ozz ex machina
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Literally two different posts above mine talking about 7 billion. Can you read?
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Sony takes up 1.9% stake of FROMSOFT parent company (will facilitate new IP and maximize value of old)
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hroerekr
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You can extrapolate from NPD and Europe rankings and compare it to previous entries. In Japan you have the numbers and It felt form a cliff compared to Dark Souls 3.
It shows how limiting the IP to a single user base is not good.
PC sales are strong with the series. If the goal is to expand (like the article states), multi-platform is the only way.
sublimit
Banned
You sir took the definition of "spinning to make assumptions out of my ass" at a whole other level. Congrats.
Ar¢tos
Member
???
Are you comparing the sales of a game exclusive to a supply constrained platform with a maximum audience of 4m with the sales of a multiplatform game that shipped to a potential audience of 200m+?
How fucking dumb is that?!?
If the IP belongs to Sony, FromSoftware was only hired workforce, then you are complaining that Sony is releasing their games only to their platforms??
hroerekr
Member
Why the aggressiveness? if you disagree you can elaborate.
yurinka
Member
Bullshit. You have no idea of the Demon's Souls sales and you have no idea if they reached their launch sales target or not.
From Software, Kadokawa Games and CyberAgent/Cygames have a history of making a ton of PlayStation exclusive games. They will continue doing them now, specially now that Kadokawa gave 2% of their shares to Sony and wants Sony to help them to expand Kadowaka games (which includes From) globally.
If Sony signed this deal is because they are happy with Kadokawa Games/From Software and want to continue working with them.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I really hope this is what that means when they said, "maximize value of old"
60fps and removing the frame pacing will be bliss.
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hroerekr
Member
Console tribalism is strong in this forum. People cannot enjoy something while wanting other people to also have access to it.
Ar¢tos
Member
Do you understand IP ownership?
sublimit
Banned
Not even that. He's spinning the sales of a game not even made by FromSoft in a period that there are no PS5's anywhere to be found in order to make an assumption of FromSoft's future exclusive titles...this is next level spinning man...like holy crap!
vaibhavpisal
Member
1.9%?
pffftttt
Microsoft wouldve bought 100% by paying 500% over market rate.
pffftttt
Microsoft wouldve bought 100% by paying 500% over market rate.
Skifi28
Member
Keeping the dream alive.
devilNprada
Member
What kind of pull does 1.9% even get you?
ZoukGalaxy
Member
This is actual good news !
Let's do Bloodborne sequel or something similar in atmosphere.
Let's do Bloodborne sequel or something similar in atmosphere.
VictorVectors
Member
You can get that much power from a 2% stake? There's some favors being traded behind the scenes . 2% ownership doesn't equate to the scope of this statement.
Is a 3% stake strong enough to get the Bloodborne patch?
Is a 3% stake strong enough to get the Bloodborne patch?
Haint
Member
About as much as that Gamestop share you bought last week. 1.9% is meaningless, this is some kind of weird Japanese businessman tradition that's purely customary or symbolic, a show of good faith for their cross media business ventures deal.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
$2.2 billion is nothing for MIcrosoft. Watch them swoop in and pick up From.
VictorVectors
Member
"Abysmal" is how you spell that.
Digitally, Demon's Souls was the number 12 game for ALL OF 2020. Considering it hit that mark in a single month on a platform sold out everywhere, I'd say you're reaching.
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yazenov
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Tales from the ass. Show us the receipt.
Its a remake of an old game, so development cost in no where near a new game from scratch. Also, its a 1st part game. So Sony takes the majority of the 70$ pure profit. Its also exclusive to a new console that sold around 4.5 million units since launch and is currently nowhere to be found due to high demand.
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VictorVectors
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Chromatic aberration?
yurinka
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Kadokawa gave 2% of their company because they want Sony to help Kadokawa to boost their global console gaming and anime audience because they traditionally are too focused on Japan.
If Sony now basically handles Kadokawa console games and anime outside Japan, they better keep Sony happy because Japanese anime and console markets are shrinking and shrinking while these worldwide markets outside Japan is growing.
Kadokawa's balls are in Sony's hands, it isn't just the 2%. We have to question, why Sony is interested in the gaming side of this deal?
Kadokawa, From or Cygames already made many Japanese focused console exclusives, so the interest of Sony in the gaming side of this deal can be seen as a way to secure they continue providing exclusive Japanese market focused games.
But Sony moved their focus out of Japan beause the Japanese home console market keeps shrinking to the point of being almost not important in the global context while home console market keeps growing elsewhere, and seems Kadokawa wants to do the same, to focus their products on a more global market.
