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[jman2050]

Also, is it me or have OPINIONS discussions in this thread gotten worse lately? I think people kind of used to somewhat justify their OPINIONS in the past; nowadays, we just post what we think and don't bother trying to argument why we think what we think. The Madoka discussion that was had last week and the P&S discussion of a few pages ago are the perfect examples of what I'm talking about. Maybe we just, like duckroll said, realized that nobody actually reads half of what we post in these threads.

I COULD do this, but I know that much of the "in-depth" analysis I have on some series is just stuff only I see and wasn't intended in the work in the first place so I think it's somewhat pointless. That's why when I'm arguing for or against a particular series I try to keep my criticisms and accolades simple. I think the only real exception was the whole Index thing and even then that was more born from stream-of-consciousness type thinking more than anything else.

 

[Dresden]

I'm too dumb to bother engaging in any sort of analysis. I do like the pretty lights.

 

[Solune]

I'm too dumb to bother engaging in any sort of analysis. I do like the pretty lights.

Fun things are fun?

 

[Nonoriri]

Also, is it me or have OPINIONS discussions in this thread gotten worse lately? I think people kind of used to somewhat justify their OPINIONS in the past; nowadays, we just post what we think and don't bother trying to argument why we think what we think. The Madoka discussion that was had last week and the P&S discussion of a few pages ago are the perfect examples of what I'm talking about. Maybe we just, like duckroll said, realized that nobody actually reads half of what we post in these threads.

Hey man I don't even like talking about anime.

 

[Extollere]

K-ON!! 13

CUZ tan lines are TOTTEMO KAWAII, and because ....moe, moe. That's why... also

Spoiler

It happens again, just for good measure

And also - all the best Azu-nyan doujin are Azu-tanned!

 

[Dresden]

Fun things are fun?

I guess.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I COULD do this, but I know that much of the "in-depth" analysis I have on some series is just stuff only I see and wasn't intended in the work in the first place so I think it's somewhat pointless. That's why when I'm arguing for or against a particular series I try to keep my criticisms and accolades simple. I think the only real exception was the whole Index thing and even then that was more born from stream-of-consciousness type thinking more than anything else.

Whether something was intended in the original work or not has no real bearing on the validity of it, though. Sometimes a creator may have done something subconsciously, or maybe they didn't intend it at all, but once you start seeing it there, it becomes a valid way to look at the series.

 

[Dresden]

Too bad firehawk isn't here to post 'death of the author!'

 

[firehawk12]

Ok lets reel it in then.

Hen Zemi ep.1

Saw the abnormal psychology thing in the description and thought it might be interesting in some way; especially since I have been pleasently suprised by some shows recently. First of all the show has a strange no-nose/dojinshi style to it that I kinda liked at first but then lost interest in. The show tried to create some randomness to it but the jokes fell flat on me and even seemed gross at times.

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The bathtub fart thing especially. I could see why it could be funny but it wasn't

. The shows characters seemed very one dimensional as well. Overall I did not like the show and do not recomend

You should watch the two OVAs then. I'm not even sure if it's a comedy insomuch as it is a meditation on sexual fetishes and the people who have them, wrapped in a comedy. And, of course, at the moment it looks like they've toned things down a bit based on the fact that late night TV has some standards.

Too bad firehawk isn't here to post 'death of the author!'

I don't know why I'm doing it, but DEATH OF THE AUTHOR!

Whether something was intended in the original work or not has no real bearing on the validity of it, though. Sometimes a creator may have done something subconsciously, or maybe they didn't intend it at all, but once you start seeing it there, it becomes a valid way to look at the series.

Oh, that's why. :lol

 

[Branduil]

That's got nothing to do with pacing, but hey, no accounting for taste!

K-ON!! 7-8
Oh my God, OH MY GOD, did I accidentally stop watching this and then forget about it? Well, considering of when 7 came out and what was going on in life at that time, that doesn't really surprise me...

Anyway, why the fuck can't Yui be a professional musician? Bitch's got perfect pitch for Christ's sake!

Do you actually watch all of any of the anime you use to troll?

 

[Uchip]

I am interested to know the literary appeal of a brown "azu-nyan"

 

[InfiniteNine]

I am interested to know the literary appeal of a brown "azu-nyan"

It's appealing in doujins at least. That's about it for me at least.

