2199 up to BF (£1899 on BF), the 75" 90 series was like £2499 n August and £2299 on BF. Its was almost dollars for pounds so just convert that to dollars.
You lucky bastards haha.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Huh? I never seen this. What are you referring to?
Kuranghi
Member
Yeah jfc, if they had patched that into my 2016 Sony I would have murdered someone, I change the brightness about 19 times a day lol.
Esppiral
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Ah ok. Probably never seen it because I keep the brightness at 20 and turn off the auto adjust based on room's ambient lighting.
dotnotbot
Member
AFAIK it's only present on EU/UK firmware, Sony claims it's becuase of some EU law.
TKOFromTokyo
Member
That’s what I’ve heard as well.
Kuranghi
Member
Yeah probably, Sony are a bunch of rule following nerds, I think the XF90 feet were a response to an upcoming (possibly also only UK/EU) law that said TVs had to be able to be pulled/tilted forward a certain amount of degrees and still fall backwards instead of forwards, to protect kids from pulling them down on them.
Weird "duck feet", the idea behind them they told me was for stability and also they are supposedly set at the maximum preferred off-axis angle that someone should sit at to get a good picture to make the foot look its thinest, so I guess that means a bit further left than where the camera is in this shot:
I was like "What about the other foot?". They did make them metal and half as thin on the XG90 and some more models, which was nice.
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Esppiral
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I have several TVs and none show this annoying message even on latest firmware I call this bullshit