Sony Q3 earnings call: Plan to release 10 live service games by 2026
None of that is empirical evidence.
1. MS are just historically very bad at single player games and they suck at it, they have bought devs to fix that.
2. How are you figuring out "People already subscribing to play the first party GaaS games that MS predominantly currently offers"? Also remember there is a difference between why they sign up and what they play.
3. Again source of "Mtx being the main revenue driver from gamepass" how are you defining this? do F2P games outside of GP count? does games bought by GP users count against this or for it?
4. Don't know how you are coming to "It's clear GaaS are trying to thrive on it and AAA single player games are simply not." Its quite interesting to see the GP most popular chart, 50% i was classify as a GAAS. the rest are old AAA and smaller indies.
John Wick
Member
Exactly. I cant believe why people still can't understand why Sony bought Bungie for 3.6b. Just one or two hit games will recoup all the costs back.
John Wick
Member
Now we know why Sony was desperate for Bungie.
John Wick
Member
You must be an insider lol
1) They are historically very bad at single player games because they rejected most single player games. Their mandate historically has been social/online games because they have been pushing online subscriptions since the original xbox.
2) because MS make predominantly GaaS games so far and that is always sited as the reason why gamepass is great. Day one first party. even in the early days where people were saying Sea of thieves on gamepass is great.
3) you're the one who even said this. Now you're saying it's the oppisite? You said the aim is to get them through the door and monitise with mtx/dlc and it is.
4) exactly, old games and indies in your chart. The rest/majotity GaaS games. What's thriving to you based on that data?
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Hari Seldon
Member
You can have either GAAS or $70 + online tax. Pick one.
DrAspirino
Banned
Exactly.
A great example of a GaaS that is also a great single-player experience is the Hitman series by IO Interactive.Sure, you can play the campaign and be done with it, but you can also play the new levels and missions released periodically, as well as escalations and contracts created by other players.
There are GaaS that sucks big time and GaaS that are actually good, like everything in life.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Destiny has over 1M pre-orders for their new expansion...
I'd say Sony will start to recoup some good money even before any new game releases from them.
John Wick
Member
Can you imagine this with PS5 capabilities?Warhawks time to shine!
I'd love them to either make a new one or at least get Bluepoint to do a remake.
Herman Hulst said they had 25 PS5 games in development.
www.theverge.com
So nearly half of the games they are working on are GAAS.
Sony has 25 PS5 games in the works, including characters you’ve never seen
Hopefully bringing more next-gen to the next-gen console.
www.theverge.com
So nearly half of the games they are working on are GAAS.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Everything you said here has nothing to do with Gamepass. The biggest GaaS games right now are either free or cost a small entry fee. Literally zero GaaS games are locked behind Gamepass. You could spend ten thousand hours grinding GaaS games and not only don't you have to subscribe to Gamepass, you essentially have zero incentive to do so. That might change in the future of course.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Oh yes please
Interfectum
Member
Feels like karma coming back to the people whining about the "Playstation Template"
By the end of this gen people will be begging for that template back.
By the end of this gen people will be begging for that template back.
Dick Jones
Banned
GAAS
John Wick
Member
Some of those could be recent so may not affect the original 25 number?Herman Hulst said they had 25 PS5 games in development.
Sony has 25 PS5 games in the works, including characters you’ve never seen
Hopefully bringing more next-gen to the next-gen console.
So nearly half of the games they are working on are GAAS.
Ghost of Caelid
Banned
GAAS existed before fortnite.
bollocks about literally zero GaaS games are locked behind gamepass. That's a strawman. Where did I say you can't buy the games? I said a lot of people subscribe to Gamepass and play GaaS games. That's what's released and that's where the money is and that's what keeps people engaged to subscribe.
The majority of games played on Gamepass are GaaS.
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Ghost of Caelid
Banned
Good, but 10 seemed excessive. They have basically 0 right now. Also it seems like people group every multiplayer game into the GAAS model now. But I'm excited to turn my ps5 on to check into games daily like I do halo or ESO now. I don't want it to just be my single player exclusive box.
SportsFan581
Member
So here we are... the part where "gaas trash" becomes good now.
