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[NearRivers]

Grimm's co-op missions are a lot of fun splitscreen. I've been playing them all day on Perfectionist with my bro - we even managed to get number 1 on leaderboards for Hawkins Seafort 100% ghost. It's up there as 2:52, but I recorded another where we shaved off about 20 seconds. Working it all out and seeing the pieces fall into place is really satisfying, more so than the singleplayer (so far imo). I just wish there were more missions, I don't care for the assault/horde ones.

 

[The_Lump]

Just seen an advert for this from GAME. WiiU version not even mentioned or shown with the other boxes at the end. The fuck?

Still thinking of picking this up. Is there a DF analysis yet?

 

[Cuban Legend]

Just seen an advert for this from GAME. WiiU version not even mentioned or shown with the other boxes at the end. The fuck?

Still thinking of picking this up. Is there a DF analysis yet?

I made a PC Graphics Comparison of the DX11 Features and AO Implementations:

(1920x1080, Ingame SSAA 2x2 Rotated Grid, DX11)
Sam Fisher With Tessellation & Parallax
Sam Fisher With Tessellation & NO Parallax
Sam Fisher NO Tessellation & NO Parallax

Terrain With Tessellation & Parallax
Terrain Without Tessellation & Parallax

AO Comparison:

OFF 35fps
Field AO 29fps
Field AO + SSAO 16fps
Field AO + SSAO+ 8fps
Field AO + HBAO 23fps
Field AO + HBAO+ 17fps

Based on all this and how minimal the changes are, I'm going for the FPS boost of DX9 w/Field AO and Parallax Off (Tessellation is Disabled in DX9 by Default).

 

[AwesomeSauce]

I made a PC Graphics Comparison of the DX11 Features and AO Implementations:

(1920x1080, Ingame SSAA 2x2 Rotated Grid, DX11)
Sam Fisher With Tessellation & Parallax
Sam Fisher With Tessellation & NO Parallax
Sam Fisher NO Tessellation & NO Parallax

Terrain With Tessellation & Parallax
Terrain Without Tessellation & Parallax

AO Comparison:

OFF 35fps
Field AO 29fps
Field AO + SSAO 16fps
Field AO + SSAO+ 8fps
Field AO + HBAO 23fps
Field AO + HBAO+ 17fps

Based on all this and how minimal the changes are, I'm going for the FPS boost of DX9 w/Field AO and Parallax Off (Tessellation is Disabled in DX9 by Default).

Thanks for this. Really informative.

 

[SJRB]

Just did the first two Grim side-ops, truly felt like Splinter Cell. Ghosted them both, no kills/KO's aside one HVT.

The fact that the missions don't have checkpoints makes everything super intense, which is a good thing.


Also, this might be blasphemy but I like the uPlay-unlocked blue lights over the default green.

 

[dark10x]

I made a PC Graphics Comparison of the DX11 Features and AO Implementations:

(1920x1080, Ingame SSAA 2x2 Rotated Grid, DX11)
Sam Fisher With Tessellation & Parallax
Sam Fisher With Tessellation & NO Parallax
Sam Fisher NO Tessellation & NO Parallax

Terrain With Tessellation & Parallax
Terrain Without Tessellation & Parallax

AO Comparison:

OFF 35fps
Field AO 29fps
Field AO + SSAO 16fps
Field AO + SSAO+ 8fps
Field AO + HBAO 23fps
Field AO + HBAO+ 17fps

Based on all this and how minimal the changes are, I'm going for the FPS boost of DX9 w/Field AO and Parallax Off (Tessellation is Disabled in DX9 by Default).

Yeah, I was playing around with this myself. The differences are relatively subtle during gameplay and, on a GTX680 at least, I didn't really see any significant performance difference. Tessellation occasionally brings the framerate down a few frames, though, so I've been leaving it disabled in order to hold 60 fps at all times.

I'm just glad the game runs well, unlike Conviction.

 

[Cyrix]

I made a PC Graphics Comparison of the DX11 Features and AO Implementations:

(1920x1080, Ingame SSAA 2x2 Rotated Grid, DX11)
Sam Fisher With Tessellation & Parallax
Sam Fisher With Tessellation & NO Parallax
Sam Fisher NO Tessellation & NO Parallax

Terrain With Tessellation & Parallax
Terrain Without Tessellation & Parallax

AO Comparison:

OFF 35fps
Field AO 29fps
Field AO + SSAO 16fps
Field AO + SSAO+ 8fps
Field AO + HBAO 23fps
Field AO + HBAO+ 17fps

Based on all this and how minimal the changes are, I'm going for the FPS boost of DX9 w/Field AO and Parallax Off (Tessellation is Disabled in DX9 by Default).

just out of curiosity, what kind of hardware are you running?

