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[Airbus Jr]

I can definitely see Sony doing the math.

"We can sell the ps5 version and make X amount of money.... Orrrrr we can sell ps5 and PC version to make X² amount of money."

X²>X

There are only like 3 extremely angry Sony fanboys in this thread, compared to 21 pages of gamers that support Sony for being so generous to give the steam and EGS several more games to come.

On a side note, Sony more than likely won't integrate voice chat with the PC playerbase. Can you imagine the literal meltdowns of some of these guys? Hydrochloric acid can be formed from the tears and salt from the fanboys. Keep it off your parents living room sets.

Of course gamers like me will support ps5 game coming to pc

Less console to buy less money to burn the better decision for me

The question if this trade off will benefit sony in the long run remains to be seen

Does more people buying ps game on PC worth the risk of losing customer buying ps5 and Ps Plus subscibers ?

We will have this answer in the next couple years

Clue : Xbox One

 

[megreotsugua]

Does more people buying ps game on PC worth the risk of losing customer buying ps5 and Ps Plus subscibers ?

Not only PS plus revenue but recently the PSN revenue cut has been on an all time high.

Sony will want to sell PS5 to drive more PSN sales. And controlling the narrative of being able to play many AAA games exclusively on PS5 will be a key for people to choose PS5.

 

[Airbus Jr]

With this new Nvidia card dropping in its high time for Sony to release their first party game on PC

Imagine Gran Turismo 7, Spiderman Morales, Horizon Zero 2, next God of War, Demon Souls etc running on RTX 3090

Absolutely gorgeous

 

[DOSS216]

Bloodborne, God of War, and The Last of Us 1 & 2 on PC in 4k 60fps

 

[The_Mike]

Wouldn't it be cool if "investigating PC" also included Sony having studios interested in making games that tend to play and do better sales wise on PC? Strategy games, certain types of simulation games, etc.. Games they could still make a console version, but might not justify the budget because those styles don't do as well being console only.

Everyone wins; not everything Sony does has to be a system seller if they are also gaining revenue from PC.

A mixed approach would be really cool.

Strategy games has suffered enough the last few decades. They don't need to suffer further by dumbing down the genre to fit a controller.

 

[Black discover]

Amazon has listed days gone for pc coming this December
That was fast

 

[Shmunter]

Amazon has listed days gone for pc coming this December
That was fast

PS4 case and all. Too lazy

 

[FranXico]

Amazon has listed days gone for pc coming this December
That was fast

Well, Days Gone was developed using UE. Sounds like an "easy" port.

 

[Black_Stride]

Bloodborne, God of War, and The Last of Us 1 & 2 on PC in 4k 60fps

8K60 you mean!

Whoever is doing the ports better include DLSS.

 

[The_Mike]

Well R&C won't go to PC anyway cause there would be no PC to run it. Can't even attempt to do that on PC.

Spider-man too would need the SSD or they'd have to rework how fast he moves and what is the point them?

Dude. Just stop. Please stop. You are embarrassing yourself.

 

[Orta]

Dude. Just stop. Please stop. You are embarrassing yourself.

I fucking love that guy. He's clearly deranged or as alluded to, an Xbox fanboy pretending to be team Sony to shame his fellow brethren.

 

[CrysisFreak]

I can definitely see Sony doing the math.

"We can sell the ps5 version and make X amount of money.... Orrrrr we can sell ps5 and PC version to make X² amount of money."

X²>X

There are only like 3 extremely angry Sony fanboys in this thread, compared to 21 pages of gamers that support Sony for being so generous to give the steam and EGS several more games to come.

On a side note, Sony more than likely won't integrate voice chat with the PC playerbase. Can you imagine the literal meltdowns of some of these guys? Hydrochloric acid can be formed from the tears and salt from the fanboys. Keep it off your parents living room sets.

X² != 2 * X
jfl@u hahaha
Except one of those X is smaller than the other one.
Keep begging haha

 

[jonnyp]

Well R&C won't go to PC anyway cause there would be no PC to run it. Can't even attempt to do that on PC.

Spider-man too would need the SSD or they'd have to rework how fast he moves and what is the point them?

I guess you missed the Nvidia presentation yesterday and all the threads about the new RTX line...

 

[Bryank75]

I guess you missed the Nvidia presentation yesterday and all the threads about the new RTX line...

How many people are going to have a 700 dollar card or anything with that performance for a few year except a tiny fraction of PC gamers....

Plus we don't know if the memory will be as fast as PS5, real world tests have to be done.

 

[Bryank75]

Dude. Just stop. Please stop. You are embarrassing yourself.

