Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
If Sony has no interest to bring those games to PS5 then give it to Nintendo.
I don't want to see great IP like those die off just because Sony currently too focus in western market.
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Sony looking to expand PlayStation Studios titles to Xbox and Nintendo, according to Job Listing
I don't want to see great IP like those die off just because Sony currently too focus in western market.
DownLikeBCPowder
Member
This is not an entirely true statement. Series such as the Elder Scrolls have suffered chasing the console population in terms of game design or mechanical design. This is not the only such example and there are certainly many examples of people not being pleased about this transition of focus.
They could still do a PlayStation app on pc and launch exclusives on there first along with console and put it on steam at a later date or perhaps whenever they feel like it.
reinking
Gold Member
Have you not been paying attention to the Nintendo fans lately?
As for Sony seemingly going all in on multi-platforms, Microsoft has already given me reason that I do not necessarily need to buy their next console. If Sony wants to do the same, I'm fine with that. I can put that money to other uses if that is what it comes down to.
kaizenkko
Member
How many games are available on the PS5? How many are exclusives? Maybe 5%? Are those 5% what make people buy a PlayStation?
And if people stop buying a PlayStation, what platform will they replace it with? PC is multiplatform and so is Xbox.
Are we all doomed to buy a Switch?
Aenima
Member
They cant force things like PS+ for online play on a open platform with multiple stores like PC. They need a walled garden. That alone would be a huge loss of the revenue they make. And how many 3rd party publisher would choose a new PC store to put they games instead of something like Steam? Even Epic with they smaller fees cant compete with Steam.
Topher
Identifies as young
Wasn't always that way for Sony and MS gaming executives, but I get your point. And Nintendo doesn't have some massive conglomerate overseeing everything they do. Nintendo is just Nintendo.
StreetsofBeige
Member
It's a general statement.
If you go back even farther to the 32-bit era, thats when you got lots of PC franchise trying console. RTS games and even Diablo 1. And all those big shooters at the time... Doom, Quake, Unreal would often get a console port at some point.
Did PC gamers really care that much?
Aenima
Member
You are not doomed to buy anything you dont want, im just telling you what will happen when Sony decides to let go of the exclusives and go full 3rd party. Ppl will buy whatever platform they want to play games, im just telling Sony will lose more money going this route and they 1st party games and quality will also be afected in a negative way.
The only problem is the vast majority does not buy ps5 for its exclusives. The casuals get it cause its the default console where all their friends play fortnite,cod and madden and even gta 5 and 6. it also matters that ppl gonna have 2 gens of games in their library ready on the ps6 and as we know most ppl just want 1 library..see steam. its just sony wants to keep selling consoles while steam is just a storefront.
Next gen gonna be interesting,i predict even less ppl gonna jump on ps6..bc why would they? Their games gonna be on ps5 for like another 5-6 years. Also ps6 not gonna be 400 bucks digital version,try 600+
As a whole i dont even disagree lol
DownLikeBCPowder
Member
I get where you're coming from, just stating that dissent is present. Not as loud as console folks, but that's always been the case I feel like in terms of palpable tension or pulse.
If they didn't have first party stuff what would they be bringing over exactly? It's likely that DS2 is coming to PC and so would GoY. They are just hiring a director/accountant that tries to analyse when to release on other platforms. When DS2 comes to PC later and possibly xbox down the line what would have changed? DS1 did the same. Now they have hired somebody that deals with this rather than it being done possibly by another publisher like 505. A job posting isn't a change in strategy. In a June fireside investor chat they have said they will continue as is and exclusives are important to protect the Playstation business. Exclusives, timed or otherwise are not going away because of this job listing.
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Ultralow35
Neo Member
Sony did the same thing on PC to survive so did Microsoft when they went to PC ….
Sony has proved multiple times they know how to handle this situation.
Choosing the right games for the right platforms, adopting the appropriate delays, tiering launches to give new life to old titles when it's clear the commercial potential is exhausted on the original platform, they have carefully balanced the need to expand outside a traditional console market that isn't growing enough to offset increasing development costs without crossing the red lines that would damage their console business.
