SniperHunter
Banned
ice jump in inFamous 2 >>>> anything in Festival of Blood. The Halloween theme just didn't match the vibe of the series IMO of course. And the frame rate was kinda bad due to overuse of particle effects.
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ice jump in inFamous 2 >>>> anything in Festival of Blood. The Halloween theme just didn't match the vibe of the series IMO of course. And the frame rate was kinda bad due to overuse of particle effects.
Well it sold around 4 million plus made a fuckton from DLC so I'd say it's doing alright.
"Stop liking a company because you're a fan of their products, they are a business you shouldn't defend them!!"
I'm not on anyone's side here but the "stop defending Sony!" posts are pretty ridiculous, fan(boy)s are fan(boy)s, even they have the right to voice their opinion
. But hey, ignore me and go on with the discussion, this is going to end well.
Proceed.
I'm not on anyone's side here but the "stop defending Sony!" posts are pretty ridiculous, fan(boy)s are fan(boy)s, even they have the right to voice their opinion
. But hey, ignore me and go on with the discussion, this is going to end well. Proceed.
Raonak
Banned
Youre insane. FOB was the best infamous game all round.
Batswarm was much more useful than icejump.
/though i did miss ice jumping.
The difference is that if Nintendo made this game it would've been much much better gameplay, controls and mechanics wise, the create/share aspect of the game was pure genius and undoubtedly revolutionary in the console space but it's controls/gameplay was floaty, clunky and boring..something that was mostly overlooked by most reviewers when they gave the game 90+ scores.
Or maybe the reviewers didn't share your opinion. Crazier things have happened.
It's hard to take anything seriously when "top selling of 2012" is used without actual numbers; top selling could mean the competition is doing like 1000 units less, something unimportant in the grand scheme of things. They will never catch the competition it looks like.
It's just like watching the PSP sell a couple more thousand units than DS in Japan in the past year; what really does it matter now?
legacyzero
Banned
Hey guise, what's going on in this threAAAA---OH SHIT.
Seriously though. I feel bad for Sony this gen. It's been a tough time for them. I primarily game on 360 (and probably transitioning to PC if some of the next gen rumors are to be believed). E3 was a punch in the gut for sure, but GC certainly made up for that.
That said, I absolutely LOVE my Vita. I just wish the world would embrace it. Such a sexy device, and what's weird is, I actually justified my purchase simply by buying the MGS HD collection (again...) for it.
And with Killzone, Ass Creed, and Most Wanted coming, I'm seriously hyped. I hope Kojima puts out something exclusive soon. That would be awesome.
Seriously though. I feel bad for Sony this gen. It's been a tough time for them. I primarily game on 360 (and probably transitioning to PC if some of the next gen rumors are to be believed). E3 was a punch in the gut for sure, but GC certainly made up for that.
That said, I absolutely LOVE my Vita. I just wish the world would embrace it. Such a sexy device, and what's weird is, I actually justified my purchase simply by buying the MGS HD collection (again...) for it.
And with Killzone, Ass Creed, and Most Wanted coming, I'm seriously hyped. I hope Kojima puts out something exclusive soon. That would be awesome.
Snowden's Secret
Banned
Well consumers largely did it would seem, as every subsequent LBP sold a lot less than the first IIRC.
EDIT: Just to be clear, I loved LBP. I spent countless hours building Rube Goldberg bombs, rockets, mechas, and carnival rides. But like most other awesome content creation games (Spore) the creator outshined the mechanics.
lbp has its own style. and it is no better or worse than mario or any other. it may not be the best decision to make it floaty if aiming to massmarket but that is another thing. mario does nothing better than explosion man for example.
not quite sure thats true
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
LBP 1-2 sold 8 million, so consumers somewhat agree.
Raonak
Banned
Unlikely. But, the FOX Engine has been built with PS3/360/PC and Vita in mind, so all Fox engine games should be coming to vita too.
PS3 stands on its own feet today, funnily enough though PS2 may be the reason for PS3 selling so well in 2012. If PS3 had come into the market without the PS2's success, who knows how things would have panned out.
