Sony's Senior VP: Moving Away from Hardware Centric Business Model To Platform Business That Expands Community and Increases Engagement

Katatonic said:
All these PlayStation related threads by MS centric posters trying to control the narrative.
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Its not even that, bro, if its bad sony/playstation news i dont blame adamsapple for making new thread about it, it is what it is.
Us playstation fans gotta be smart about it and put on preasure tho, otherwise if we dont provide critique/vote with our wallets we will definitely end up in a place where xbox fans are right now, aka black hole.
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Yup. Most people saw this coming. The second they released Horizon ZD on PC (it ported over before PS5 even launched), you could tell they were already itching. At some point they even made a dedicated PC Playstation Publishing label around that time. They arent doing that for one or two PC ports. They are doing that to go big. It was just a matter of how long it'd take their dev teams to ramp up since the first year only had Horizon and DG.

And then more PC ports came out (way more), also Xbox MLB, Switch Lego Horizon, Xbox H2. So more will come. Again, it'll depend on which games and how much resources they got to do more ports on top of PC.

What will happen is exactly like MS. Lots of PC ports and then open up ports to competing consoles. It's just that based on legacy or helping boost the $$$, Sony did it in the middle. MS went first, Sony second, while Nintendo is last being totally walled off.

Sony has a big loyal fanbase, so PS6 will sell great I'm sure. But for fans on other systems who are locked into their ecosystem, Sony will pinch off sales from them too.

No different then McDonalds selling coffee packs in stores. They know not everyone wants to drive to a McDonalds to buy coffee there, so they're still happy getting people to buy a box of 40 coffee pods at Walmart. You'd think it's counterintuitive people can make their own McD coffee at home for dirt cheap, while killing higher margin coffee AND food sales if they can avoid stepping into a McD or drive thru.

But for overall business sales (and spreading out risk in case a console bombs), they got a combo of their main console and now additional revenue streams who'd never get a PS console.
 
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GHG said:
You're talking about something that you clearly don't understand and have no experience with.

This idea that Valve just sit there collecting money without doing anything to develop/innovate on their platform is just asinine. Do you think all the Steam APIs, SteamOS and Proton have just come out of thin air?

Also, miss me with the resentful yacht comment. Do you think that all the execs at all the other large and successful gaming companies aren't doing similar things with the money they've earned?
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If I go pc, am already prepared to install all the stores. I used to hang up on that previously. But now I won't be doing that. Those would be the only non essential software I will keep.
 
onQ123 said:
The bigger question is will it matter?


100 - 200 million PlayStation consoles vs 300m - 1 billion devices that can play the games.
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It isn't either/or. 100 - 200 million PlayStation consoles will make a hell of a lot of money.
 
Punished Miku said:
They don't make games. They don't employ people. I'll use Steam for stuff like indies or other titles not available anywhere else, but I'd rather use just about any other store first. GOG is better. MS store goes to people that make games. All of this will be irrelevant with prominent windows multi-stores. People can shop anywhere they want and it'll just load into your multi-library.
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They do make games, just not at the cadence you wish they did (not that you've ever had access to their more recent games anyway).

Also, they don't employ people? What are you even talking about? Total clown shoes.

I don't even know why I'm discussing this with you, you don't and have never even gamed on PC. You're just throwing shit out there without even caring whether or not it's grounded in reality.

Punished Miku said:
And like I said, anyone on PS with years of digital purchases will have to PRAY they make a PS Store on PC or else they are stuck on PS Hardware while they transition away from a hardware centric model.
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If Sony are going to be putting all of their games on PC going forwards then people can rebuy those games for next to nothing using 3rd party key sites.

I'd much rather repurchase my whole library on Steam than have to deal with any shitty storefront that they would come up with.
 
onQ123 said:
The bigger question is will it matter?


100 - 200 million PlayStation consoles vs 300m - 1 billion devices that can play the games.
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If you imagine losing all the 30% from the third party sales and digital transactions and all your subscriptions revenue it would matter.

