Sony's Senior VP: Moving Away from Hardware Centric Business Model To Platform Business That Expands Community and Increases Engagement
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tomato shrub
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I don't care about 1st party, I just want a good home console with a disc drive. At least give me another decade, please. Then AI will kill the industry anyway.
Sept Terrion Of Nothing
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Didn't they say from the beginning that they make profit from software aka game sales on their consoles? Well since last 3 years I haven't spent any cent on their store because their games are coming to PC.
As I've said before: I'm not rich and I don't double dip anymore. I also won't buy anymore of Playstation consoles in the future as well. My only regret that I bought PSN+ subscription on a long term a long time ago. That is why I couldn't sell my PS5. Will just keep adding monthly games to the library.
As I've said before: I'm not rich and I don't double dip anymore. I also won't buy anymore of Playstation consoles in the future as well. My only regret that I bought PSN+ subscription on a long term a long time ago. That is why I couldn't sell my PS5. Will just keep adding monthly games to the library.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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On second thought,
adamsapple
should've quoted the entire quote, not just a part for clickbait. The whole quote:
This isn't a "the whole slate" situation or statement. Granted, I've little confidence SIE won't eventually shift to what Microsoft's done, which is why I'm still very much preferring to go Nintendo & Steam Deck/Steambox in the future for my core gaming setup. But the full quote doesn't read like a "We're going full multiplatform, full slate" type of shift.
I partly blame SIE as usual; they give these long-winded responses where you have to read whole paragraphs to get the actual point. Can't they just come out and say "No, we are not considering a multiplatform strategy similar to certain other platform holders in the near, mid or long-term as things currently stand.". Quick, to the point, clear and concise. As usual, it's long-winded comments with purposeful ambiguity.
adamsapple
should've quoted the entire quote, not just a part for clickbait. The whole quote:
This isn't a "the whole slate" situation or statement. Granted, I've little confidence SIE won't eventually shift to what Microsoft's done, which is why I'm still very much preferring to go Nintendo & Steam Deck/Steambox in the future for my core gaming setup. But the full quote doesn't read like a "We're going full multiplatform, full slate" type of shift.
I partly blame SIE as usual; they give these long-winded responses where you have to read whole paragraphs to get the actual point. Can't they just come out and say "No, we are not considering a multiplatform strategy similar to certain other platform holders in the near, mid or long-term as things currently stand.". Quick, to the point, clear and concise. As usual, it's long-winded comments with purposeful ambiguity.
Killjoy-NL
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That happens when the console war is over.Yup. They are going multi platform just like Xbox..
Doesn't matter if it's day one or a year later. They are going everywhere.
Lol it's over.
The tears will be legendary.
Xbox is done and Nintendo and PC have their own specific demographics.
Any company would change focus.
LuckyLuke
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Honestly, the alternative is the cloud. It's a niche, and I don't think it will ever become mainstream or very important in the future.
playbignbox
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lmao
sncvsrtoip
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Well without real gamepass rival good luck, next sega incoming
tmlDan
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I dont think it'll ever be the main way to play either but the slice of gaming pie will diversify further in the future, thats all im saying. It wont just be on a console.
LordCBH
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Looks like the hat I imagine a Fairgame$ screenshot would look like.
bender
What time is it?
The long term ramifications will be interesting. Sony's games mostly haven't lit the sales charts on fire when going to other platforms. I'm sure the porting efforts have mostly been profitable with some potential exceptions (Lego Horizon, Sackboy Adventure). There are a bunch of factors as to why that is (release timing, marketing, pricing, port quality, game selection, etc.), but I'd imagine Sony expected better sell through. I think the strategy made a lot of sense when Sony was going full bore on their GAAS push as a larger community benefits their own ecosystem in that regard, but jettisoning just about the only exclusives to your platform is bold. Things like cross generation support and the tick/tock cycle of base/pro consoles has already muddied the waters of when one should upgrade to Sony's next hardware. Removing exclusives just further muddies that water. Anecdotally, I've owned every Sony platform save for the PS5 Pro and I don't think I'd have missed much to this point in the PS5's lifecycle had I just stuck with my PS4 Pro. I don't think I'll be there day one for a PS6 at this rate. Is that thinking unique to me? Maybe. But this is the first generation that we've really seen cross generation support and a lot of first party exclusives going elsewhere. I just wonder if Sony can keep maintain that 200 million userbase will giving that userbase fewer and fewer reasons to invest in their platforms. A game sale in their own ecosystem is far more valuable than it is somewhere else and that has little to do with the 30% cut that a Valve takes and the lost opportunity cost of getting that buyer into their subscription service. There are other factors of course that help Sony as Xbox is no longer a competitor and PC hardware pricing helping a subsidized PlayStation look like a really good value. I don't think we'll have a good answer to my questions until the end of next generation as eroding customer confidence can be a gradual process.