The results speak for themselves, PS5 sales are in line with PS4 even at much higher console hardware, services and ecosystem costs while their revenues and profits are setting records.
They know how to play this game, unlike the genious minds at Microsoft that destroyed their console brand and full priced sales with their decisions.
This is not going to change.
Choosing the right games for the right platforms, adopting the appropriate delays, tiering launches to give new life to old titles when it's clear the commercial potential is exhausted on the original platform, they have carefully balanced the need to expand outside a traditional console market that isn't growing enough to offset increasing development costs without crossing the red lines that would damage their console business.
The results speak for themselves, PS5 sales are in line with PS4 even at much higher console hardware, services and ecosystem costs while their revenues and profits are setting records.
They know how to play this game, unlike the genious minds at Microsoft that destroyed their console brand and full priced sales with their decisions.
This is not going to change.
kaizenkko
Member
And what I'm saying is that there's no proof that the lack of exclusives would reduce console sales.
If that were true, PlayStation sales would have already collapsed.
I think Helldivers 2 on Xbox/S is definitely starting to look like a first step with bigger implications than some here would have thought (or hoped). Nixxes is going to have more work porting games than just to PC, it seems.
We'll see how it develops and how far the new Sony/PS multiplatform initiative goes. But the mere fact of establishing an entire organizational structure and hiring staff to develop a mumtiplatform strategy means it's not going to be "just some FPS Gass game."
I don't know, between the fact that MS/Xbox has already fully and definitively embraced multi/cross-platform support, that the next XBOX "console" is going to be (or everything points to it being) a platform open to third-party stores, and that Sony wants to extend its multiplatform strategy to more platforms beyond PC ... we're going to see some interesting, yet strange and shocking things in this industry.
We'll see how it develops and how far the new Sony/PS multiplatform initiative goes. But the mere fact of establishing an entire organizational structure and hiring staff to develop a mumtiplatform strategy means it's not going to be "just some FPS Gass game."
I don't know, between the fact that MS/Xbox has already fully and definitively embraced multi/cross-platform support, that the next XBOX "console" is going to be (or everything points to it being) a platform open to third-party stores, and that Sony wants to extend its multiplatform strategy to more platforms beyond PC ... we're going to see some interesting, yet strange and shocking things in this industry.
They are already thinking of mouse controls...Ten years ago, I would have said the exact same thing about Microsoft and Sony.
Mr Moose
Member
What? No.
ReBurn
Gold Member
For sure. Video games are pretty much all Nintendo does. The stakes are higher for them because they don't have other businesses to fall back on.
ClosBSAS
Member
Lol maybe the new ones...but the ps4 games will all hit xbox and Nintendo...youll see...easy money. For ps5 games yes, gaas only most likely until ps6 comes out
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
solidus12
Member
Can't wait to play Hellblade 2
yogaflame
Member
Good optimism. I hope you right that Sony knows what they are doing. I hope its just GAAS. And I might agree if after 3 years before 1st and 2nd party be ported to pc or other console.
Ultralow35
Neo Member
So Sony looking to port games to a dead platform?????Bro that make zero sense…..
Mr Moose
Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Enjoy!
I agree. Sony make the most of their money from selling games on their store. They are giving people a reason to not use it in the future. Companies need to stop tying bonus payments to short term business decisions like this.
Im not saying to force anything. Im just saying if they wanted to dip they toe in trying day and date games on PC. If people want to play last of us 3 on pc early then they need to download the app if not they can wait a year for the steam release.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
That is why they win.
StreetsofBeige
Member
Its one of those things in business where Sony and MS have done their analysis and internally agree that going multiplat on PC was a first step worth doing. And now on their arch rival. Heck even Nintendo is getting in on the action in limited ways with each of them.
Look what Apple did way back. From a stodgy closed ecosystem, then iPods and iTunes built the foundation to build on (phones, tablets, more mac sales). They could had just limited to marketing to only Apple users, but they realized to max out sales and interest, include PC access too. iTunes for PC.
