Unspeakable Evil
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Kids that are bullies this day and age look more "diverse" that what your typical highschool bully use to look like.
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In an alternate universe maybe. Can you take me there?
I could see Donald Glover playing a young Robbie Robertson. They seem to be doing a lot of different takes on characters (I'm loving that Flash Thompson casting). Glover as Robbie could be really cool. Especially if we play up him knowing Peter's identity. Or he's Miles Morales dad (I'm kidding...). In either case, this cast is looking awesome. Really impressed. And oh man, Bokeem Woodbine as Shocker would be fucking amazing.
Great idea. He could be Jonas trainee instead of the Co-Publisher/Editor/Whatever he is at the Bugle.
Veritigo_X
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I was watching the Incredible Hulk the other day and noticed Martin Starr actually had a small part in it! I'm sure it will have zero connection to Spider Man, but I thought it was funny since Marvel tends to not reuse actors like that.
Kenneth Choi, who played Jim Morita in Captain America: The First Avenger, will be in Homecoming as the principal.
Bro, I'm a high school athlete, I'm skinny and shit since my legs is where most my muscle is, I play rugby. Bullies can look like me, or look like some giant ass people like my teammates. This ain't the 60s anymore with a stereotypical "Jock" bully.
That kind of stuff wouldn't even really be able to happen for years realistically. Not that I think that is the plan for his character at all. Also you don't even need to be anything resembling a stereotypical jock to join the army.
Pai Pai Master
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Oddly enough I think the novelization of the film credited that character as Amadeus Cho for some reason lol
Green Mamba
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That was just my guess, we have no idea if Iron Man proper shows up or not.
All this talk of Tony's Flash, has anyone seen this shot of him from the set?
I can see Flash here.
The contrast was Flash was popular Star football player and Peter was a dork people picked on. Jocks are still the same today as they were in the 60's
New Flash looks like a guy Peter could beat up with out spider powers. Other version of flash is someone that would easily beat the snot out of Peter if he wanted to
Veritigo_X
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Iron Spider confirmed??
Pai Pai Master
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Heh, I had only seen the off-set photos before with his long hair and thought they were going for a pretty different take on Flash. He does look more like one would expect on-set after they cut his hair. Popped collar and all.
Really like him as an actor so I'm looking forward to seeing his portrayal. I hope he has a character arc like we got in Spectacular.
Secret Fawful
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I feel like their take on Flash is basically going to be Emilio Estevez's character in the Breakfast Club.
darkhunger
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The point is that the "jock" itself is a stereotype, basically the one where student athletes are big meat heads who bully the weak and get all the girls.
I don't really mind that Marvel is trying to break that to reflect the various other types of bullying in contemporary times. These days attitudes toward "athletes" and "nerds" are very different than it was even a decade or two ago.
torre_avenue
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Popped collar polo practically screams "douche", which means he's totally Flash. Like a Jersey Shore-version of Flash.
peanutbutterlatte
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"Why are these two 35 year olds beating each other up?"
More_Badass
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Trust me, the guys on my brother's football team look just like that. Complete with braces and glasses too
And honestly, it doesn't matter what the person looks like. The interaction matters. You don't need to be a big hulking guy to be a horrible bully. There are worse ways to abuse and humiliate a person than beating them up
I think people's issue with Flash is that Peter was a weak nerd type and Flash was a strong bully. It was more of a blatant contrast between the two characters and when Peter got his powers he did not abuse his physical superiority over others. You know, "with great powers comes great responsibility" and all of that. Tony Revolori just doesn't really look the type.
But once you move past that, you still get a bully being just a straight-up dick to a guy even if they don't get physical. So worse case scenario we miss out on a scene of Peter being more athletic/stronger than Flash Thompson. Also nobody gives a crap about Flash Thompson and every depiction of him in film has been dumb and as an insignificant character. They could have just cast Craig Roberts as his wheelchair bound muscular dystrophy character from The Fundamentals of Caring as Flash Thompson and just have him constantly slinging insults at Peter the whole time and still have the same amount of impact as any other movie Flash. But seeing as they cast someone who is somewhat known and talented I am guessing that they have plans to actually turn him into a character with an arc or relevance throughout the film(s).
But once you move past that, you still get a bully being just a straight-up dick to a guy even if they don't get physical. So worse case scenario we miss out on a scene of Peter being more athletic/stronger than Flash Thompson. Also nobody gives a crap about Flash Thompson and every depiction of him in film has been dumb and as an insignificant character. They could have just cast Craig Roberts as his wheelchair bound muscular dystrophy character from The Fundamentals of Caring as Flash Thompson and just have him constantly slinging insults at Peter the whole time and still have the same amount of impact as any other movie Flash. But seeing as they cast someone who is somewhat known and talented I am guessing that they have plans to actually turn him into a character with an arc or relevance throughout the film(s).
http://collider.com/spider-man-home...utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=social
Jon Watts talks about the Vulture's redesign:
Jon Watts talks about the Vulture's redesign:
They are likely referring to the constant need to make everyone a science gone wrong type of threat in all the other Spider-Man movies, hence the answer about not repeating stuff.