The embarrassing thing is that PlayStation bring one game to PC and say they are considering bring more but do not confirm any and people like yourself assume everything is coming to PC even games that are not even out yet.

You will probably get something from 5-7 years ago and that will be it for another while then another game in two years time.

It is to get PC gamers to buy PS5's.... they do not care about PC gamers.

BTW I totally understand why you'd want PS games on PC, I was considering getting the PC first and PS5 second but based on games I decided PS5 first. If I was a PC gamer primarily I would want the same but it would hurt gaming overall I think cause it undermines why exclusives are made in the first place and that without purpose has no need to exist.

 

[Airbus Jr]

Let me ask you this

At this point with Xbox and Playstation recent decision to bring their game to PC

If you buy Xbox Series X... you got yourself.. Xbox Series X games

If you buy PS5 you got yourself PS5 game..right?

But if f you buy yourself PC card...posibly RTX 3090...You got acess to Xbox games...and Playstation 5 games..AND ON TOP OF THAT....the upcoming PC exclusive game like Baldures Gate 3 and Diablo IV....AND ON TOP OF THAT...you got yourself the Xbox Series X and Playstation 5 game running (on a 30 teraflops RTX 3090) better than in their own platform

So whos the real winner in this ?

The answer is.....

*Winner winner chicken dinner*

 

[jonnyp]

How many people are going to have a 700 dollar card or anything with that performance for a few year except a tiny fraction of PC gamers....

Plus we don't know if the memory will be as fast as PS5, real world tests have to be done.

That's not the argument you made. You said it will be impossible on PC but nice movement of the goal post.

And I have no idea what you mean by memory in this case. PC GPU memory bandwidth even with RTX 2070 and up is as good or greater than PS5's.

The PS5 may have lower latency due to the cache scrubbers, coherency engines and overall design of its I/O complex. This we do not know and it will hard to test in the real world unless you have the same game running on both platforms to compare. But R&C will not be impossible on PC going forward.

 

[The_Mike]

The embarrassing thing is that PlayStation bring one game to PC and say they are considering bring more but do not confirm any and people like yourself assume everything is coming to PC even games that are not even out yet.

You will probably get something from 5-7 years ago and that will be it for another while then another game in two years time.

It is to get PC gamers to buy PS5's.... they do not care about PC gamers.

BTW I totally understand why you'd want PS games on PC, I was considering getting the PC first and PS5 second but based on games I decided PS5 first. If I was a PC gamer primarily I would want the same but it would hurt gaming overall I think cause it undermines why exclusives are made in the first place and that without purpose has no need to exist.

I don't care about PlayStations games, so don't put words in my mouth. And that isn't the point.

Point is the games eventually comes out, and with all the other great games coming out anyways there's no reason not to just wait instead of spending so much money on inferior hardware. Imagine how many other games you can buy instead of a platform for a few games.

 

[Bryank75]

That's not the argument you made. You said it will be impossible on PC but nice movement of the goal post.

And I have no idea what you mean by memory in this case. PC GPU memory bandwidth even with RTX 2070 and up is as good or greater than PS5's.

The PS5 may have lower latency due to the cache scrubbers, coherency engines and overall design of its I/O complex. This we do not know and it will hard to test in the real world unless you have the same game running on both platforms to compare. But R&C will not be impossible on PC going forward.

We would have to see if it is possible at those speeds, you couldn't have him suspended in the transition area for 30 seconds or more....

It may be possible but anyway, they are talking about bring one or two older games to PC... not new ones. Past generation games will likely have some ported but not even all. So there's not much for me to worry about.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

The embarrassing thing is that PlayStation bring one game to PC and say they are considering bring more but do not confirm any and people like yourself assume everything is coming to PC even games that are not even out yet.

You will probably get something from 5-7 years ago and that will be it for another while then another game in two years time.

It is to get PC gamers to buy PS5's.... they do not care about PC gamers.

BTW I totally understand why you'd want PS games on PC, I was considering getting the PC first and PS5 second but based on games I decided PS5 first. If I was a PC gamer primarily I would want the same but it would hurt gaming overall I think cause it undermines why exclusives are made in the first place and that without purpose has no need to exist.

Hardware is the least profitable thing though. As matter a fact, Microsoft and Sony will lose money from hardware sales till they can shrink the node and mature their process. Faster and sooner ports will be the money rake for them.

 

[jonnyp]

We would have to see if it is possible at those speeds, you couldn't have him suspended in the transition area for 30 seconds or more....

It may be possible but anyway, they are talking about bring one or two older games to PC... not new ones. Past generation games will likely have some ported but not even all. So there's not much for me to worry about.

I agree that Sony exclusives will not release on PC day one as long as they have a console they are selling. If R&C ever comes to PC it will be years down the line.