Any hardcore walled garden Apple fan who hates them going mainstream with as many sales as possible just got replaced by probably 1000 new customers and Apple doesnt give a shit one bit in decades.
yogaflame
Member
I think at worse Nintendo will do is porting there exclusives or allow there franchise IP be use to mobile phones like Iphone, Samsung, Huawei, etc. But for a thousand years Nintendo will not commit suicide of porting there exclusives to PC, steam and other consoles. You are right that 1st and and 2nd party is there lifeblood and also switch sales.That's interesting, because Nintendo was systematically pushed out of the home console market since the N64. The Switch is just their handheld market plus 10M from their remaining Home Console audience. In this process, what?10-15 years; Nintendo has lost a lot of Third Party Support. In other words, Nintendo's first-party titles are the lifeblood of Nintendo's business. between 60%-80% of software sales revenue comes from First party while 30%-40% for Play Station.
So, (and I think this is the main issue with PlayStation). Nintendo just announced that they are exploring ways to make games faster/cheaper.
Nintendo Exploring Ways To Reduce High Cost Of Games
Nintendo president Shuntaro Furukawa spoke of ways to deal with the rising cost of Nintendo Switch 2 games.www.yahoo.com
I don't think Nintendo games cost $300+ million to develop and market. Meanwhile, PlayStation keeps pushing graphical diminishing returns with stale gameplay. They are being financially forced to put their games on other platforms, but the real issue is the need to create more interesting and fresh games.
So, as of now, Nintendo primarily relies on their first-party games to market their platform and drive its storefront. But if we assume that over the next 10–15 years, Nintendo nurtures a stronger and healthier third-party ecosystem, things will remain the same.
SomeNorseGuy
Gold Member
I miss the console wars
No worries, we all just need to pick a storefront to emotionally invest in instead. War ...war never changes.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I'd like to see the podium meme of both Sony and MS celebrating 2nd and 3rd, forever.
If Nintendo does anything with PC it's coming with a launcher.
Aenima
Member
You can look at MS for proof. Even with a more atractive service like gamepass and a pretty solid console like the Series X, they are tracking behing they Xbox One sales that where already bad. They simply have been putting all they exclusive games day 1 on PC giving less reasons for ppl to buy Xboxes. How many more examples do you need untill you are conviced of the obvious?
I give you one more example, me. I have been using playstations as my main platform for gaming since the PS2. And this year, seeing Sony porting they exclusives to PC, i decided to invest more in a PC and im skipping the PS6 gen. Thats one less user buying on the PS Store and one less user paying for sony subscription services like PS+. And i cant be the only one doing that, there will be many more. Casuals will continue to buy playstations, but there will be a decrease in revenue once Sony goes full 3rd party.
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Ultralow35
Neo Member
If you think they ported dam near there whole slate to PC for fun and not because they needed to make revenue then you don't understand there the business and responsibilities to there investors…..
Mr Moose
Member
"Survive" No.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
People wanted a winner. Shouldn't be shocked that the King is still on top.I miss the console wars
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Radical_3d
Member
Friendly reminder that Hulst still has a job and you shouldn't be happy about that.
Bernardougf
Member
A closed system box without exclusives never existed or was successful ... I dont know what people are smoking to think that IF sony goes third party their hardware business will continue without a scratch. Even MS is not stupid enough to try this.. the moment they decided to go third party they pulled the plug on the xbox as it is, stopped replenishing stock and changed their strategy to oem open windows boxes and handhelds for the next gen.
Imagine if tomorrow nintendo went full third party with all games being released even if 1 year after in all platforms... how many people would still buy the switch 2 ? You can play their games on the ps5 and pc with even better IQ, on steam deck and other handhelds .. how that 500 weak ass box would sell as much as it did?
If they are only porting dogshit gaas or 3+ year old games ... meh so be it. Anything outside of that and they are committing brand seppuku imho
Imagine if tomorrow nintendo went full third party with all games being released even if 1 year after in all platforms... how many people would still buy the switch 2 ? You can play their games on the ps5 and pc with even better IQ, on steam deck and other handhelds .. how that 500 weak ass box would sell as much as it did?
If they are only porting dogshit gaas or 3+ year old games ... meh so be it. Anything outside of that and they are committing brand seppuku imho
Bernardougf
Member
And nintendo.