Sony's software brilliance still isn't enough ( gamesindustry.biz )

"Stop liking a company because you're a fan of their products, they are a business you shouldn't defend them!!"

I'm not on anyone's side here but the "stop defending Sony!" posts are pretty ridiculous, fan(boy)s are fan(boy)s, even they have the right to voice their opinion :p. But hey, ignore me and go on with the discussion, this is going to end well.

Proceed.
 
WTF?? inFamous is one of the best open world games I have played this gen. And I played almost all of them except for Crackdown. If anything the inFamous series deserves more attention (except for that Dracula add on)

Youre insane. FOB was the best infamous game all round.

ice jump in inFamous 2 >>>> anything in Festival of Blood. The Halloween theme just didn't match the vibe of the series IMO of course. And the frame rate was kinda bad due to overuse of particle effects.

Batswarm was much more useful than icejump.

/though i did miss ice jumping.
 
It would have sold 5 million copies if Mario was running around the environment instead of Sackboy.

The difference is that if Nintendo made this game it would've been much much better gameplay, controls and mechanics wise, the create/share aspect of the game was pure genius and undoubtedly revolutionary in the console space but it's controls/gameplay was floaty, clunky and boring..something that was mostly overlooked by most reviewers when they gave the game 90+ scores.
 
The difference is that if Nintendo made this game it would've been much much better gameplay, controls and mechanics wise, the create/share aspect of the game was pure genius and undoubtedly revolutionary in the console space but it's controls/gameplay was floaty, clunky and boring..something that was mostly overlooked by most reviewers when they gave the game 90+ scores.

Or maybe the reviewers didn't share your opinion. Crazier things have happened.
 
The hate is strong with this one.


Im trying to make sense of this post, but it just isn't there.

PS3 is the top-selling console in 2012 because of the success of the PS2?
It's hard to take anything seriously when "top selling of 2012" is used without actual numbers; top selling could mean the competition is doing like 1000 units less, something unimportant in the grand scheme of things. They will never catch the competition it looks like.

It's just like watching the PSP sell a couple more thousand units than DS in Japan in the past year; what really does it matter now?
 
Hey guise, what's going on in this threAAAA---OH SHIT.

Seriously though. I feel bad for Sony this gen. It's been a tough time for them. I primarily game on 360 (and probably transitioning to PC if some of the next gen rumors are to be believed). E3 was a punch in the gut for sure, but GC certainly made up for that.

That said, I absolutely LOVE my Vita. I just wish the world would embrace it. Such a sexy device, and what's weird is, I actually justified my purchase simply by buying the MGS HD collection (again...) for it.

And with Killzone, Ass Creed, and Most Wanted coming, I'm seriously hyped. I hope Kojima puts out something exclusive soon. That would be awesome.
 
Or maybe the reviewers didn't share your opinion. Crazier things have happened.

Well consumers largely did it would seem, as every subsequent LBP sold a lot less than the first IIRC.

EDIT: Just to be clear, I loved LBP. I spent countless hours building Rube Goldberg bombs, rockets, mechas, and carnival rides. But like most other awesome content creation games (Spore) the creator outshined the mechanics.
 
The difference is that if Nintendo made this game it would've been much much better gameplay, controls and mechanics wise, the create/share aspect of the game was pure genius and undoubtedly revolutionary in the console space but it's controls/gameplay was floaty, clunky and boring..something that was mostly overlooked by most reviewers when they gave the game 90+ scores.
lbp has its own style. and it is no better or worse than mario or any other. it may not be the best decision to make it floaty if aiming to massmarket but that is another thing. mario does nothing better than explosion man for example.
 
Im trying to make sense of this post, but it just isn't there.

PS3 is the top-selling console in 2012 because of the success of the PS2?

PS3 stands on its own feet today, funnily enough though PS2 may be the reason for PS3 selling so well in 2012. If PS3 had come into the market without the PS2's success, who knows how things would have panned out.

Sony has lots of great exclusives, more than MS and Ninty, trouble is whilst they have the lieks of Uncharted, GT ect to go toe to toe with Mario, Halo, Gears, ect, the smaller games do nothing for them, they're more or less on an even playing field when it comes to games selling the system.
 
But thats true of any of the big three. 90% of Nintendo's output is borderline crap. Microsoft's got a few good ones but most are forgettable. I can count in one hand good Wii games.