I know someone is going to crack out all the quotes soon enough lol
Remember when GP was going to make MS go all in on gaas?
Umbasaborne
Banned
Oh boy, cant wait
Bear*Walken*the*Sweeper
Member
Is that you Socom!?! Is this me!?!
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
They basically make like 2 single player games a year right now. 3 in a good year like 2020. Releasing 10 gaas games in the next 5 years will pretty much make them a GaaS developer.
Really hope they have scaled up but the lack of any new game announcements from them outside of the two insomniac marvel games is troubling.
Really hope they have scaled up but the lack of any new game announcements from them outside of the two insomniac marvel games is troubling.
Interfectum
Member
Any new single player games from them will begin to require GaaS elements when they see how much money they can make. Once Bungie's tech is entrenched at PS Studios every dev will use it.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
No, the majority of games played, period, are GaaS. It has nothing to do with Gamepass.
Captain Toad
Banned
Booooooo
GaaS is gross.
GaaS is gross.
Stuart360
Member
The Bungie buy is starting to look like a smart bit of businesss for Sony. Buying a studio that has a very successful GAAS game, and have done for years.
It kind of also explains the whole 'All future Bungie games will still be on everything' that people couldnt get their head around. Its simple, they didnt buy Bungie for their games, more for their experience and tools in the GAAS field.
Quite a smart buy for Sony to be honest.
It kind of also explains the whole 'All future Bungie games will still be on everything' that people couldnt get their head around. Its simple, they didnt buy Bungie for their games, more for their experience and tools in the GAAS field.
Quite a smart buy for Sony to be honest.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Strong disagree.
How many years was CoD on PlayStation consoles and it never inspired Sony to make multiplayer games themselves? Fortnite changed everything because Sony had first row seats to an entirely new class of game. The metrics Sony witnessed with Fortnite (concurrent players, mtx revenue, lasting appeal etc) was unlike any game they ever witnessed. Hell, it's been almost 5 years since release and Fortnite is still the biggest console game on the planet. It has no peers.
Sony witnessed the forward pass when Fortnite showed up. Complete game changer.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
I agree that it was a good buy, the price just seems a bit steep. Many people thought the $2.5b Minecraft deal was terrible, now in hindsight it looks like MS got away with robbery. The market sure is crazy nowadays.
Corpsepyre
Banned
Right, I don't see how this is good news for any fan of current-day Sony exclusives.
Let's hope they don't tack on un-needed MP elements onto their SP offerings. Looking at you, God of War: Ascension.
Let's hope they don't tack on un-needed MP elements onto their SP offerings. Looking at you, God of War: Ascension.
Stuart360
Member
Oh its def steep, especially when it seems more to do with Bungie's experience in the GAAS field, rather than their games.
Still if this GAAS style is the way they want to go, buying Bungie will def help them in that quest.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Yeah, I assume someone at Sony was like "we have no clue how to do GaaS, let's buy some of the best knowledge in the industry" and hence the price wasn't that important. It's a long term investment and it will likely pay off.
JLB
Banned
yeah, lets pretend theres no premium sp titles on pc, xbox and switch.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
And dynamic scorers existed before Michael Jordan...rock n roll existed before The Beatles...the fantasy genre existed before Lord of the Rings...
Fortnite is historic. It can only really be compared to games like Pong, Doom, and Mario 64 in terms of industry impact.
I always thought the story of Netflix telling shareholders "Fortnite is a bigger threat to us than HBO" was underappreciated in the gaming community. Sony wasn't going to let that statement slip by.
akaFullmetal
Member
Meh, but if one of those is the last of us factions then I'll try that.
tmlDan
Member
I used to hate GaaS but i think they've gotten better than they used to be, it might also be because I make more money and I whore myself out that I enjoy it more than 5 years ago.
But isn't it a bit cool to have these games you love that last forever and you can still have a good time and play it without spending a dollar? We hate it here, but its kinda cool that it exists in its current form
Destiny is free, Warzone is free, fortnite is free, pubg is free, Halo is free
most are not pay to win either anymore.
But isn't it a bit cool to have these games you love that last forever and you can still have a good time and play it without spending a dollar? We hate it here, but its kinda cool that it exists in its current form
Destiny is free, Warzone is free, fortnite is free, pubg is free, Halo is free
most are not pay to win either anymore.