Sony has lots of great exclusives, more than MS and Ninty, trouble is whilst they have the lieks of Uncharted, GT ect to go toe to toe with Mario, Halo, Gears, ect, the smaller games do nothing for them, they're more or less on an even playing field when it comes to games selling the system.
So you'd call LBP's gameplay/controls precise, fast and fun?
I agree with you on nintendo but people's nostalgia overcomes mediocrity.
I would also agree on MS for the most part if you are talking disc based but XBLA exclusives first or third party have made it by far the best exclusive lineup this gen.
Hell I would take XBLA exclusives vs. all nintendo/ms/sony disc based exclusives COMBINED.
AdventureRacing
Member
Yes, yes it does. Super meat boy i could sort of see (and it still wouldn't be true) but not splosion man.
So you agree that 90% of nintendos games are borderline crap? What the hell am i reading here lol. Sure they may not meet your taste but to call the vast majority of their games mediocre simply isn't based on reality. It's also hilarious to say they only sell based on nostalgia. What nostalgia are the people buying wii X games based on? Not to mention the fact that they are selling so many more copies of their games. The wii is going to sell 100+ million consoles, so something like 40 million more than any of their other consoles, how can that all be nostalgia?
Maybe, just maybe you could accept that maybe your taste is different to other people.
Ice Launch (Jump) should have become an all round power instead of just lumping it with choosing Kuo, I loved jumping around form building to building and it made getting around a lot more fun, now if they could have made the lightning tether more like say Spider-man web slinging traversal would become a breeze.
Ay, didn't they make their GT5 budget back on GT5
alone making GT5 mostly profit from day 1 or something, and with all the endorsements they do with car companies for multiple different things they really get around.Just a shame it takes them so long to get their games out.
SniperHunter
Banned
Well this thread has now turned into my opinion is better vs. yours.
Apparently they sell well enough on a world wide bases.
it is not fast nor precise. it is fun. you do not like it? good. but lbp ain t mario. it has its own gameplay because it is a different game. if want a similar experience then smbros and playstation all stars would be a better comparison. and as you may have read nintendo isn t the one that can.make fun games
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Although I still think the first inFamous is the overall best of the series, FoB is a close second, even though the framerate was admittedly not the best. And yeah, batswarm >>>>>>> ice jump, even though the latter was admittedly kinda neat too. Lightning tether was still the best power in i2, it just kinda sucked how you didn't get it until towards the very end of the game.
Infamous 2 bombed really hard. Same for Killzone 3, Resistance 3, Motorstorm 3 and a few others...
SniperHunter
Banned
That wouldn't have worked in inFamous. Game doesn't really take place near a big city like New York and it won't work at all once you get to the shanty town district.
Out of those only Resistance 3 and MotorStorm 3 bombed. I play Killzone 3 a lot these days and most of the multiplayer matches are always full
i see nothing excepcional in mario's recent 2d platformers. splosion man controls are as tight fast and 'fun' as mario's .
Uno Venova
Banned
How do we know stuff like this.
AdventureRacing
Member
Ignoring the fact that i disagree with you, that statement is very different to saying that mario does nothing better than splosion man.
WrenchNinja
Member
Infamous 2 bombed?
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
I always see posts about how inFamous 2 bombed, but then others will appear to tell me it did just fine in terms of sales. Make up your mind, GAF.
Yeah just like Killzone 2 had these controls for a reason, guns had weight and all that nonsense? the game is at something like 92% on metacritic and when it came out (since afterwards they released a patch IIRC) it was controlling like the analogue sticks on the DS3 were broken and all that in a genre that demands precision...yet no reviewer was having a problem with the controls.
It's funny when the broken controls of the game are twisted around as something unique and interesting...it's like releasing a fighting game with laggy/unresponsive controls and just call it a design decision to make it sound cool.
What? Infamous 2 opened up with 369k in the June NPD last year. Is that a bomb these days?
