SniperHunter
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yea people keep forgetting Sony titles actually sell well in Europe and Japan. Didn't Uncharted 3 sell like 100k+ in a week in Japan alone?
Damn, a lot of factually wrong points and assumptions without receipts.snip
Yea, now that Resistance is completely dead. Sony should only focus on Killzone and that Sony Santa Monica FPS for PS4. Hopefully that way, KZ4 will sell a lot on PS4 (by having a bigger development and marketing budget)
You would be wrong , once again Sony has games that sell just as much as MS expect for Halo cause GT was down this gen .
UC or GOW sell near as much as Gears just not in NA , hardware and software sales are not only NA .
yea people keep forgetting Sony titles actually sell well in Europe and Japan. Didn't Uncharted 3 sell like 100k+ in a week in Japan alone?
This is correct -- and you could also point out that Gears is developed by a third party and thus could in theory jump ship any time their contract is up. Even if they dont jump ship, it means Microsoft needs to continuously spend a significant amount of money on contracts just to keep the game exclusive.
Its first week sales were higher than Uncharted 2's lifetime sales. They put a lot of effort into marketing it in Japan. From getting Harrison Ford to do commercials for it to broadcasting a TV drama for it.
The Microsoft hype machine did wonders for that series.
Doesn't KOEI games sell more than that?yea people keep forgetting Sony titles actually sell well in Europe and Japan. Didn't Uncharted 3 sell like 100k+ in a week in Japan alone?
God of War 3 sold over 1 million in NPD in it's first month. That isn't exactly common even with multiplatform games. Regardless, the 360 has twice the userbase as PS3 in north America. If an action game can sell that much on PS3 alone what makes it so different from genres that are much more mass market,such as shooters, that sell 2-3 million in one month on 360? Especially considering GoW3 did that in March.
100k+ isn't really much for Japan, UC3 did 122k 1st week but only 164k total. I wouldn't trumpet SCE's Japanese sales in general either, especially given how far their marquee million sellers like GT and Mingol have fallen. PS3 did worst by a large margin in Japan, SCEA easily held on better than Japan did.yea people keep forgetting Sony titles actually sell well in Europe and Japan. Didn't Uncharted 3 sell like 100k+ in a week in Japan alone?
But now I hope we can step back and see why many objective observers dont feel Sonys first party offerings are very strong. Microsofts first party is considered weak, right? So why isnt Sonys first party also considered weak if they sell a similar amount of first party software in most years?
It's just that there are other brilliant software options.
Sony should keep it up, but if they're expecting to dominate the industry again they have nothing but disappointment ahead. MS and Ninty have stepped up their game and I don't see why either one would all of a sudden fall off.
No one is going to dominate the industry again. This generation is a pretty good indication of that. Everyone ended up doing pretty damn well, which shows that the industry has grown to the point where they can handle multiple successful consoles. Plus no one is ever going to be able to get the level of exclusives that the PSone and PS2 had.
This is correct -- and you could also point out that Gears is developed by a third party and thus could in theory jump ship any time their contract is up. Even if they dont jump ship, it means Microsoft needs to continuously spend a significant amount of money on contracts just to keep the game exclusive.
But now I hope we can step back and see why many objective observers dont feel Sonys first party offerings are not very strong. Microsofts first party is considered weak, right? So why isnt Sonys first party also considered weak if they sell a similar amount of first party software in most years?
Microsoft will. Sony can't afford to outspend Microsoft so Microsoft will be able to secure early 3rd support and undercut Sony at the start of the generation. That momentum will define much of the next gen barring lighting striking twice for Nintentdo.
Microsoft will. Sony can't afford to outspend Microsoft so Microsoft will be able to secure early 3rd support and undercut Sony at the start of the generation. That momentum will define much of the next gen barring lighting striking twice for Nintentdo.
Microsoft will. Sony can't afford to outspend Microsoft so Microsoft will be able to secure early 3rd support and undercut Sony at the start of the generation. That momentum will define much of the next gen barring lighting striking twice for Nintentdo.
I think it's the variety that garners Sony the respect in terms of 1st/2nd party exclusive games. Microsoft definitely has some heavy hitters, but lets be real, it's gears/halo/gears/halo ad infinitum (I don't know if that's a word). Also I didn't include Forza because that's not a heavy hitter is it? If it is then my badThis is correct -- and you could also point out that Gears is developed by a third party and thus could in theory jump ship any time their contract is up. Even if they dont jump ship, it means Microsoft needs to continuously spend a significant amount of money on contracts just to keep the game exclusive.
But now I hope we can step back and see why many objective observers dont feel Sonys first party offerings are very strong. Microsofts first party is considered weak, right? So why isnt Sonys first party also considered weak if they sell a similar amount of first party software in most years?
Microsoft will. Sony can't afford to outspend Microsoft so Microsoft will be able to secure early 3rd support and undercut Sony at the start of the generation. That momentum will define much of the next gen barring lighting striking twice for Nintentdo.