This would be like Apple moving away from HW and bet only on their apps and services. You have a solid walled garden, nurture it!

They have no chance to make a store like Steam and get third parties in it, their first party studio stable is too small to just do software.

I think people are taking their comments way too far, I do not think they are copying the multiplatform strategy Xbox is running considering the effects on HW revenue and their subscriptions (imagine them without Activision Blizzard going full party and losing all those digital sales and microtransaction free 30% money from all third parties, yeah no….).
 
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Sony is being stupid if they will port more of there AA and AAA exclusives to PC, switch and the loser of console war xbox. Weird that they said they are profiting and on the lead but still committed harakiri.
They are making it pointless to purchase ps5 and in the future ps6.
 
coachmcguirk91 said:
Day and date matters big time. A lot gamers will not wait 2 years for ports. Playstation will still be the only device to play all AAA day 1 games, except Nintendo games
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I highly doubt there will be 2 years wait gap anymore for any of the new releases. Because Sony knows the hype would have died down. I am expected Astrobot pc release this year or at worse early next year ( or one of Sony games )

If spider man 2 didn't last more than 1 year, nothing else will ( aside from GT7 or older games like demon souls remake for some fucked Jo reason )
 
I have no problem with Sony going fully 3rd party even though i have a gaming PC with a 9800X3D with a 5070TI my main gaming platform will always be PS as long as Sony continues with releasing Consoles.

As not only do i prefer playing on consoles but i also have a huge library of games (762 from last count which is made up of PS1/PS2/PS4 and PS5 games) on PS5.

I will eventually buy most of them on Steam but i will always wait for a big sale as i will never pay full price for a game on steam that i already bought on PS.
 
Topher said:
It isn't either/or. 100 - 200 million PlayStation consoles will make a hell of a lot of money.
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If they go 100% multiplatform you can kiss those HW sales and the PSN+ ecosystem money mostly goodbye. I have not seen their leadership being stupid in the last 10 or so years and that is why I do think people are taking this comment waaaay to far.
 
Panajev2001a said:
If they go 100% multiplatform you can kiss those HW sales and the PSN+ ecosystem money mostly goodbye. I have not seen their leadership being stupid in the last 10 or so years and that is why I do think people are taking this comment waaaay to far.
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why? who likes to play on console will stay on console...
 
I can't believe Microsoft mindfucked Sony into giving up their thriving platform business to chase after a 70% cut on catalog multiplatform sales. Phil Spencer is truly a genius
 
The reality of higher development costs, longer development timelines, and what will probably be unfavorable pricing on future hardware is setting in. Not only will games be on PC sooner, they'll stay cross-gen longer.
 
OK Sony, Don't forget about the older games.
Astrobots! All of em including the VR games.
I still need Uncharted 1-3 and all the Ratchet and Clank games on my PC.
Might even try out that Resistance Game I keep hearing about.
 
yogaflame said:
They are making it pointless to purchase ps5 and in the future ps6.
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Not pointless, just one option. Playstation will likely still attempt to subsidize the hardware, so it's mostly going to come down to cost. And if they don't ever pursue a PC store at all then it'll be the only place to use your existing library.
 
//DEVIL// said:
I highly doubt there will be 2 years wait gap anymore for any of the new releases. Because Sony knows the hype would have died down. I am expected Astrobot pc release this year or at worse early next year ( or one of Sony games )

If spider man 2 didn't last more than 1 year, nothing else will ( aside from GT7 or older games like demon souls remake for some fucked Jo reason )
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If you look at PC sales, Playstation games coming sooner to PC did not increase their sales. I still think it will depend on the game, but 1-2 years makes sense
 
Punished Miku said:
Not pointless, just one option. Playstation will likely still attempt to subsidize the hardware, so it's mostly going to come down to cost. And if they don't ever pursue a PC store at all then it'll be the only place to use your existing library.
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Sony is making a big gamble with so much risk, and in the long run which will turn off so many PS owners and fans. I really don't know if they have real gamers in there board of directors or just MBA people who don't even play games.
 