Also from my limited testing that SSAA 2x2 rotated grid thing seems to be a bit of a performance hog as well. actually all of the AA settings above FXAA seemed about the same with rotated being just slightly worse.

I'm on a 3570, gtx760 setup and in the plane I'm getting 75 fps pretty darn solid with dx11 and everything on max, non + HBAO, and the lowest AA

I'll be the first to acknowledge that my methods are not super stringent though and may be flawed.

 

[strafer]

So I played some at a friends last night. Third mission I think, you start off on a roof and then infiltrate, that mission is pure Splinter Cell. I kinda dug that.

 

[PusherT]

Tried playing online with Wii U version last night it is broken. the servers are shit for wii u gamers a real shame.

 

[TheSeks]

I made a PC Graphics Comparison of the DX11 Features and AO Implementations:

(1920x1080, Ingame SSAA 2x2 Rotated Grid, DX11)
Sam Fisher With Tessellation & Parallax
Sam Fisher With Tessellation & NO Parallax
Sam Fisher NO Tessellation & NO Parallax

Terrain With Tessellation & Parallax
Terrain Without Tessellation & Parallax

AO Comparison:

OFF 35fps
Field AO 29fps
Field AO + SSAO 16fps
Field AO + SSAO+ 8fps
Field AO + HBAO 23fps
Field AO + HBAO+ 17fps

Based on all this and how minimal the changes are, I'm going for the FPS boost of DX9 w/Field AO and Parallax Off (Tessellation is Disabled in DX9 by Default).

I have no clue what any of those are besides "makes things prettier." I only notice texture degrades on Sam. And it seems like the terrain "lifts" or flattens depending on the setting you have. Is this the same effect that "bump mapping" on Master Chief for X-box was supposed to have? Something like the same texture and polygon for a game doing a similar effect but it isn't the texture itself that is doing it, but an after-effect?

 

[strafer]

What is parallax?

 

[Gbraga]

What is parallax?

a miserable little pile of secrets?

 

[Brofist]

What is parallax?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallax_mapping

 

[Gen X]

-Its a chore to beat missions without touching anyone at all.

Pretty sure it's a lot harder on Perfectionist. =)

 

[UrbanRats]

I have no clue what any of those are besides "makes things prettier." I only notice texture degrades on Sam. And it seems like the terrain "lifts" or flattens depending on the setting you have. Is this the same effect that "bump mapping" on Master Chief for X-box was supposed to have? Something like the same texture and polygon for a game doing a similar effect but it isn't the texture itself that is doing it, but an after-effect?

Tassellation on SAM is very obvious.
Look how the details of his suit become actually 3d and the curves on his ear/face become rounder.

 

[FutureZombie]

At this point, I just want a Pandora Tomorrow HD. Make it happen, Ubisoft.

 

[Lima]

At this point, I just want a Pandora Tomorrow HD. Make it happen, Ubisoft.

You want a remake of the worst Splinter Cell? Why?

 

[FutureZombie]

You want a remake of the worst Splinter Cell? Why?

I only play SC multiplayer.

 

[Sober]

Didn't CT's mouse wheel control have 3 speeds as well?

Old games were 5-speed.

 

[TheSeks]

Tassellation on SAM is very obvious.
Look how the details of his suit become actually 3d and the curves on his ear/face become rounder.

So, Tassellation is basically bump-mapping for models while Parallax is bump-mapping for environments?

The only thing I notice is with them on textures popping out to give a "3D" look.

 

[Disguises]

Tried playing online with Wii U version last night it is broken. the servers are shit for wii u gamers a real shame.

Yep. Me and a friend intended to spend today doing online co-op but everything is broken. Invites don't work so we can't play. Other than that, the game is really great.

 

[FrsDvl]

Sounds good. I'll be on.

Sorry man something came up.and I had to run out. I'll be playing today if you're up for it!

 

[Mononoke]

Considering buying this. How are people feeling about this so far? (Would get on PC).

 

[Grisby]

Damnit, lost like 35 minutes on a co-op misson on a disconnect.