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SteelCurtain 59
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Actually that's quite wrong, a GaaS that people "grind for 1000s of hours" will just have people buy that game instead, there'd be no reason for that person to subscribe to Game Pass if all they're going to play is 1-2 games. Not saying there isn't or won't be GaaS games made by Xbox 1st party, but Game Pass does not change how games are made in any significant capacity, other than allowing smaller "passion projects" like Grounded to be made.
If Elder Scrolls 6, or Avowed, or Outer Worlds 2, or Fable, or Hellblade 2, or Perfect Dark, or the new projects by inXile, Double Fine, Compulsion, etc. mostly end up being aggressively GaaS games with a lacking single player component than feel free to quote me and tell me how wrong I am, but there's no logical reason to believe Game Pass will make everything GaaS other than fearmongering or fear of subscription services.
Even games that fit GaaS models have still had substantial single player content (other than Sea of Thieves), like Halo: Infinite's campaign (with the multiplayer not even on Game Pass btw), or Forza Horizon 5 having more than enough to play single player
PropellerEar
Member
That is true but I disagree on something else not that. Gamepass promotes engagement (MAU) over game sales and that naturally promotes GaaS, and AAA single player games don't thrive on it. You can disagree but you often just do this with a strawman or gifs.
Which promotes engagement?
"1000s of hours spent grinding in a GaaS game or 20hrs completing a big budget single player game."
Somebody mentioned that people dont sub to gamepass for GaaS games because they can play them outside of it. I'm proving that they don't. And they certainly dont.
The majority of games played on it are GaaS games with microtransactions. The majority of new releases on it are GaaS. Way above 50% of the games played are GaaS. Among Us is a damn f2p game but one of the top Gamepass played games every day.
People are saying that new AAA single player releases can thrive just as well but I've seen literally nothing release for it so far and Sony refusing to release their AAA single player releases on theirs yet people are still adamant that this is not empirical evidence that they are not suited to it.
Somebody already mentioned this. That's not what people are doing.
Ass of Can Whooping
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CONGRATULATIONS TO MY FELLOW SHAREHOLDERS
not a shareholder anymore though but shh
not a shareholder anymore though but shh
yurinka
Member
1. Gran Turismo 7
2. TLOU2 MP game
3. Firewalk MP new IP
4. Guerrilla Games MP game (tactical squad shooter?)
5. Bungie / new IP 1 (plan to release AT LEAST one before 2025)
6. Bungie / new IP 2 (plan to release AT LEAST one before 2025)
7. Deviation Games new IP
8. Haven new IP
9. Firesprite new game (¿Twisted Metal / Wipeout / Motorstorm?)
10. Firesprite new IP
11. Destiny 3 in case they didn't include all its planned content on Destiny 2
I think London Studio, Bend, Insomniac or Sucker Punch are working on games that will feature MP but will be the traditional Sony case where the game is focused on a single player and will have a secondary MP game mode. And I think these games will be games as a product, not games as a service (which means not having a lot of post launch updates, dlc/mtx and season passes).
2. TLOU2 MP game
3. Firewalk MP new IP
4. Guerrilla Games MP game (tactical squad shooter?)
5. Bungie / new IP 1 (plan to release AT LEAST one before 2025)
6. Bungie / new IP 2 (plan to release AT LEAST one before 2025)
7. Deviation Games new IP
8. Haven new IP
9. Firesprite new game (¿Twisted Metal / Wipeout / Motorstorm?)
10. Firesprite new IP
11. Destiny 3 in case they didn't include all its planned content on Destiny 2
I think London Studio, Bend, Insomniac or Sucker Punch are working on games that will feature MP but will be the traditional Sony case where the game is focused on a single player and will have a secondary MP game mode. And I think these games will be games as a product, not games as a service (which means not having a lot of post launch updates, dlc/mtx and season passes).
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
I guess we have to agree to disagree. From my perspective, if all I ever played was GaaS stuff, why the hell would I ever subscribe to Gamepass? Makes zero sense.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Monster Hunter is one of them, book it.