HocusPocus
Member
Yep as every discussion about any of the console brands on this board. You can get away with a lot more slamming or trolling Microsoft but to be honest it sucks no matter whose doing it. If you walk into this thread that is clearly labeled "SONY SOFTWARE BRILLIANCE" and question it you're a troll ahah. None of the three have had software brilliance this entire generation with 1st party efforts. They all have their ups and downs. Third parties have carried this generation and since those games are on all the systems then consumers are choosing cheaper options to play them. Plain and simple. Earlier this generation if you wanted third party games you went with Microsoft because it was both cheaper, the games look better usually, and you normally got extra content if you wanted it. That was on average. It's more even now but that is what got the console market where it is in North America. I can't comment on VITA because to be honest it looks like a fine piece of hardware. The price doesn't seem to outrageous for it. It's just people want to sink that money in an IPAD instead and younger games want Nintendo franchises. These things were known before that device got launched. To date they have been unsuccessful in changing consumers mindsets they had before they launched it.
I don't quite mean literally swinging around, I just thought it should have had more freedom of movement instead of how slightly clumsy it was going point to point, a little more free flowing. Would have been better if it was just tired to holding R2 down instead of having to switch to it, being able to ice launch and tether across stuff would have been awesome.
Everything that isn't CoD, Halo or Gears is bombing these days apparently.
We should just collectively buy another million copies. Then we'll know it sold at least a million copies.
i was talking about controls/gameplay regarding lbp's floaty means bad argument. But i still see nothing excepcional in mario's 2d platformers these days. they deem to be done in auto mode with an level editor.
Receipt for said claim?
Opening numbers aren't lifetime numbers. Also America is not the world. I want to see a receipt that these games all bombed like he claims.
Yes it is my opinion the vast majority of their games are bad to mediocre to potentially great but crippled by reoccurring issues they don't seem to want to fix.
My favorite games are likely thought to be shit by many people as well.
I'm missing your point?
Infamous 2 not bombed. The cost of development aren't that high to need massive sold like KZ & surely an Halloween dlc would never released if bombed.
Don'tBeWeird
Member
LBP is mainly about the creating aspect and that's what reviews rightly focused on. The gameplay is far from boring, btw.
SniperHunter
Banned
Well that's a great idea, I agree with you. It would have made the traversal even more fun.
Yes it's not enough. Gamescom is a step in the right direction (in the execution department). Please bring more.
Price and software aren't enough too. Need to ignite consumers' imagination and also improve usability. Hardware is important too, don't neglect it.
AdventureRacing
Member
That the comment '90% of nintendos games are bad to mediocre' is one that is just so hyperbolic that i can barely take it seriously.
I don't like most of sonys, MS's and even quite a bit of nintendos output. I can still recognise the difference between those games not appealing to me and thinking they are outright garbage.
Uno Venova
Banned
That's happened?
it is a design desicion.like it or not. kz3 controls disliked many kz2 fans because changed into cod mode. but if what you say was true, gears slow clunky heavy gameplay should be banned because other tps games are faster and more varied. yet it magically appeals to lots of gamers and has high reviews. lol
GOW 3, uncharted series, infamous, LBP are not brilliance? What has done the third parties of so better? Don't remember honestly.
By reading gaf I was under the impression that Infamous 2 bombed... I mean I've read it here many times.
Sorry if I'm wrong, and I am really glad if it's not the case because the game deserve it.
But the fact that Sony don't talk about it isn't like it at least underperformed?
But yeah I'm really happy if good games have good sales.
Sorry if I'm wrong, and I am really glad if it's not the case because the game deserve it.
But the fact that Sony don't talk about it isn't like it at least underperformed?
But yeah I'm really happy if good games have good sales.
SniperHunter
Banned
Yea, now that Resistance is completely dead. Sony should only focus on Killzone and that Sony Santa Monica FPS for PS4. Hopefully that way, KZ4 will sell a lot on PS4 (by having a bigger development and marketing budget)
The majority of Gaf seems to think all Sony first party games are "medicore" but those opinions don't mean shit because that's just gaf not the WW opinion. Infamous 2 is hated(lol idek why) but it didn't flop.
while i like the killzone world i think that ship has sailed and sony should go for new ip if they want to find their own AAA fps.