And why didn't MS do this...this gen? They were scrapping for parity with PS3 in terms of third party support, and it came pretty easily because publishers wanted a multiplatform strategy.
They'll want the same next-gen.
I think MS had the best opportunity to manifest the kind of scenario you're painting in the early years of this gen. And they did try. I don't think Sony will throw them the same amount of rope next-gen.
Assassin's Creed, GTA, DMC and RE5 all went multi-plat as you've noted. Then beyond that most of the Japanese development was exclusive to the 360 (Tales, Infinite Undiscovery, Last Remenant, Dead Rising, Lost Planet). Later when Microsoft noted Japan's irrelevance, they secured the map pack exclusivity for CoD, exclusive content for Tomb Raider, exclusive modes for Resident Evil (technically ORC), etc.
The 360's launch was hampered by the assumption that the PS3 would be amazing and uncertainty over the Wii. The infallibility of Sony's console was quickly dispelled this generation and there was that developer poll that indicated that Microsoft would be the likely winner of next gen.
So next gen, XBOX8 will still benefit from Microsoft's exceptional ability to secure some degree of exclusivity as they see fit and isn't going to be facing an imaginary sleeping giant like the 360 did.
sleepykyo said:Microsoft will. Sony can't afford to outspend Microsoft so Microsoft will be able to secure early 3rd support and undercut Sony at the start of the generation. That momentum will define much of the next gen barring lighting striking twice for Nintentdo.
Assassin's Creed, GTA, DMC and RE5 all went multi-plat as you've noted. Then beyond that most of the Japanese development was exclusive to the 360 (Tales, Infinite Undiscovery, Last Remenant, Dead Rising, Lost Planet). Later when Microsoft noted Japan's irrelevance, they secured the map pack exclusivity for CoD, exclusive content for Tomb Raider, exclusive modes for Resident Evil (technically ORC), etc.
The 360's launch was hampered by the assumption that the PS3 would be amazing and uncertainty over the Wii. The infallibility of Sony's console was quickly dispelled this generation and there was that developer poll that indicated that Microsoft would be the likely winner of next gen.
So next gen, XBOX8 will still benefit from Microsoft's exceptional ability to secure some degree of exclusivity as they see fit and isn't going to be facing an imaginary sleeping giant like the 360 did.
Don't think so.Microsoft will. Sony can't afford to outspend Microsoft so Microsoft will be able to secure early 3rd support and undercut Sony at the start of the generation. That momentum will define much of the next gen barring lighting striking twice for Nintentdo.
The 'imaginary sleeping giant' turned into a laughing stock about 6 months after 360 launched. Things soured for Sony long before MS stopped 'trying'.
As you note, MS tried really really hard in the early years to get a leg up over PS3. The Japanese exclusivities they pursued aggressively bought them nothing in the territory despite those pushes continuing long after things soured for PS3.
Don't get me wrong, I think MS will again try to make things as uncomfortable as possible for Sony, if they have the same underdog hunger they did at the start of this gen. But I expect Sony to make less of an effort to make things as uncomfortable as possible for themselves in addition...it would be foolish for MS to underestimate Sony IMO.
You're talking about two very different things here. You quoted my original post about actual exclusive games and said that MS will do that next gen, but now you're suddenly talking about DLC or extra missions. The amount of money that anyone would need to secure the major exclusive titles in the industry now would be through the roof. Devs costs are so high now that devs can't take the risk of only launching on one console when there are others than can run their games. They need to make as much money as possible right out the gate.
I'm not taking issue with the premise regarding the caliber of exclusives, but conclusion that Microsoft won't dominate next gen.
I think Sony needs to want it, have that revenge in their eye like they did for Nintendo when they entered the console market, because Sony as a company can make things uncomfortable as you put it, they did with the original Playstation & PS2, god knows what happened this gen, they just let everyone walk over them, Sony 2006 was not the same company from 1994, Ohga would not have approved on how things was handled.The 'imaginary sleeping giant' turned into a laughing stock about 6 months after 360 launched. Things soured for Sony long before MS stopped 'trying'.
As you note, MS tried really really hard in the early years to get a leg up over PS3. The Japanese exclusivities they pursued aggressively bought them nothing in the territory despite those pushes continuing long after things soured for PS3.
Don't get me wrong, I think MS will again try to make things as uncomfortable as possible for Sony, if they have the same underdog hunger they did at the start of this gen. But I expect Sony to make less of an effort to make things as uncomfortable as possible for themselves in addition...it would be foolish for MS to underestimate Sony IMO.
I think Sony needs to want it, have that revenge in their eye like they did for Nintendo when they entered the console market, because Sony as a company can make things uncomfortable as you put it, they did with the original Playstation & PS2, god knows what happened this gen, they just let everyone walk over them, Sony 2006 was not the same company from 1994.
This thread has spun into chaos and poop.