 

[jman2050]

Whether something was intended in the original work or not has no real bearing on the validity of it, though. Sometimes a creator may have done something subconsciously, or maybe they didn't intend it at all, but once you start seeing it there, it becomes a valid way to look at the series.

I may go into further depth about my thoughts regarding Death of the Author, but for now I'll just make the statement that I believe there is a clear line between the audience drawing conclusions from information given in a work that differs from the intent and the audience drawing conclusions from an omission of information. DotA is valid in most cases of the former, but never in the latter.

 

[Uchip]

It's appealing in doujins at least. That's about it for me at least.

Im actually just poking fun at doomed
hes a colourful character

 

[InfiniteNine]

Im actually just poking fun at doomed
hes a colourful character

I want to set him on fire and shoot at him while he jumps around in the blazing inferno. *blank stare*

 

[Uchip]

I may go into further depth about my thoughts regarding Death of the Author, but for now I'll just make the statement that I believe there is a clear line between the audience drawing conclusions from information given in a work that differs from the intent and the audience drawing conclusions from an omission of information. DotA is valid in most cases of the former, but never in the latter.

?

 

[jman2050]

You know I knew that was going to happen, I just wasn't expecting it immediately.

 

[Uchip]

long time player of dota, HoN and LoL

 

[Nonoriri]

I may go into further depth about my thoughts regarding Death of the Author, but for now I'll just make the statement that I believe there is a clear line between the audience drawing conclusions from information given in a work that differs from the intent and the audience drawing conclusions from an omission of information. DotA is valid in most cases of the former, but never in the latter.

The difference between competent analysis and fanwanking is a fine line.

 

[jman2050]

The difference between competent analysis and fanwanking is a fine line.

Bingo

 

[firehawk12]

I may go into further depth about my thoughts regarding Death of the Author, but for now I'll just make the statement that I believe there is a clear line between the audience drawing conclusions from information given in a work that differs from the intent and the audience drawing conclusions from an omission of information. DotA is valid in most cases of the former, but never in the latter.

It's why I still feel a bit uncomfortable talking about anime critically, insomuch as removing oneself from the Japanese context (and all the creepy fetishes that that entails) can be problematic.

Like Religion in Eva. Because Americans are so Jesus-obsessed, everything has to somehow invoke Jesus or Christianity.

 

[hellclerk]

Take pride in your ignorance!

Spoiler

It's still true that the manga reading population is still MOSTLY heteronormative!

 

[Uchip]

Spoiler

It's still true that the manga reading population is still MOSTLY heteronormative!

in which country exactly?

 

[Dresden]

in which country exactly?

Everywhere, unless we get a Haldeman shift and the opposite becomes the norm.

 

[InfiniteNine]

Everywhere, unless we get a Haldeman shift and the opposite becomes the norm.

We need more cross dressing manga in the world!

 

[Hitokage]

Spoiler

It's still true that the manga reading population is still MOSTLY heteronormative!

Call me when you are ready to acknowledge that women actually exist.

 

[Master Milk]

We need more cross dressing manga in the world!

We really do. I don't think I'm reading any new ones at the moment aside from Prunus Girl.

 

[InfiniteNine]

We really do. I don't think I'm reading any new ones at the moment aside from Prunus Girl.

Read Reversible School Life~! Sazanami Cherry is cool too.

 

[Dresden]

That's a brofist. I think.

I think I can see it, kind of, I just need to squint a little.

We need more cross dressing manga in the world!

Well, you could try Coda. I liked it because it's not about a boy dressing like a girl just so that straight men can fap to it.

 

[InfiniteNine]

Well, you could try Coda. I liked it because it's not about a boy dressing like a girl just so that straight men can fap to it.

I'll give it a shot~!

 

[InfiniteNine]

no raisin.

Why no raisin?

 

[Master Milk]

Read Reversible School Life~! Sazanami Cherry is cool too.

Those both look inactive, but I'll check them out anyway.

 

[firehawk12]

It's kind of hard not to invoke Christianity when you have crosses popping up all over the place for no raisin.