I agree with you on nintendo but people's nostalgia overcomes mediocrity.

I would also agree on MS for the most part if you are talking disc based but XBLA exclusives first or third party have made it by far the best exclusive lineup this gen.

Hell I would take XBLA exclusives vs. all nintendo/ms/sony disc based exclusives COMBINED.
 
lbp has its own style. and it is no better or worse than mario or any other. it may not be the best decision to make it floaty if aiming to massmarket but that is another thing. mario does nothing better than explosion man for example.

Yes, yes it does. Super meat boy i could sort of see (and it still wouldn't be true) but not splosion man.

I agree with you on nintendo but people's nostalgia overcomes mediocrity.

So you agree that 90% of nintendos games are borderline crap? What the hell am i reading here lol. Sure they may not meet your taste but to call the vast majority of their games mediocre simply isn't based on reality. It's also hilarious to say they only sell based on nostalgia. What nostalgia are the people buying wii X games based on? Not to mention the fact that they are selling so many more copies of their games. The wii is going to sell 100+ million consoles, so something like 40 million more than any of their other consoles, how can that all be nostalgia?

Maybe, just maybe you could accept that maybe your taste is different to other people.
 
I really don't understand why Sony games don't sells more. Some of them have good ratings, price drop occurs relatively fast, and even with that it still don't work.
 
ice jump in inFamous 2 >>>> anything in Festival of Blood. The Halloween theme just didn't match the vibe of the series IMO of course. And the frame rate was kinda bad due to overuse of particle effects.

Ice Launch (Jump) should have become an all round power instead of just lumping it with choosing Kuo, I loved jumping around form building to building and it made getting around a lot more fun, now if they could have made the lightning tether more like say Spider-man web slinging traversal would become a breeze.


It's a racing game so it never really gets the media attention that a new Zelda will get. At least not with the games media. I guess that's why you see Kaz doing quite a few interviews with magazines like Car and Driver as well as Motortrend. In general GT relies heavily on marketing outside of typical gaming sites.

Ay, didn't they make their GT5 budget back on GT5:P alone making GT5 mostly profit from day 1 or something, and with all the endorsements they do with car companies for multiple different things they really get around.
Just a shame it takes them so long to get their games out.
 
Well this thread has now turned into my opinion is better vs. yours.


I really don't understand why Sony games don't sells more. Some of them have good ratings, price drop occurs relatively fast, and even with that it still don't work.
Apparently they sell well enough on a world wide bases.
 
So you'd call LBP's gameplay/controls precise, fast and fun?
it is not fast nor precise. it is fun. you do not like it? good. but lbp ain t mario. it has its own gameplay because it is a different game. if want a similar experience then smbros and playstation all stars would be a better comparison. and as you may have read nintendo isn t the one that can.make fun games
 
ice jump in inFamous 2 >>>> anything in Festival of Blood. The Halloween theme just didn't match the vibe of the series IMO of course. And the frame rate was kinda bad due to overuse of particle effects.

Youre insane. FOB was the best infamous game all round.

Batswarm was much more useful than icejump.

/though i did miss ice jumping.

Although I still think the first inFamous is the overall best of the series, FoB is a close second, even though the framerate was admittedly not the best. And yeah, batswarm >>>>>>> ice jump, even though the latter was admittedly kinda neat too. Lightning tether was still the best power in i2, it just kinda sucked how you didn't get it until towards the very end of the game.
 
Ice Launch (Jump) should have become an all round power instead of just lumping it with choosing Kuo, I loved jumping around form building to building and it made getting around a lot more fun, now if they could have made the lightning tether more like say Spider-man web slinging traversal would become a breeze.

That wouldn't have worked in inFamous. Game doesn't really take place near a big city like New York and it won't work at all once you get to the shanty town district.

Infamous 2 bombed really hard. Same for Killzone 3, Resistance 3, Motorstorm 3 and a few others...

Out of those only Resistance 3 and MotorStorm 3 bombed. I play Killzone 3 a lot these days and most of the multiplayer matches are always full :)
 
lbp has its own style. and it is no better or worse than mario or any other. it may not be the best decision to make it floaty if aiming to massmarket but that is another thing. mario does nothing better than explosion man for example.