//DEVIL//
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Who know. Who really cares too ? Like let's be honest. Sonys 1st party output has been a joke with the PS5 . And they were very dependent on third party deals like final fantasy 16, rebirth . Wukong, stellar blade etc not to hit other systems or pc for sometime ( aside from wukong)
Even some of their biggest games this generation like hell divers isn't even a second party studio ( because Sony is stupid they even lost the chance to buy them ).
Like… anyone really that excited for a Wolverine game ? Or is ghost of Yoti that exciting to be called a console seller or people drive in to the store to a buy ps5 ??? If it's me then lol nope not even close.
So whenever they come they come, plenty of games on PC or else where in general to keep me busy. It's not like I buy these games day one. 90% of the time I wait for a deep sale outside of games like BF or call of duty for my online fix ( even cod I am skipping this year ) .
It's just in general the PlayStation titles coming up are very few and very far for someone to care that much. By the time it takes them to release a new game, the older one will be already on pc or close to.
Thus news just in general confirm that they are aiming to be a multi platform company. They are banking on extra sales from PC and for people that can't afford a PC, then there is a PS5 they can buy.
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The charitable way to read this is that they recognize that "Playstation" or "PSN" itself, as in the ecosystem tying together ps4, ps5, ps5 pro, ps6, ps6 portable, etc. on the backend is the actual platform going forward, and not the individual hardware devices. Basically the Apple model. In that case, they would be 100% correct. Because in the past their consoles like ps2, ps3, psp, vita etc. were all completely separate platforms with their own games, digital stores, online networks, sdk's, and so on. Even if they were all owned by Sony and part of the overall playstation business, they were in some sense competing against themselves. Hence it was very important for Sony to get old console users to transition en masse to whatever their new console or "platform" was. Individual hardware sales were the key metric for this. But in the current regime, it is less important to them how many units of ps5, or ps5 pro, or ps6 they sell, as long as they are selling something with the ps name. The customer will buying more or less the same games and the same microtransactions from the same store. The important metric is MAU.
OTOH, if they just mean "lol we're going to sell all of our games on the competition's platforms!", then yeah, they're cooked.
OTOH, if they just mean "lol we're going to sell all of our games on the competition's platforms!", then yeah, they're cooked.
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ForAcademicPurposes
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Directed by James Gunn.
playbignbox
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Yes, it's a lot of drama over woke games like Yotei no longer being exclusive lol
Loxus
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What about revenue from hardware sales and revenue from PS Plus subscriptions to play online on Playstation hardware?
Surely going that route declines revenue and may end the Playstation brand.
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Omnipunctual Godot
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I wonder if this is due, in part, to Sony being sued for overcharging on its closed storefront.
FalsettoVibe
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On second thought,
This isn't a "the whole slate" situation or statement. Granted, I've little confidence SIE won't eventually shift to what Microsoft's done, which is why I'm still very much preferring to go Nintendo & Steam Deck/Steambox in the future for my core gaming setup. But the full quote doesn't read like a "We're going full multiplatform, full slate" type of shift.
I partly blame SIE as usual; they give these long-winded responses where you have to read whole paragraphs to get the actual point. Can't they just come out and say "No, we are not considering a multiplatform strategy similar to certain other platform holders in the near, mid or long-term as things currently stand.". Quick, to the point, clear and concise. As usual, it's long-winded comments with purposeful ambiguity.
ODDI
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Finally, Store Wars.
ForAcademicPurposes
Gold Member
So, who is going to fund & create vidya? Not me.
Shadowstar39
Member
Saw this coming I just hope they don't give up on tvs and devices. More completion is always better and means lower prices. As for going side, Sony has been woke shit for a almost a decade now outside of 2 games, days gone and astrobot.
Even 3rd party games that used to be Sony only like persona, hot shots golf etc are now multiplaform. Hell their exclusives are too.