yogaflame said:
Sony is making a big gamble with so much risk, and in the long run which will turn off so many PS owners and fans. I really don't know if they have real gamers in there board of directors or just MBA people who don't even play games.
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It's not a gamble. It's not something that was only going to affect Xbox. It's just reality. 1) Hardware will keep getting more expensive. 2) Younger people are not buying in at the same rates, and they've grown up expecting access to their content on everything across devices. 3) China is exploding in growth, and is mostly on PC. 4) Massive political uncertainty affecting hardware and supply chains, 5) Game development costs are increasing faster than the audience is growing. 6) Traditional console gamers are increasing in median age, and approaching their late 40s and 50s.

The gamble is not preparing for multiple outcomes.
 
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Panajev2001a said:
If you imagine losing all the 30% from the third party sales and digital transactions and all your subscriptions revenue it would matter.

This would be like Apple moving away from HW and bet only on their apps and services. You have a solid walled garden, nurture it!

They have no chance to make a store like Steam and get third parties in it, their first party studio stable is too small to just do software.

I think people are taking their comments way too far, I do not think they are copying the multiplatform strategy Xbox is running considering the effects on HW revenue and their subscriptions (imagine them without Activision Blizzard going full party and losing all those digital sales and microtransaction free 30% money from all third parties, yeah no….).
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Hardware sales will not drop off that much in fact there is a chance that it will grow but that format of getting 30% is in danger By governments. PlayStation would be a sitting duck if they're forced to open up PlayStation to competitors while taking a hit on hardware but everyone else is just enjoying the benefits of the unlimited user-base across different platforms.
 
PSFore said:
What console are people going to buy instead? Might lose some to the Switch 2 if they end up porting games there, but it's always been a different market than the Xbox/PlayStation.
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Walk away entirely if the offerings are garbage or look elsewhere if there is a comparable experience.

For some that also might be some pc handhelds. If you used to buy Playstation because of Japanese support than buying a steamdeck is just as good.
 
Microsoft leading the way again, we realy have been the saviours of gaming the last 20 yrs with fresh ideas and pushing forward, we move and a couple yrs later here come Sony doing the same thing 😄💪🟢.
 
Panajev2001a said:
If you imagine losing all the 30% from the third party sales and digital transactions and all your subscriptions revenue it would matter.

This would be like Apple moving away from HW and bet only on their apps and services. You have a solid walled garden, nurture it!

They have no chance to make a store like Steam and get third parties in it, their first party studio stable is too small to just do software.

I think people are taking their comments way too far, I do not think they are copying the multiplatform strategy Xbox is running considering the effects on HW revenue and their subscriptions (imagine them without Activision Blizzard going full party and losing all those digital sales and microtransaction free 30% money from all third parties, yeah no….).
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Even Apple realizes you cant hold everything in an ecosystem. And historically Apple is the biggest walled garden computer company, who even makes PC vs Apple TV ads.

You can use Apple Music and Apple TV on PC/Android.

If walled off ecosystems were best thing ever, if there's one company that should wall it off is Apple since they got expensive hardware. Why let a guy with a cheap Dell or free smartphone from their provider leach Apple services for cheap, when the best money maker is getting the guy to do that on an iPhone or Mac, plus warranty plan etc...?

But they know not everyone cares about Apple hardware as they are happy with their own gear. So best way to max out money is do hardware for the loyal fans, and skim sales from other groups of people.

Not everyone is going to convert to the home team platform. But they might nibble on iTunes.
 
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yogaflame said:
Sony is making a big gamble with so much risk, and in the long run which will turn off so many PS owners and fans. I really don't know if they have real gamers in there board of directors or just MBA people who don't even play games.
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Exactly, You can't tell Xbox from PlayStation on PC, an Identity crisis is coming definitely.
 
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