it's not like there isn't 15+ years worth of shit that can be used to judge him anyways. You should know what you are getting with him by now without even reading his stuff.
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[SPOILERS] Major character death in Marvel Comics' "Civil War II" revealed
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yeah sure, his new avengers is just like alias that is just like ultimate siperman that is just like dd that is just like xmen....all the same all the time :/
His X-Men run was one of the worst things I've read in comics
i actually taught it started great then ended pretty bad sadly :s but worst thing uve ever read in comics?? hyperbole much?
exmachina64
Banned
Extremely decompressed and always running behind the rest of the universe?
Wasted Potential, Terrible new characters, plot lines that went on forever with pointless filler, bastardization of characters and they only accomplish the revolution in the last issue. While it's probably not the worst comics run in history it did all of the things I hate in comics.
Also this
From a story standpoint I actually think this is interesting because Banner is a notable character and this makes you question to recog thing which people irl were starting to heavily side with. I also think that writers ran out of ideas for Banner Hulk, which is why his later stories went in strange directions and he just straight up disappeared after being replaced. The real issue is that Rhodey was already killed and now you're adding this on top of it in addition to event fatigue.
Banner is no longer the Hulk, but in the previous issue the Inhuman with the ability to see the future saw Banner Hulk killing everyone in the near future. A good amount of the heroes seem to believe in his predictions and Clint will probably act to save everyone.
Unless there's something blocking him the Hulk usually instinctively takes over when Banner is in danger and saves him, even if Banner isn't aware of the threat, say from a sniper shot.
At least, I think so.
I think I know how this is gonna play out. Banner is gonna die, then Cho is gonna reverse whatever he did to cure Banner to save his life (blood transfusion, some kind of gamma ray treatment, whatever), and then he's gonna be resurrected as the Hulk all pissed off and kill everybody.
Ever since the first Civil War, Marvel has been in love with hero vs hero stories. How the villains of the Marvel U haven't taken advantage of this, I don't know.
Oh, wait. I do know--Marvel's turned their best villains into heroes in recent years--Loki, Doc Ock, Magneto, Juggernaut and now I hear Doom.
Glad I dropped Marvel. DC, too. Just tired of constant re-launches, reboots, crossovers, and event after event from both companies.
Oh, wait. I do know--Marvel's turned their best villains into heroes in recent years--Loki, Doc Ock, Magneto, Juggernaut and now I hear Doom.
Glad I dropped Marvel. DC, too. Just tired of constant re-launches, reboots, crossovers, and event after event from both companies.
Primethius
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What..? For real?
Old comics have some fuuuuuucked gender politics.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
So, if I summerize Bruce's arc. Raised by violent father, supresses rage, exposed to gamma, trigger mutation that manifests itself through rage, learns to deal with suppressed rage and puts it to good use defending those he loves... and gets shot in the face by Hawkeye.
Yup. Sounds like a good character arc.
Yup. Sounds like a good character arc.
Primethius
Banned
Damn, that's fucked up.
Brianimaniac
Banned
Try actually reading comics instead of out-of-context internet spoilers.
Anyone who has ever seriously read superhero comics knows full well how incredibly easy it is for them to sound like the stupidest thing ever when you're presented with out-of-context spoilers, particularly when it's a bunch of cynical a-holes looking to tear something down that are the source of the spoilers.
Civil War II #3 is a really good comic.
BKatastrophe
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Yup. No point to Rhodey. I mean, originally it was because people thought Riri was going to take that mantle. Personally, I had no issue with it, because the coolest thing about Rhodey is his armor. Otherwise he's just the John Stewart to Tony's Hal Jordan. Even with that, there was no true reason to kill Rhodey. At all. However, you make a good point with Banner.
Pretty much. It's been Tony's whole point: why should we trust this motherfucker who isn't even sure of his own powers? I mean, was there an explanation as to why the Celestial even showed up in the first place? I missed it if there was one.
I feel like this is skipping a lot
Probably not Maestro Hulk as he looks very different (beard and all). Then again this Hulk was 20+ feet and dickless so maybe it was just artistic license. But I'd love Maestro to come back to earth anyways and mess shit up now that Contest of Champions is cancelled. Need someone to fill the Doom role now that he's off gallivanting around with the other heroes.
The Silver
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Setting up World War Hulk 2 I see
Yeah, that was mentioned in the movies.
It's a stupid plot addition. Banner should be as vulnerable as Hulk is invulnerable.
As to Michael Bendis, I think he jumped the shark a few years ago. He handled a reboot of Ultimate Spider-Man where Aunt May started adopting all these kids to live under one roof. When I stopped reading, she had Gwen and Peter plus Human Torch and Iceman under her care. I'd have said it was one of the dumbest things to happen to Spider-Man, except I lived through the clone saga and one more day.
