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Stahp you're embarrassing yourself.
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Spider-Man is Entering The Marvel Cinematic Universe
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Stahp you're embarrassing yourself.
lol
Gambit 1138
Banned
Cant wait until next month when the Ultimate Universe crashes into 616 and destroys that shitty lame dame continuity once and for all.
LONG LIVE ULTIMATE PETER PARKER
LONG LIVE ULTIMATE PETER PARKER
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
"Definitive" =/= "Version of something I like the best." Words have meanings. Just say what you mean. The definitive Spidey is the one with 60+ years of backstory that has influenced innumerable shows, movies, merchandise and spinoffs - like Ultimate Spider-man. Much of Ultimate takes things long established in the definitive Spider-man books and either copies them wholesale, tweaks them slightly or uses the baseline to just do the opposite.
It's very much a (entertaining and quality) derivative work. By any definition, something so heavily derived can't be the definitive version of something because it did not create the base definition of the character. Call it your favorite, argue why Ultimate is better, whatever, but it simply can't be the definitive version of the character because that's not what the word means.
It's very much a (entertaining and quality) derivative work. By any definition, something so heavily derived can't be the definitive version of something because it did not create the base definition of the character. Call it your favorite, argue why Ultimate is better, whatever, but it simply can't be the definitive version of the character because that's not what the word means.
Thanks.
It's definitive because nothing will ever top it, it is the absolute pinnacle of the character and the purest distilled essence of what makes Spider-Man great.
I would argue it's impossible to arrive at a definitive version of anything without deriving from past, inferior attempts.
I would argue it's impossible to arrive at a definitive version of anything without deriving from past, inferior attempts.
The fuck does Ultimates 3 have to do with Ultimate Spider-Man?
Starting to think you've never read Ultimate Spider-Man.
Its the Vampire Arc, am I right? Yeah. It was the beginning of the end.
Spidey went shit after it, too.
Death of Spider-Man was the last good Post-Ultimatum Ultimate Spider-Man story, IMO.
Wasn't replying to your post.
Fuck this, I'm out.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Once again, you're saying "it's my favorite." Nothing wrong there. But unless you're trying to say that Ultimate invented the definition of Spider-Man as a character it simply can't be the definitive version. If you take any element of what makes Spider-Man great, those traits were already introduced decades prior to Ultimate even existing. Take a definitive element, "Great power," "boy genius," "everyday teenage superhero," Gwen, MJ. Aunt May, Osborne, Capt. Stacy, his rogues' gallery, his power set, his attitude - anything you care to name, it was defined in the 616 books. The word definitive has a meaning and it's not "thing I really like."
And yes, I am acutely aware hoe incredibly Comic Book Guy this discussion is.
There's a pretty obvious reason for that...
It also doesn't mean "thing that came first."
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Probably ought to read more than one sentence there, Fiktion.
Last post:
It was War of the Symbiotes. It was a year before Ultimatum happened. While War of the Symbiotes happened in Ultimate Spider-Man, Amazing Spider-Man was going through New Ways to Die, and we all saw how that went. Hint: Pretty good. It was a good step forwards coming out of that one thing that should not mentioned at all. In War of the Symbiotes, Gwen came back. Big whoop. Nothing else much happened that was noteworthy.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/definitive
definitive
adjective de·fin·i·tive \di-ˈfi-nə-tiv\
: not able to be argued about or changed : final and settled
: complete, accurate, and considered to be the best of its kind
Before you give a lecture about the definition of a word maybe you should look it up first.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
We doing this bit, now? Here you go.
1
: serving to provide a final solution or to end a situation <a definitive victory>
2
: authoritative and apparently exhaustive <a definitive edition>
3
a : serving to define or specify precisely <definitive laws>
b : serving as a perfect example : quintessential <a definitive bourgeois>
4
: fully differentiated or developed <a definitive organ>
5
of a postage stamp : issued as a regular stamp for the country or territory in which it is to be used
Now show me what in Ultimate served as the definition of the character that wasn't already established before in the 616. What makes Ultimate the definition of the character of Spider-Man, to you?