 

[LittleBigGamer]

But if f you buy yourself PC card...posibly RTX 3090...You got acess to Xbox games...and Playstation 5 games..

This is wishful thinking.

You will not get ps5 games probably, maybe an incomplete PS5 BC(?), so PS5 will be the best choice again.

PC will be the best BC player though. Allways was either way.

 

[Bryank75]

I don't care about PlayStations games, so don't put words in my mouth. And that isn't the point.

Point is the games eventually comes out, and with all the other great games coming out anyways there's no reason not to just wait instead of spending so much money on inferior hardware. Imagine how many other games you can buy instead of a platform for a few games.

You're a PC gamer first, I understand your logic.

I have my trophies, my friends and the games I want in the PS ecosystem, much like I buy a Switch for their games... it's no biggie. I mostly want a PC to mess around with development tools and do art but having the freedom to check out some Xbox games and strategy games like Crusader Kings will be nice.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

This is wishful thinking.

You will not get ps5 games probably, maybe an incomplete PS5 BC(?), so PS5 will be the best choice again.

PC will be the best BC player though. Allways was either way.

But what if it comes out sooner than you assume? Day one or close enough. PC obviously has the strength, dexterity, and intelligence to do the same and then some. Maybe Sony wants to let their games shine

 

[The_Mike]

You're a PC gamer first, I understand your logic.

I have my trophies, my friends and the games I want in the PS ecosystem, much like I buy a Switch for their games... it's no biggie. I mostly want a PC to mess around with development tools and do art but having the freedom to check out some Xbox games and strategy games like Crusader Kings will be nice.

I am a pc gamer only atm. I was Xbox player before, but I'm a keyboard and mouse player by heart.

The thing is, I have all my Xbox friends on pc and can still get achievements in some games.

I don't care about achievements anymore though. I was an addict, and it dictated how I played some of my games. Now I'm free of that bond, and I love to play how I enjoy it tbh.

But different strokes for different folks. And I respect your opinion.

I just find Playstation exclusives boring. They follow the same single player cinematic pattern. I don't say they suck, they are just not chattered to me.

But I find the approach from Sony interesting, which is why I'm here in this thread.

 

[Bryank75]

Hardware is the least profitable thing though. As matter a fact, Microsoft and Sony will lose money from hardware sales till they can shrink the node and mature their process. Faster and sooner ports will be the money rake for them.

Yeah but they need the hardware in peoples houses to make money off the software. They wouldn't make 21 billion on first party titles alone.... they'd barely break 2 billion.

All the money comes from microtransactions, 3rd party games, dlc and PS+....

They would invest way less in first party games to make them more profitable if they went the publisher only route or they'd fill them with mtx and nobody wants that.

 

[Bryank75]

I am a pc gamer only atm. I was Xbox player before, but I'm a keyboard and mouse player by heart.

The thing is, I have all my Xbox friends on pc and can still get achievements in some games.

I don't care about achievements anymore though. I was an addict, and it dictated how I played some of my games. Now I'm free of that bond, and I love to play how I enjoy it tbh.

But different strokes for different folks. And I respect your opinion.

I just find Playstation exclusives boring. They follow the same single player cinematic pattern. I don't say they suck, they are just not chattered to me.

But I find the approach from Sony interesting, which is why I'm here in this thread.

We have come to understanding and I invite you to be my brother in gaming.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

Yeah but they need the hardware in peoples houses to make money off the software. They wouldn't make 21 billion on first party titles alone.... they'd barely break 2 billion.

All the money comes from microtransactions, 3rd party games, dlc and PS+....

They would invest way less in first party games to make them more profitable if they went the publisher only route or they'd fill them with mtx and nobody wants that.

Or they could put a subscription up for their first parties. Hardware profits will be non existent for a while. Just give PC players good ports, and they'll be profitable. No more shit ports from Sony.

 

[Bryank75]

Or they could put a subscription up for their first parties. Hardware profits will be non existent for a while. Just give PC players good ports, and they'll be profitable. No more shit ports from Sony.

Only way I might see it working is a subscription launcher... like PS+ on PC and then purchase the games at a slight discount inside.

So maybe a 15 dollar sub and the games sell for 50 on launch but you get the 2 free PlayStation plus games too to add to your library.

Hypothetically.

 

[LittleBigGamer]

But what if it comes out sooner than you assume? Day one or close enough. PC obviously has the strength, dexterity, and intelligence to do the same and then some. Maybe Sony wants to let their games shine

If it comes day one is bad for the game itself as I said before. If they want them to shine they will keep them exclusives*. Fixed platform has always benefits. Thank god NXgamer confirmed yesterday what I am saying. Because you made me look crazy.

