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Spider-Man is Entering The Marvel Cinematic Universe
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peanutbutterlatte
Member
I would assume the cast of supporting characters are up for negotiation, especially since they'll be linked to the MCU anyway via the version of Spidey, and they've discussed other MCU characters showing up in Spidey's films.
Freddy=Legend
Member
That's a good point. Can't imagine them not wanting to build up the rest of Spidey's cast as well. It'd just be cool to see OsCorp used in other projects or referenced.
It would be a good idea to start more terrestrial and build back up to cosmic stuff again after Infinity War. Osborne as antagonist to the whole MCU could definitely be good for that.
I remember telling my girlfriend at the time of Dark Reign all the Magnificent Bastard bullshit Osborne got up to throughout the Marvel universe.
As I recall, her catchphrase response to me relating one of these stories was, "Someone really ought to kill this guy."
She's not wrong.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Spider-Man is much, much more popular than Black Widow ever will be. I don't know what people expect.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
This is Spider-Man though.
that's not the point, everyone realizes that
it's that marvel's "set schedule" reasoning is clearly bs
peanutbutterlatte
Member
I don't really think set schedule* is that much of a stretch.
*unless we get our biggest fucking character back
The point is Spider-Man is big enough to shift set schedules and Black Widow is not.
Byakuya769
Member
Yes because their biggest super hero is the same as their powerless spy character.
"Byakuya claimed he couldn't buy a house, his budget doesn't allow for!
Jackpot! He won the lottery, now he's buying a house!"
Winterfang
Banned
Spiderman is just the like the most popular super hero of all time.
Me too. I've come to just accept that fans of the X-Men film franchise are just a special lot. I've read the X-Men books since I was seven-so that's 30 years. The films are X-Men In Name Only.
sure, but people always churn out that the MCU's plans are so intricate and building up to something important and yet spidey is suddenly available and that reasoning gets thrown out.
it's weird
ReplacementPelican
Member
How do secondary characters work? I don't get it. Where's my Hawkeye, War Machine and Nick Fury films!?
Well it makes sense, black widow is already an established hero and in my opinion works best as a supporting character. A full length movie dedicated to her i can see not work out fully. On the other hand spider-man is the biggest marvel hero and will easily make huge money.
I don't recall Marvel ever saying they couldn't do a Black Widow film because of scheduling, they just weren't interested in doing it. That and it'd require renegotiating Scarlett's deal, apparently. Just more cost-effective and brand beneficial to simply launch a new franchise than spin off an existing character into her own movie.
you don't think the single female avenger deserves her own film?
I think captain marvel does. That will be awesome
"And they dont mention Hunger Games, Frozen, Divergent. You can go back to Kill Bill or Aliens. These are all female-led movies. It can certainly be done. I hope we do it sooner rather than later. But we find ourselves in the very strange position of managing more franchises than most people have which is a very, very good thing and we dont take for granted, but is a challenging thing. You may notice from those release dates, we have three for 2017. And thats because just the timing worked on what was sort of gearing up. But it does mean you have to put one franchise on hold for three or four years in order to introduce a new one? I dont know. Those are the kinds of chess matches were playing right now."
Weapxn
Mikkelsexual
Better question: Why do you think she deserves one just because she's already there and has a vagina?
Wafflecakes
Member
Who said that?
Choppasmith
Member
I agree with all of this. If Fox sees the potential with a crossover they could set up the X-Men like the MCU equivalent of the Squadron Supreme. A group of heroes from a parallel Earth. Have some kind of Secret Wars-ish like plot and BAM!
I don't think an Avenger getting their own film should be decided based on what gender they are. Black Widow doesn't have a solo movie for the same reason Hawkeye doesn't, they just aren't as popular as Captain America or Spidey. Besides, Captain Marvel is getting a movie.
what a dumb, sexist thing to say.
for me and many others, the character is inherently more interesting than captain america, Thor or even Iron Man due to her initial origins and reasoning for being a hero and how that factors into her role in a team full of superpowered icons that are traditional role models.