Yeah just like Killzone 2 had these controls for a reason, guns had weight and all that nonsense? the game is at something like 92% on metacritic and when it came out (since afterwards they released a patch IIRC) it was controlling like the analogue sticks on the DS3 were broken and all that in a genre that demands precision...yet no reviewer was having a problem with the controls.

It's funny when the broken controls of the game are twisted around as something unique and interesting...it's like releasing a fighting game with laggy/unresponsive controls and just call it a design decision to make it sound cool.
 
Well this thread has now turned into my opinion is better vs. yours.

Yep as every discussion about any of the console brands on this board. You can get away with a lot more slamming or trolling Microsoft but to be honest it sucks no matter whose doing it. If you walk into this thread that is clearly labeled "SONY SOFTWARE BRILLIANCE" and question it you're a troll ahah. None of the three have had software brilliance this entire generation with 1st party efforts. They all have their ups and downs. Third parties have carried this generation and since those games are on all the systems then consumers are choosing cheaper options to play them. Plain and simple. Earlier this generation if you wanted third party games you went with Microsoft because it was both cheaper, the games look better usually, and you normally got extra content if you wanted it. That was on average. It's more even now but that is what got the console market where it is in North America. I can't comment on VITA because to be honest it looks like a fine piece of hardware. The price doesn't seem to outrageous for it. It's just people want to sink that money in an IPAD instead and younger games want Nintendo franchises. These things were known before that device got launched. To date they have been unsuccessful in changing consumers mindsets they had before they launched it.
 
That wouldn't have worked in inFamous. Game doesn't really take place near a big city like New York and it won't work at all once you get to the shanty town district.

I don't quite mean literally swinging around, I just thought it should have had more freedom of movement instead of how slightly clumsy it was going point to point, a little more free flowing. Would have been better if it was just tired to holding R2 down instead of having to switch to it, being able to ice launch and tether across stuff would have been awesome.


What? Infamous 2 opened up with 386k in the June NPD last year. Is that a bomb these days?

Everything that isn't CoD, Halo or Gears is bombing these days apparently.
 
Ignoring the fact that i disagree with you, that statement is very different to saying that mario does nothing better than splosion man.
i was talking about controls/gameplay regarding lbp's floaty means bad argument. But i still see nothing excepcional in mario's 2d platformers these days. they deem to be done in auto mode with an level editor.
 
Infamous 2 bombed really hard. Same for Killzone 3, Resistance 3, Motorstorm 3 and a few others...


Receipt for said claim?

What? Infamous 2 opened up with 369k in the June NPD last year. Is that a bomb these days?

Opening numbers aren't lifetime numbers. Also America is not the world. I want to see a receipt that these games all bombed like he claims.
 
Maybe, just maybe you could accept that maybe your taste is different to other people.

Yes it is my opinion the vast majority of their games are bad to mediocre to potentially great but crippled by reoccurring issues they don't seem to want to fix.


My favorite games are likely thought to be shit by many people as well.


I'm missing your point?
 
The difference is that if Nintendo made this game it would've been much much better gameplay, controls and mechanics wise, the create/share aspect of the game was pure genius and undoubtedly revolutionary in the console space but it's controls/gameplay was floaty, clunky and boring..something that was mostly overlooked by most reviewers when they gave the game 90+ scores.

LBP is mainly about the creating aspect and that's what reviews rightly focused on. The gameplay is far from boring, btw.
 
I don't quite mean literally swinging around, I just thought it should have had more freedom of movement instead of how slightly clumsy it was going point to point, a little more free flowing. Would have been better if it was just tired to holding R2 down instead of having to switch to it, being able to ice launch and tether across stuff would have been awesome.

Well that's a great idea, I agree with you. It would have made the traversal even more fun.
 
Yes it is my opinion the vast majority of their games are bad to mediocre to potentially great but crippled by reoccurring issues they don't seem to want to fix.

My favorite games are likely thought to be shit by many people as well.

I'm missing your point?

That the comment '90% of nintendos games are bad to mediocre' is one that is just so hyperbolic that i can barely take it seriously.

I don't like most of sonys, MS's and even quite a bit of nintendos output. I can still recognise the difference between those games not appealing to me and thinking they are outright garbage.
 