 

[JambiBum]

I don't really have the problems you guys do with the mercs. When I'm playing with a friend we dominate as mercs. Spies can barely even get a hack off. Playing with randoms who don't talk can cause issues but if I'm with someone who actually communicates we don't have issues. I think if the mercs had a charge or spin (not both) like they did in CT a lot of the melee issues would be solved for people. I haven't even gotten the chance to play as a spy very much lately unless we start off the match as spies because once people can't even get one station hacked they quit before we can even start.

 

[NuKERxyz]

cant wait for my wiiu version to ship.

how is the experience so far for any wiiu owner?

Ijm curious in this too cause i would like to buy this for the Wii U for Pad integration and offtv.

Any Wii U reviews anywhere?

 

[jmizzal]

Just did the first two Grim side-ops, truly felt like Splinter Cell. Ghosted them both, no kills/KO's aside one HVT.

The fact that the missions don't have checkpoints makes everything super intense, which is a good thing.


Also, this might be blasphemy but I like the uPlay-unlocked blue lights over the default green.

You know what I didnt even realize that the game didnt have check points until you get to the end of certain parts of the missions, now that I think about it COD and some other games your game is auto saving ever 2 mins.

Yep. Me and a friend intended to spend today doing online co-op but everything is broken. Invites don't work so we can't play. Other than that, the game is really great.

online co-op with friends worked well for me, but the online does need a patch, when it works its great

 

[Gaz_RB]

I don't really have the problems you guys do with the mercs. When I'm playing with a friend we dominate as mercs. Spies can barely even get a hack off. Playing with randoms who don't talk can cause issues but if I'm with someone who actually communicates we don't have issues. I think if the mercs had a charge or spin (not both) like they did in CT a lot of the melee issues would be solved for people. I haven't even gotten the chance to play as a spy very much lately unless we start off the match as spies because once people can't even get one station hacked they quit before we can even start.

Agreed. Good mercs can dominate spies no question. Spies are just really easy for noobs to play, so it seems like they're over powered because there is less of a learning curve because a lot of people have been playing the campaign. But I think I the best team of mercs went up against the best team of spies, the spies would lose or it would be a damn close match.

I'm having the same problem. My friend and I haven't lost a game of SvM classic yet, and most the time people quit and we don't even get to play spy... Host migration, where art thou?

 

[BrhysH]

Ijm curious in this too cause i would like to buy this for the Wii U for Pad integration and offtv.

Any Wii U reviews anywhere?

Single player is great, just tried an online match and had a lock up...

 

[legacyzero]

Warning: May contain heavy amounts of SHOCK STABBING.

 

[Gaz_RB]

Warning: May contain heavy amounts of SHOCK STABBING.

Team work is the best way to counter shock stabbing.

Also does anyone have any ideas for the enhanced lethality demonstrated achievement?

 

[Onikaan]

Anyone else encountered the SvsM glitch where you can't see certain enemy players, and they can't see you?

And I mean, at all. They literally don't exist until you're back in the lobby. Terminals get hacked right under your nose and you can't do anything to stop it because they don't exist in your game.

They're not even in the game stats page when you press back during the game.

 

[Surface of Me]

Is the 360 version of this 2 discs? Currently wondering why Redbox has it on PS3 but not on 360.

 

[Gaz_RB]

Is the 360 version of this 2 discs? Currently wondering why Redbox has it on PS3 but not on 360.

Yup, 2 discs, one is the texture pack and last half of the campaign

 

[Exile20]

Single player is great, just tried an online match and had a lock up...

Isn't this happening with all versions?

 

[TheRedSnifit]

Isn't this happening with all versions?

It is Ubisoft, so I wouldn't be too surprised.


Anyone know how to access the "playstyle" stuff? I've been doing a Panther run-through, but as far as I can tell I'm not getting any special gear.

 

[Gaz_RB]

No lockups so far on 360 here

 

[Gamer @ Heart]

It is Ubisoft, so I wouldn't be too surprised.


Anyone know how to access the "playstyle" stuff? I've been doing a Panther run-through, but as far as I can tell I'm not getting any special gear.

There is no special gear. That notice is just telling you what style its best for. You buy it all with the same money when you buy the one before it, the only stuff u need to do to unlock is the 4E missions.

 

[Gaz_RB]

Anyone know how to access the "playstyle" stuff? I've been doing a Panther run-through, but as far as I can tell I'm not getting any special gear.

What do you mean by playstyle stuff? You usually get gear by either preorder crap or beating all of someone's 4E missions.


Edit: Beaten

 

[Sanic]

I don't have the game for any platform, but the Miiverse community is a disaster; sounds like the game is totally broken on Wii U.

Really unfortunate.