So they killed off War Machine and She-Hulk because...? Their deaths seem pretty meaningless.
Giving him another major crossover event with his track record was insane, especially after the last two were written by someone as great as Hickman and ended up being two of the best Marvel have ever done. I basically treated Secret Wars as Marvel's big finale when I saw the new series and creative teams they announced for the relaunch afterwards. I've never been less interested in their Marvel comics than I am now, I'm down to 4 books on my pull list (Black Panther, Ultimates, Squadron Supreme and Nighthawk).
The Spoony Hou
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I think even if Banner gets killed, his body might turn into the Hulk anyway and regenerate the wound, though that's just a personal theory that's never been backed in the comics.
At least the special arrow is to prevent that, I think...
Manmademan
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Miles is the worst spider man by a mile. The whole clueless teenager bit got old, fast.
Parker and Ohara are both legitimate super geniuses and will absolutely wreck your shit, powers or no. Miguel built the machine that gave him spider powers from scratch. Parker is running rings around stark tech right now, and the suit he built for Miguel is virtually indestructible. Venom blast wouldn't even smudge it.
Miles is a slug in comparison to either. Cindy is nearly as bad, but at least she isn't boring.
Well, that happened in Punisher kills Marvel. He followed Hulk during a rampage and after reverting to Banner and passing out he kills him.
In a story set millions of years in the future the only things left in the planet are Hulk and giant mutant bugs. Hulk never allows Banner to take over as in his old age he would die and doom them both.
I loved ultimate siperman. He sips whatever a sipperman can.
The Spoony Hou
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I'm not saying that I'm right, but old age isn't really a wound that can be healed.
I just saw the Iron Man cover, with the young black female taking over the IM mantle. I approve. However, as someone must have already suggested, Tony Stark looks like his AI, Friday, on the cover - could he be the next shocking death??
As for Civil War II, I'm hoping there's some revelation with respect to these predictions that helps things make more sense. With so many monthly books, I'm not clear on what the status quo is post-Secret Wars. I wish someone would publish a fake newspaper in universe that could summarize the who and what.
As for Civil War II, I'm hoping there's some revelation with respect to these predictions that helps things make more sense. With so many monthly books, I'm not clear on what the status quo is post-Secret Wars. I wish someone would publish a fake newspaper in universe that could summarize the who and what.
Manmademan
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This is a legitimate question, since Doc Green developed a formula that would permanently de power anyone with gamma powers.
This is why Red She Hulk, Red Hulk, Skar, and A-bomb aren't around anymore. He gave it to Jennifer in full view of the Avengers as a "last resort" instead of using it on her, so it's not like they don't know it exists.
Manmademan
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Steve Rogers disagrees!
The Spoony Hou
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His old age was prevented, not "cured"... Er, unless he ever got old and young again.
I would think that just having "hulk blood" would be enough to hold off old age.. but that's obviously not canon
.Seriously? Then WTF was the point of killing Banner other than "shock"?
Unless they were afraid it wouldn't work on the original Hulk. He does have a history of even after depowering of turning back to Hulk eventually.
Primethius
Banned
This is me as well. I got back into Marvel because of Hickman and his lead up to Secret Wars along with the actual event itself.
But the post SW world is boring as hell. And the lack of a good Avengers book or X-men title outside OML or New Wolverine is depressing.
ASM sucks too.
Banner doesn't have the ability to become the Hulk anymore. It was predicted that Banner would kill everyone and Hawkeye reacts.
She-Hulk isn't dead.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
I did say summerise, so that would entail skipping a ton. But, my main critisism is rather that comic book heroes lacks closure and real endings. They're just telenovellas with killing and bringing back characters with little to no consequence. It's boring.
Oh, right. Still, plot seems silly as it is now.
At this point in her history, has Jean been dead for longer than she's been alive?
How long has Jean Grey been dead now?
Ah, I see the subject has already come up.
Have you checked out Ultimates? Best Avengers book (although that's not exactly hard just now) and it's sort of in the same place as Hickman's run with dealing with big cosmic threats. It's currently in the process of being derailed by this event though.
Hilarious given he started out serious in the MCU and slowly became lighthearted.
So let me get this straight: First War Machine and She-Hulk get killed because Captain Marvel and her team carelessly charged in against Thanos based on some vision from Ulysses. And now Banner is killed because Hawkeye thinks he's still the Hulk and is about to go on a rampage based on another Ulysses vision.
So how are we supposed to see any merit in Captain Marvel's side here? How is Tony Stark not completely vindicated in every fear and concerns he has about this?
So how are we supposed to see any merit in Captain Marvel's side here? How is Tony Stark not completely vindicated in every fear and concerns he has about this?
I'd imagine it's setting things up so that when Tony dies at the end of the story there is greater loss to the reader?
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