This still isn't "there's no time in the next few years to launch a Black Widow movie." That line of thinking is predicated on the idea that they're interested in doing a Widow movie and their hands are tired with other movies already on docket. But that's not the case; a Black Widow movie wasn't in the cards, period. It's not a victim of a scheduling, it's a victim of Marvel's lack of interest and probably a lack of willing to pay Scarlett even more for it.
There's no movie announced for Hawkeye, War Machine, The Vision, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, etc. either. It's got nothing to do with "well, we want to make these movies, but just don't have the time for them" and everything to do with which ones best benefit the brand and which don't.
This.
Also I'm getting tired of this gender and race pandering. Seriously, why even make that an argument? Black widow should get a movie because.....woman? Like wtf! I feel like it's the same crowd all over YouTube saying, "we've had enough white men as superheroes! Spidey should now be Miles Morales in the MCU!" It's a god awful race gender baiting argument and this shit needs to stop. You know what's so funny about that argument though, is that it's largely white men and women making it. I havent seen any non whites asking for Miles Morlaes as spidey in civil war.
I guess its about time we have a white kid from the Hamptons as Blade and we definitely need a solo Catwoman movie. Oh wait...
Weapxn
Mikkelsexual
How is it dumb or sexist? You keep suggesting that Black Widow needs a movie and those are the only reasons I see for you wanting her to have one. If you've got another one, I'm all ears. You have failed to list one yet other than the fact that you want to see a woman lead a movie. Guess what? There is one in the works! Captain Marvel. And two have been given TV shows -- Agent Carter and Jessica Jones.
She is a bad candidate for a solo film IMO, just like Hawkeye is. They are both better suited as supporting characters.
Jables Swan
Member
So this is really about women and not the "set schedule" reasoning? I think the fact Captain Marvel is coming out is huge and we have Agent Carter on tellie as well. Does every character need their own movie, male or female? No.
Spiderman is the biggest property Marvel has ever had. This isn't the rule, it's the exception.
but marvel likes money
scarlett johannson is guaranteed money
if lucy can pull off what did, the marvel branding + an already incredibly well established role would be huge
This argument is so bad.
Winterfang
Banned
Scarlett is huge but not spider huge.
Weapxn
Mikkelsexual
Do you actually know anything about the character?
Carol is getting her own film.
I would like to see She Hulk and Squirrel Girl get their own films. Plus chances are Medusa will lead the Inhumans but I have no clue who could lead their own film.
BannedEpisode
Member
Black Widow just doesn't seem like she's capable of carrying a movie.
I'm super stoked for Captain Marvel though.
Scarlett Johannson does not bring in the same level of money that Spider-Man brings in.
Byakuya769
Member
"I just want my countr... comic book movies back!"
*gives reason for why I want her to have a film due to her unique role and character depth/history*
"you have failed to give a legitimate reason!"
k
yes, but clearly you don't if you actually believe she isn't worthy of getting a film.
Weapxn
Mikkelsexual
Why would they deal with her origins in a solo film when they're clearly dealing with them in both Agent Carter right now as well as apparently going to be in Age of Ultron?
But Black Widow is getting her own movie. It's a 20 minute short at about the 40 minute mark of Age of Ultron.
Bro fist
Marvel likes franchises. And Scarlett will have completed her deal with Infinity War.
yeah, can you stop putting words in my mouth? I said her origins are part of what makes her such an interesting character.
we don't need to see them in a solo. I want an onscreen adaptation of the amazing rucka mini "itsy bitsy spider" anyway which is about Natasha facing off against a new black widow
I'd imagine Marvel is pushing towards making the characters their "stars" rather than the actors themselves to give them much more leverage with actors/audiences. RDJ is the notable exception, although we have yet to see an IM film without him.
Not to say that I wouldn't totally be down for a Black Widow film though. Would be way more interested in a solo film for her than Carol.