Yep as every discussion about any of the console brands on this board. You can get away with a lot more slamming or trolling Microsoft but to be honest it sucks no matter whose doing it. If you walk into this thread that is clearly labeled "SONY SOFTWARE BRILLIANCE" and question it you're a troll ahah. None of the three have had software brilliance this entire generation with 1st party efforts. They all have their ups and downs. Third parties have carried this generation and since those games are on all the systems then consumers are choosing cheaper options to play them. Plain and simple. Earlier this generation if you wanted third party games you went with Microsoft because it was both cheaper, the games look better usually, and you normally got extra content if you wanted it. That was on average. It's more even now but that is what got the console market where it is in North America. I can't comment on VITA because to be honest it looks like a fine piece of hardware. The price doesn't seem to outrageous for it. It's just people want to sink that money in an IPAD instead and younger games want Nintendo franchises. These things were known before that device got launched. To date they have been unsuccessful in changing consumers mindsets they had before they launched it.

That's happened?
 
Yeah just like Killzone 2 had these controls for a reason, guns had weight and all that nonsense? the game is at something like 92% on metacritic and when it came out (since afterwards they released a patch IIRC) it was controlling like the analogue sticks on the DS3 were broken and all that in a genre that demands precision...yet no reviewer was having a problem with the controls.

It's funny when the broken controls of the game are twisted around as something unique and interesting...it's like releasing a fighting game with laggy/unresponsive controls and just call it a design decision to make it sound cool.
it is a design desicion.like it or not. kz3 controls disliked many kz2 fans because changed into cod mode. but if what you say was true, gears slow clunky heavy gameplay should be banned because other tps games are faster and more varied. yet it magically appeals to lots of gamers and has high reviews. lol
 
Yep as every discussion about any of the console brands on this board. You can get away with a lot more slamming or trolling Microsoft but to be honest it sucks no matter whose doing it. If you walk into this thread that is clearly labeled "SONY SOFTWARE BRILLIANCE" and question it you're a troll ahah. None of the three have had software brilliance this entire generation with 1st party efforts. They all have their ups and downs. Third parties have carried this generation and since those games are on all the systems then consumers are choosing cheaper options to play them. Plain and simple. Earlier this generation if you wanted third party games you went with Microsoft because it was both cheaper, the games look better usually, and you normally got extra content if you wanted it. That was on average. It's more even now but that is what got the console market where it is in North America. I can't comment on VITA because to be honest it looks like a fine piece of hardware. The price doesn't seem to outrageous for it. It's just people want to sink that money in an IPAD instead and younger games want Nintendo franchises. These things were known before that device got launched. To date they have been unsuccessful in changing consumers mindsets they had before they launched it.

GOW 3, uncharted series, infamous, LBP are not brilliance? What has done the third parties of so better? Don't remember honestly.
 
By reading gaf I was under the impression that Infamous 2 bombed... I mean I've read it here many times.
Sorry if I'm wrong, and I am really glad if it's not the case because the game deserve it.

But the fact that Sony don't talk about it isn't like it at least underperformed?

But yeah I'm really happy if good games have good sales.
 
By reading gaf I was under the impression that Infamous 2 bombed... I mean I've read it here many times.
Sorry if I'm wrong, and I am really glad if it's not the case because the game deserve it.

But the fact that Sony don't talk about it isn't like it at least underperformed?

But yeah I'm really happy if good games have good sales.

Yea, now that Resistance is completely dead. Sony should only focus on Killzone and that Sony Santa Monica FPS for PS4. Hopefully that way, KZ4 will sell a lot on PS4 (by having a bigger development and marketing budget)
 
By reading gaf I was under the impression that Infamous 2 bombed... I mean I've read it here many times.
Sorry if I'm wrong, and I am really glad if it's not the case because the game deserve it.

But the fact that Sony don't talk about it isn't like it at least underperformed?

But yeah I'm really happy if good games have good sales.

The majority of Gaf seems to think all Sony first party games are "medicore" but those opinions don't mean shit because that's just gaf not the WW opinion. Infamous 2 is hated(lol idek why) but it didn't flop.
 
It's worth saying that LBP sold most of it's copies when the game was at a low price. It's the same with UC 1 and 2 as well.
 
Yea, now that Resistance is completely dead. Sony should only focus on Killzone and that Sony Santa Monica FPS for PS4. Hopefully that way, KZ4 will sell a lot on PS4 (by having a bigger development and marketing budget)
while i like the killzone world i think that ship has sailed and sony should go for new ip if they want to find their own AAA fps.
 
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