We shouldn't be comparing 1st party game sales, we should be comparing 3rd party sales vs. 1st party sales. Halo and Uncharted respectability sell decently, but finding out much 3rd party software performs on PS3 would be the better indicator of how well 1st party games are selling for the console.
And this attitude of "Ugh, stupid american Xbox 360 owners" is so fucking childish, there's a lot more wrong with this country besides videogame preference. No one has out right said the bolded, but it's not hard to sense that weird attitude.
I'm not taking issue with the the caliber of exclusives, but conclusion that Microsoft won't dominate next gen.
Did you sleep through the entirety of Gamescom?Sony's mistake is clearly the Vita. There are so much wrong done on that poor system
- proprietary memory card
- no real answer for psp BC
- ps3-Vita cross play never become fruition since it require buying 2 copies.
- poor 3rd party support
I think the way Sony markets the Vita as portable PS3 is not working at all. It should be clear by now that majority don't care about console experience on the go. It's too niche to make it profitable. Instead, Sony can try turning the Vita into a portable MMO system. It's already happening in Japan with the like of Ragnarock Odyssey (and some other games.. I don't remember the name) and up coming PO2. Online gaming market is still healthy and if Sony can crack that market with its handheld then it is be their big success.
The 'imaginary sleeping giant' turned into a laughing stock about 6 months after 360 launched. Things soured for Sony long before MS stopped 'trying'.
As you note, MS tried really really hard in the early years to get a leg up over PS3. The Japanese exclusivities they pursued aggressively bought them nothing in the territory despite those pushes continuing long after things soured for PS3.
Don't get me wrong, I think MS will again try to make things as uncomfortable as possible for Sony, if they have the same underdog hunger they did at the start of this gen. But I expect Sony to make less of an effort to make things as uncomfortable as possible for themselves in addition...it would be foolish for MS to underestimate Sony IMO.
So why aren't consumers buying Vita for Uncharted and Wipeout?
"Stop liking a company because you're a fan of their products, they are a business you shouldn't defend them!!"
I'm not on anyone's side here but the "stop defending Sony!" posts are pretty ridiculous, fan(boy)s are fan(boy)s, even they have the right to voice their opinion. But hey, ignore me and go on with the discussion, this is going to end well.
Proceed.
I wish Sony was doing better. time and time again, they show that they have some truly incredible developers at their side. Many of the games they just announced look quite clever and creative The Last of Us looks like another hit. They have supported more 'artsy' games like Journey and Flower. Are they perfect? No. But they really offer up a lot more quality titles than Microsoft does (IMO).
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PSN has steadily been improving to the point where I think some people are actually leaving Live in favor of it.
May I just point out that this gen is nothing new, Nintendo & Sega shared the market too, things changeHow are they going to do that without locking down the major third party titles as exclusives? Games are still going to be what sells these consoles even if they're able to bring in some people through other ways. The PSone dominated because Sony basically made the N64 irrelevant outside of Nitnendo software. That's where the whole "You only buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games" meme started. Sony locked down nearly every major third party title and then did the same thing last generation. The PS2 has sold 154m while the GC and Xbox combined sold 45m.
I just don't see how anyone can dominate the console industry again. Third party software is almost completely multiplatform now and the development prices are too high for most devs to even risk timed exclusivity. I expect next gen to be a lot like this gen. There will obviously be a "winner" but everyone should end up doing well and no one will get blown out like we saw with the PSone and PS2.
Sony made four big mistakes:
1) launching at 599
2) weak software in PS3's first year
3) let Microsoft get a head start
4) PSN was garbage at first
None of this will happen again next generation. PSN has steadily been improving to the point where I think some people are actually leaving Live in favor of it. They will not launch at 599 again. Developers like Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, and Media Molecule will be there from the very start. They'll launch with or maybe even before Microsoft.
How are they going to do that without locking down the major third party titles as exclusives?
How are they going to do that without locking down the major third party titles as exclusives? Games are still going to be what sells these consoles even if they're able to bring in some people through other ways. The PSone dominated because Sony basically made the N64 irrelevant outside of Nitnendo software. That's where the whole "You only buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games" meme started. Sony locked down nearly every major third party title and then did the same thing last generation. The PS2 has sold 154m while the GC and Xbox combined sold 45m.
I just don't see how anyone can dominate the console industry again. Third party software is almost completely multiplatform now and the development prices are too high for most devs to even risk timed exclusivity. I expect next gen to be a lot like this gen. There will obviously be a "winner" but everyone should end up doing well and no one will get blown out like we saw with the PSone and PS2.
The timed exclusive and exclusive content may end up being enough. Then there will be the exclusive titles due to XBOX8 launching before the PS4.
controller and OS.
The PS3 controller is absolute dogshit and the triggers are practically unusable for games in which they are meant to be used the most: shooting and racing games. You know this is an issue when shooters on PS3 start using the R1 as the default shoot button.