*multiplatform games always focus their design on the low-end hardware because more people can play the game. In addition with Multiple platforms in mind, either way, they will make a game's assets start at a lower level than the level could be if it was exclusive.
Exclusivity means literally that they focus on the platform I have in my living room. They design the game for my box, again. literally(i.e fixed platform)

I could predict that if sony decides to make their games multiplatform day one, we will stop consider sony studios so talented in terms of graphics. Because even if they are indeed talented, the ''secret sause'' is that they focus on the fixed platform. It is a decision.
So personally I hope they will not be multiplatform. Just my view of things after 3 decades plus in gaming.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

Only way I might see it working is a subscription launcher... like PS+ on PC and then purchase the games at a slight discount inside.

So maybe a 15 dollar sub and the games sell for 50 on launch but you get the 2 free PlayStation plus games too to add to your library.

Hypothetically.

So AKA gamepass for PS. Never thought id hear that honestly.

 

[Bryank75]

So AKA gamepass for PS. Never thought id hear that honestly.

I'd still be slightly opposed to day 1 but yeah... except you have to buy new games.

Bit of a premium but I think if they were to keep the standard of games they have now, it would be worth it.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

If it comes day one is bad for the game itself as I said before. If they want them to shine they will keep them exclusives*. Fixed platform has always benefits. Thank god NXgamer confirmed yesterday what I am saying. Because you made me look crazy.

*multiplatform games always focus their design on the low-end hardware because more people can play the game. In addition with Multiple platforms in mind, either way, they will make a game's assets start at a lower level than the level could be if it was exclusive.
Exclusivity means literally that they focus on the platform I have in my living room. They design the game for my box, again. literally(i.e fixed platform)

I could predict that if sony decides to make their games multiplatform day one, we will stop consider sony studios so talented in terms of graphics. Because even if they are indeed talented, the secret sause is that they focus on the fixed platform.
So personally I hope they will not be multiplatform. Just my view of things after 3 decades plus in gaming.

So focus on the low end hardware like the ps5, give us PC players some serious next gen offerings. Everyone wins. Price to performance.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

I'd still be slightly opposed to day 1 but yeah... except you have to buy new games.

Bit of a premium but I think if they were to keep the standard of games they have now, it would be worth it.

It won't hurt players that want to support cerny. But it'll benefit Sony, hugely. There's so many missed sales on PC platform that Sony wants a piece of. And I completely understand their move to PC, especially after yesterday's shit storm

 

[LittleBigGamer]

So focus on the low end hardware like the ps5, give us PC players some serious next gen offerings. Everyone wins. Price to performance.

with ''Low end'' I mean low end PC.
For PC players will be good, but not for gaming imo.

Next gen multiplatform games will be designed for the consoles primarily and then for low-end pc, either way(hopefully sony games will continue to focus on single spec). I find those teraflops useless to be honest.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

with ''Low end'' I mean low end PC.
For PC players will be good, but not for gaming imo.

Next gen multiplatform games will be designed for the consoles primarily and then for low-end pc, either way(hopefully sony games will continue to focus on single spec). I find those teraflops useless to be honest.

No offense, but you sound triggered, especially after yesterday. 20tf for same or less price than ps5. Double performance. What is there to hate?

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

How many people are going to have a 700 dollar card or anything with that performance for a few year except a tiny fraction of PC gamers....

Plus we don't know if the memory will be as fast as PS5, real world tests have to be done.

any pc with a 3 year old (by the time ratchet is launched) 2080 (plain) will be able to run it much better than ps5

 

[LittleBigGamer]

No offense, but you sound triggered, especially after yesterday. 20tf for same or less price than ps5. Double performance. What is there to hate?

Indeed. I am triggered for the possibility to lose the quality of first-party games. Also I believe more in the console model for the game industry than the pc model, which I think it has already gave what it had to give.

Other than that. No I don't have any problem at all.

PS.
500$ is for the GPU only. Will all the parts(yes put also something like the tempest CPU for the sound, dual sense., main CPU, SSD etc) it will be 3 times the price for erm... double performance of a...next gen game(?)( I am not sure about that but we will see).

 

[Bryank75]

It won't hurt players that want to support cerny. But it'll benefit Sony, hugely. There's so many missed sales on PC platform that Sony wants a piece of. And I completely understand their move to PC, especially after yesterday's shit storm

Well Sony probably has room to expand since Xbox seem to be moving towards PC and Nintendo are mostly mobile / hybrid. So maybe we are looking at PlayStation as the main and only large console and then PC as the main ways to game for high production value games.

Unless something changes dramatically.