Because in the books he can fly on his own, but not good/fast/high
peanutbutterlatte
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Seriously? That is brand new information to me.
Ah, so he's a science villain who gets the science right? That sounds pretty cool actually.
Ghost Rider
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I have been teaching for 12 years now (8 at HS level and the past 4 at MS) and on top of that have spoken at conferences and schools across the lower portion of NY.
The stereotypes of jocks have not really fit for a long g time now. Nor has the stereotypes for bullies. You might be surprised at the bullies of schools now. With the advent of cyber bullying it's taken on a new form. And one of the biggest sources of bullying I see revolves around socioeconomic status. Kids don't get bullied for being nerds or for being smart as much as they get bullied for not having the newest phone or newest sneakers. Given Peter's poverty, and our current society, I think that's an easy and great direction to go. When you have people constantly mocking you it makes you feel weak and powerless to the point where even the smallest kid in the school seems threatening.
The stereotypes of jocks have not really fit for a long g time now. Nor has the stereotypes for bullies. You might be surprised at the bullies of schools now. With the advent of cyber bullying it's taken on a new form. And one of the biggest sources of bullying I see revolves around socioeconomic status. Kids don't get bullied for being nerds or for being smart as much as they get bullied for not having the newest phone or newest sneakers. Given Peter's poverty, and our current society, I think that's an easy and great direction to go. When you have people constantly mocking you it makes you feel weak and powerless to the point where even the smallest kid in the school seems threatening.
RE:Second Arc of Marvel Knights: Spider-Man (Vol.1)- Venomous. After Spidey battles with Electro Adrian tell us this.
Yes, I know, I am a nerd 
No idea if this was brought up somewhere before or after that, because now that I think about it I remember a Arc where Thomes broke out of jail with a new build suit and I dont know if someone thought about this.
Can make a photo of the dialouge when I am home.
Really? Wow!
darkhunger
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In the books the harness he wears gave him powers to a certain degree even after he takes it off, i.e. Enhanced strength and durability for an old guy and some levitation abilities.
Stealing life-essence from the young to keep himself from dying right?
Not really so much. I know that was a big part of the cartoon, and he's been de-aged every once in a while but for the most part he's just been a tech minded criminal kingpin type.
RE:Second Arc of Marvel Knights: Spider-Man (Vol.1)- Venomous. After Spidey battles with Electro Adrian tell us this.
Yes, I know, I am a nerd
I mean sure he could do that if the author wants the character to be able to do that, but that is rather new (~ 10 years ago).
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
Manganiello looked so much different back then.
ReplacementPelican
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Can't wait for Revolori to join the US Army and become Agent Venom.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
I can't imagine him fighting a guy who decapitates people and turns their heads into jack-o-lanterns lol.
peanutbutterlatte
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If this film series follows the Spiderman comics that faithfully, we're screwed. There have been some atrocious Spiderman comics in recent years.
Yeah it's so weird, he got like way hotter.
Hot Coldman
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Strange's weird fork fringe is bad.
KeyBladerXIII
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Found this on reddit:
That'd make a pretty good New Avengers team, just add Wasp.
bananafactory
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I'll never get tired of how great this Spidey costume is
http://www.marvelousrealm.com/new-blog/2016/7/26/character-identity-revealed-part-2
I don't know how reliable this source is, but supposedly, Angourie Rice will play Betty Brant.
I don't know how reliable this source is, but supposedly, Angourie Rice will play Betty Brant.
Green Mamba
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This source had Flash, Liz, and Ned all pegged beforehand, so I'd say probably reliable.
Ned and Betty being portrayed so young and without the Daily Bugle in sight seems odd, but outside of whoever Michelle is supposed to be, they're going really, really classic, like early Ditko era, with the supporting cast. Like, it seems to be starting very ground level with the franchise. Interesting to see where it goes and how it ends up.
Something's definitely up with Michelle though, as this same source identified Zendaya's character as just "Michelle," no surname or anything, just as all official sources have stated, despite giving the full names and identities of most of the other cast members. I dunno what to think about that yet.
darkhunger
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Interesting, but I guess it makes sense with Ned also being in high school. Maybe it'll be some sort of three way love triangle? Betty was Peter's only high school girlfriend if we go by 616 timeline after all.
None of the official sources have given full names of characters yet. The EW article where this casting news originally stemmed from only had their first names mentioned.