Even 3rd party games that used to be Sony only like persona, hot shots golf etc are now multiplaform. Hell their exclusives are too.
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Still there unless there is a big drop-off in subscriptions
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
Sorry, no.
Cloud infrastructure is never going to take over for core gaming. Networking and energy physics/economics do not allow for it.
Say goodbye to the medium as you know it though.
Hero_Select
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UniformDeliverance
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This is good. I'd rather have all the games on one platform, rather than have to buy multiple platforms to have all the games.
If you're still getting upset about other plastic boxes having access to games that run on your plastic box… man I hate to say grow up. But dude.
If you're still getting upset about other plastic boxes having access to games that run on your plastic box… man I hate to say grow up. But dude.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Sony hasn't been selling Playstation consoles with a loss since the PS4. And when I don't buy into PS6, Sony will be missing out on 6-8 years of PS+ subscriptions, I won't need two PS6 controllers, I won't buy anything on their store, I'll buy games from grey sellers at discount prices, etc etc. Sony will absolutely make less money from me that way.
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thismeinteil
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As I said in another thread, I'll wait and see how this presents itself. Sony would be an idiot to look at their most profitable gen ever, and see how well Nintendo is doing, but change everything to follow MS in their approach to the gaming market with modern Xbox. A brand that is quickly becoming irrelevant.
asdasdasdbb
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Again, the majority of the PS revenue is PS+ and their cut of third party GAAS.
It's very likely if they continue down this path, they will end up with the same fate as XBox.
LordOcidax
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thismeinteil
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Yes, we get it, you're stupid. Doesn't change what I said.
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tmlDan
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i feel like you people just have trouble reading, never did i say cloud would take over, i said the pie would diversify
Fabieter
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Well hopefully sony has the balls to finally drop ps+ requirement for mp.
If they really think they have a good service (they dont) they should easily do it.
lughnasadh123
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Sounds like a vague word salad with people carving off meanings that suit their own narrative.
Sony going multiplat like Xbox beyond what they're doing now makes little to no sense at all.
Sony going multiplat like Xbox beyond what they're doing now makes little to no sense at all.
Sanepar
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Lol keep dreaming subscription services and cloud will dominate. This will never happen.
Poor people will play on cloud, but dedicate hw is not going anywhere next 10-20 years.
It's already presenting itself by their increased direction of porting games to other platforms, people like you just keep moving goalposts every time a new threshold is crossed because you don't like the direction they're going.
UniformDeliverance
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Why should you or I care about that?
I can spend less money, have all my games on one box, rather than have to spend more money on multi boxes and multiple subscriptions. Explain to me how exclusives help the consumer
Furthermore, PlayStation won the hardware war. People aren't going to switch to Xbox, and pc is prohibitively expensive for many. Do you think people will leave the PlayStation brand in droves because their exclusives are on other platforms? Brother… I have news for you.. The top played games on their system aren't even their own exclusives
1) fortnite
2) call of duty (an Xbox game no less!)
3) gta5
PlayStation will be fine. And even if it's not I ask again.. why do you care about their financial situation? Play games on any platform you want.
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Fabieter
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It basically means more service, more sub, cross media etc. You know sruff a normal gamer don't care about.
Loxus
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There'll be a big drop off if all Sony games are available anywhere else without the online subscription, I can tell you that.
Musashipan
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Hey sonyfans, it's okay to be multi. Calm down, no need for harsh decisions. Everything is going to be all right!
playbignbox
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I'll give you three spoilers about how it's going to be:
1- All games will be multi platform, they will be released also for Xbox and Switch.
2- Games will go day one, at least on PC.
3- PlayStation hardware is going to keep selling the same thing despite all of this.
All these posts of "PlayStation hardware will die like Xbox" are totally disconnected from reality, Sony will make more money than they ever dreamed of. Console sales will not be affected.
Musashipan
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They have always been kings!Nintendo isnow!
Let's see how long they can keep it like that
No they would make significantly less money. Do you think Valve would make more money if they shut down Steam and shifted their focus to making and selling games?
The amount of money they make as a platform holder is an order of magnitude greater than what they would get as a multiplatform software publisher. In fact, the only reason they are able to fund all of these huge budget, "prestige" games they are associated with is because of the revenue generated by the platform. A regular third party can't afford those kinds production costs.
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