 

[Grisby]

Damn you host migration. Every time it's back to the lobby.

 

[zero margin]

I don't really have the problems you guys do with the mercs. When I'm playing with a friend we dominate as mercs. Spies can barely even get a hack off. Playing with randoms who don't talk can cause issues but if I'm with someone who actually communicates we don't have issues. I think if the mercs had a charge or spin (not both) like they did in CT a lot of the melee issues would be solved for people. I haven't even gotten the chance to play as a spy very much lately unless we start off the match as spies because once people can't even get one station hacked they quit before we can even start.

Sounds like you're playing classic, the issues aren't in classic. It's 4v4. At least for me.

 

[Malvingt2]

I just got the WiiU version... How active is online? anyone knows?

 

[Alcoholikaust]

Is the 360 version of this 2 discs? Currently wondering why Redbox has it on PS3 but not on 360.

yup in order to play with my buddies this weekend was forced into a purchase on 360 for this very reason.

damnit all.

great game tho:beat PC version yesterday.

 

[TheSeks]

Agreed. Good mercs can dominate spies no question. Spies are just really easy for noobs to play, so it seems like they're over powered because there is less of a learning curve because a lot of people have been playing the campaign. But I think I the best team of mercs went up against the best team of spies, the spies would lose or it would be a damn close match.

Kidding right? I have an easier time playing Merc

Spoiler

outside of DAT KNIFE CORNER HUMP

than I do Spy, even with a good teammate(s) against randoms. Probably because there's no map exploration mode like previous SvM's had to where I can learn the maps so I'm always on the ground trying to find a way to climb up a building but can't so I get shot to death.

 

[Cuban Legend]

Thanks for this. Really informative.

You're Welcome!

Yeah, I was playing around with this myself. The differences are relatively subtle during gameplay and, on a GTX680 at least, I didn't really see any significant performance difference. Tessellation occasionally brings the framerate down a few frames, though, so I've been leaving it disabled in order to hold 60 fps at all times.

I'm just glad the game runs well, unlike Conviction.

It runs well in DX9 with Field AO and everything Maxed except for Field AO.

just out of curiosity, what kind of hardware are you running?

Also from my limited testing that SSAA 2x2 rotated grid thing seems to be a bit of a performance hog as well. actually all of the AA settings above FXAA seemed about the same with rotated being just slightly worse.

I'm on a 3570, gtx760 setup and in the plane I'm getting 75 fps pretty darn solid with dx11 and everything on max, non + HBAO, and the lowest AA

I'll be the first to acknowledge that my methods are not super stringent though and may be flawed.

I'm on an ASUS Crosshair AM2+ Mobo
Phenom x4 940 Stock
4GB DDR2 800
GTX 560 (non-Ti)

I have no clue what any of those are besides "makes things prettier." I only notice texture degrades on Sam. And it seems like the terrain "lifts" or flattens depending on the setting you have. Is this the same effect that "bump mapping" on Master Chief for X-box was supposed to have? Something like the same texture and polygon for a game doing a similar effect but it isn't the texture itself that is doing it, but an after-effect?

Tesselation seems to only work on character models, by adding polygons.
Parallax is just a standard feature that they wanted to make individual for some reason, it's super old and it like bump mapping but different in implementation.

 

[TheRedSnifit]

There is no special gear. That notice is just telling you what style its best for. You buy it all with the same money when you buy the one before it, the only stuff u need to do to unlock is the 4E missions.

Ah. I was under the impression from reviews that you unlocked gear according to how you played.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

I just got the WiiU version... How active is online? anyone knows?

Plenty of people looking for games, but online is practically broken. You end up sitting in a lobby unable to play the vast majority of the time. Then there's a freezing bug. So many people on Miiverse complaining about this right now.

There was never such an issue with MonHun, Injustice, Sonic Racing, etc.

Can't even join games via friend invites 99% of the time.

 

[jmizzal]

I don't have the game for any platform, but the Miiverse community is a disaster; sounds like the game is totally broken on Wii U.

Really unfortunate.

Its not totally broken on Wiiu, single player and online co-op works great, online multiplayer works some times and need a patch.

I still enjoy the heck out of the game, when online works its super fun.

I just got the WiiU version... How active is online? anyone knows?

Play single player and co-op and wait for the patch for the rest of online

 

[Jaded Alyx]

Single player on Wii U is fine, and arguably the better of the console versions.

I have a question about the "No Kill Option Engaged" Achievement/Trophy/Accomplishment... If you kill in one of the side-missions, does it prevent you from getting it?