So to secure Japanese exclusives that already were coming can be a part of Sony's interest, but very likely minor part if it's the case. In a global scale, Sony doesn't give a fuck about Kadokawa games and Spike Chunsoft games because they are very small. I think the main interest of Sony in this gaming deal is to have From Software making Bloodborne 2, Demon's Souls 2 or (even if owned or co-owned by Kadokawa) more PlayStation exclusive new IPs.
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Cyber_hunter026
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Nah, saw yours and it literally came off as you just whining about some people liking this news. again go over in the next thread about this, and nobody literally isn't even comparing it to the bethesda acquisition. revaluate what you're even saying because it's laughable lol. Also if it took two posts to trigger you about 7. 5 billion then my god thats sad XD.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
That's not gonna happen now. This is exactly why I think Sony made this deal.
Mister Wolf
Member
Remember when people thought Demon Soul's was a system seller.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Yes, an option to enable/disable for that too.
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VictorVectors
Member
It's evergreen, man. The people who want the system and can not yet buy the system will not buy the game for the system they do not have.
Mister Wolf
Member
Its a fart in the wind.
itsjustJEFF
Member
I hope they don't take the Souls series away from those who helped blow it up!
I think there is a good chance that Demon's Souls could come to PC in the future, how far into the future... who knows. I think parts of the PS walled garden is coming down a little.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
How much money would this be for? Did Sony give them more than $50 million?
ethomaz
Banned
Sure... share these number with us please?
ethomaz
Banned
It is around $40 millions in shares.
He brought $40 million in Gamestop shares last week?
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ethomaz
Banned
Imagine wanting that a game sells more than Dark Souls 3 in Japan where PS5 sold 150k units at launch.
That is how his spinning goes off.
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yurinka
Member
As far as we know, Sony didn't pay them/bought anything. Kadokawa gave both Cygames parent company and Sony 1.93% of the Kadowaka shares (~$40M) because Kadokawa wants these companies to help Kadokawa's games and anime to reach global audience (Kadokawa, like Cyber Agent, mostly focused on the Japanese market until now).
Sounds like Kadokawa wants to give their anime to western audience via Sony's Crunchyroll (and maybe Funimation), to get development help from Cygames (who make mobile games + Granblue Fantasy Versus, Granblue Fantasy Relink or Project Awakening) and Sony to help them to expand their console gaming focus from Japan to a global audience I assume that via marketing, distribution and who knows if even publishing.
And then to reinvest that extra money generated into expanding their IPs or creating new ones (remember, Kadokawa makes manga, books, magazines, real action films, anime or games).
Who knows, maybe they also want to use IPs from Sony and Cygames to create new manga and anime that may be appealing to that global market. It would be great to get manga and anime of Bloodborne, Gravity Rush, God of War, The Last of Us or Uncharted. Or even Gran Turismo or Wipeout.
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devilNprada
Member
Doesn't matter the cost... it's still only 1.9 % of ownership.
Dabaus
Banned
Huge Assumption on my part: From soft will be wrapping up 2 new IP and probably want to return to something more familiar that will have a certain guarantee of success. We assume elden ring will be good because of who is making it but the radio silence and no gameplay for almost 2 years now tells me its probably been a difficult project. A sequel to an established franchise might be alot less stressful.
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nikolino840
Member
Same thing of the 250mil on epic?
ozz ex machina
Member
English clearly isn't your first language if you can't understand I was calling out people who seemed to think this was some kind of equivalent piece of business for a lot less of the price. Silly silly boy.
Captain Toad
Banned
Looking at Demon's Souls and Bloodborne they get it anyway.
Cyber_hunter026
Member
No, you basically called them fanboys. Which you have no proof of and basically assumed they said or thought it was in the same league as that. I mean you took so much time to make a post about it is quite telling buddy. but go on and keep making it hilariously obvious you got a bit triggered lol.
BlitzerRadic
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Who knows how it works with corporations in Japan, but I was very surprised to find out what percentage of outstanding stock activist shareholders need to be able to influence a US corporation's board. We're talking like low single digits here.
x@3f*oo_e!
Member
Not the same thing. Activist investors are vocal about their ideas and attempt to influence or win over other larger shareholders - this isn't what is happening here.
The small shareholding is a bit like a formal handshake - it also formalises that company A has an interest in the fortunes of company B - essentially it's a gesture of good faith (1.9% is ~$54million according to my sums at current exchange rates btw)
BlitzerRadic
Member
Never said it was the same thing. I was just pointing out that 1.9% equity is enough to have some influence.
yurinka
Member
Sony didn't buy anything. Kadokawa gave them that 1.9% (as they did giving another 1.9% to Cygames' parent company) because they want Sony to help them to expand Kadokawa home console games and anime worldwide.
And well, I don't see Sony marketing and publishing Kadokawa games for Xbox and Switch. And From Software, Cygames and Kadowaka have a long tradition of PlayStation exclusive games.
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