1
: serving to provide a final solution or to end a situation <a definitive victory>
2
: authoritative and apparently exhaustive <a definitive edition>
3
a : serving to define or specify precisely <definitive laws>
b : serving as a perfect example : quintessential <a definitive bourgeois>
4
: fully differentiated or developed <a definitive organ>
5
of a postage stamp : issued as a regular stamp for the country or territory in which it is to be used
Now show me what in Ultimate served as the definition of the character that wasn't already established before in the 616. What makes Ultimate the definition of the character of Spider-Man, to you?
You really gonna ignore Merriam-Webster and act like you didn't just eat shit? lmao
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
...where do you think I pulled the definition from, suddenly hostile guy? Read your links before posting them.
Just take your L. Can't spin that.Merriam-Webster said:
Unflattering as those ASM2 spy-shots were of her, she doesn't look that bad.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
It's almost as if those sentences had context written around them. I'm sure you can suss out their meaning, if you take them and apply your own Webster definitions to them. If not, I can try to explain them to you again later.
You look like a damn fool right now. I get it, you're embarrassed, but this is only making it worse.
Gambit 1138
Banned
As if 616 hasn't had its share of shitty stories. Perhaps a REFRESH is in order:
I think Ultimate Spider-Man can handle a brief flood that got swept under the rug a year later. Don't forget the whole Miles Morales saga happened post-Ultimatum that pushed USM to new heights.
Wow, there were some stinker in 60 years of comics.... How could this just happen? I am baffled.
And is the PSA Comic even 616 canon?
Gambit 1138
Banned
It is. BTW USM has a 15 year history and only 1 bad story (which wasn't even by Bendis it was a separate miniseries by Jeph Loeb)
You're forgetting the fact that the Ultimate universe is being wiped out along with Earth-616.As if 616 hasn't had its share of shitty stories. Perhaps a REFRESH is in order:
I think Ultimate Spider-Man can handle a brief flood that got swept under the rug a year later. Don't forget the whole Miles Morales saga happened post-Ultimatum that pushed USM to new heights.
This is honestly the best way to explain it.
Never Forget. And I wouldn't be surprised if this was the concept for TASM3, except replacing Norman with Harry.
The Shogun
Banned
wait what
Because it was never mentioned again in any case and Marvel is working against further publising attemps.
Put it this way, Spectacular Spider-Man is the definitive take on Spider-Man beyond the comics. It's that good.
Listen to Neoxon. I weep when I think about Ultimate Spider-man (TV show).
Rastafarian42
Member
Still sad we didn't get more seasons it was defintitley the best marvel cartoon show IMO.
It's incredible. Season 2 is god-tier Spider-Man.
Jables Swan
Member
It's so worth it. Do it. My son and I watch it all the time.
We might get a post-credits scene in Age of Ultron involving Spider-Man (using a stuntman). I'm currently hunting for the tweet referenced in this video.
It originated from Nerd Report, so get your buckets of salt.
EDIT: Found it, & it's better than a simple tweet. Still not sure about the rumor.
It originated from Nerd Report, so get your buckets of salt.
EDIT: Found it, & it's better than a simple tweet. Still not sure about the rumor.
It's leagues above Marvel's stuff. It was done by Sony.
FTFY, Marvel Animation & Marvel Studios are two completely different beasts. Likewise, Sony's animated division & Sony Pictures' film division are different beasts.
I doubt it
If they wanted to tease Spiderman in AoU the best way would be just to have an after credit scene with one of the defeated ultron drones webbed up against a wall. No Spiderman or anything in the scene but the webbing and such would be a massive tease.
Have someone see the scene and make a comment then straight to black with massive audience cheers. Or for massive effect perhaps have JJJ looking at photos brought to him of the drone all webbed up.
Then they can introduce Spiderman in Civil War.
Have someone see the scene and make a comment then straight to black with massive audience cheers. Or for massive effect perhaps have JJJ looking at photos brought to him of the drone all webbed up.
Then they can introduce Spiderman in Civil War.
I don't see why this needed to be said. I was talking about the animation. In response to that post.
He referred to it as "Marvel's animated stuff." I thew Sony in there to let him know it wasn't done by Marvel/Disney.