Night on the Galactic Railroad has kind of a respectful-but-mysticized presentation of Christianity which I find interesting, because you wouldn't find that kind of POV in the West where it's so integrated into the base culture. (Also, the author of the original story was a Buddhist who apparently didn't like cats. )

Yeah, that's the thing, Christianity is so detached there that it can be used as art without any real consequence. In the same way that the Last Airbender cartoon presumably invokes various aspects of Asian culture.

 

[hellclerk]

Do you actually watch all of any of the anime you use to troll?

Yeah, of course. My computer was just in the shitter over the summer and my wee little netbook can't handle HD video, and I just never got around to picking it back up.

in which country exactly?

Assuming that graphic literature follows similar media demographic curves (which it definitely does), every country where manga is sold. Japan is a heteronormative society, so the majority of it is written to a hertonormative audience, and that heteronormative audience consumes it. It's just basic statistics.

 

[Hitokage]

Assuming that graphic literature follows similar media demographic curves (which it definitely does), every country where manga is sold. Japan is a heteronormative society, so the majority of it is written to a hertonormative audience, and that heteronormative audience consumes it. It's just basic statistics.

Statistics you never bothered to check. Anime demographics are much more limited than manga demographics in Japan.

ie. Women exist, and they read manga.

 

[InfiniteNine]

Those both look inactive, but I'll check them out anyway.

They are just monthly series so chapters are up accordingly.

 

[hellclerk]

Statistics you never bothered to check. Anime demographics are much more limited than manga demographics in Japan.

ie. Women exist, and they read manga.

Oh please, that goes into the patriarchial society and feminism, which is only tangentially related to queer theory in its use of binaries. Women are an EQUAL part of the heteronormative culture, their existence is assumed.

 

[Uchip]

Statistics you never bothered to check. Anime demographics are much more limited than manga demographics in Japan.

ie. Women exist, and they read manga.

huge amounts of women read manga
my friends sister laughed when she found out that he was watching full moon wo sagashite
as it was one of her favourite manga
id say its closer to being socionormative, even though thats grasping since reading manga is so fucking common over there

 

[InfiniteNine]

"The big brain am winning again! I am the GREETEST! Now I am leaving Earth for NO RAISIN!"

Futurama, Season 2 Episode 7: The Day The Earth Stood Stupid

I like that episode~! Fry being the smartest person on Earth is a hoot.

 

[firehawk12]

"The big brain am winning again! I am the GREETEST! Now I am leaving Earth for NO RAISIN!"

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12085667/futurama_fry_brainspawn.jpg[IMG]

Futurama, Season 2 Episode 7: The Day The Earth Stood Stupid[/QUOTE]
Your Freudian slip is showing!

 

[/XX/]

Shinbo's directing is pretty gimmicky, but at least he's creative. I just don't like 90% of what he works on because the material doesn't interest me. But Ando on the other hand, is one fucking awesome traditional director. He doesn't rely on gimmicks and unusual camera styles to compose his scenes, but his direction has an excellent film-like quality to it in terms of understanding how to compose a setting and the layout.

Maybe that difference is accentuated (and explained) by Masahiro Ando exceptional work as a storyboard maker, no? I mean, what Masahiko Minami praises the most of Mr. Ando labor at BONES since RahXephon has been his storyboards. He has a base knowledge in that area, frames the pictures in a clever and subtle way to make the most of the action scenes, and that reflects in his efficient work as a director. Akiyuki Shinbo work, on the other hand, feels like an experimental approach to direction, acute but a bit amateur, and his extreme and non traditional focus in composition certainly takes advantage of digital editing (I suppose that is one of the reasons Mitsutoshi Kubota impulsed the DIGITAL@SHAFT department at the same time Mr. Shinbo is appointed as supervisor).

Also, duckroll, do you think Mr. Ando will return as a director of another important BONES production? Or is he so implicated with P.A. Works that he won't come back (to be in a major role, that is)?

 

[7Th]

When I said "discussion" and "analysis", I was talking about stuff similar to what Pelleas' Ben posts when he isn't feeling lazy rather than the "thematic analysis", also known as "fanwank" or "stating the obvious", that is so popular among Evangelion fans

Spoiler

and firehawk

.

 

[firehawk12]

When I said "discussion" and "analysis", I was talking about stuff similar to what Pelleas' Ben posts when he isn't feeling lazy rather than the "thematic analysis", also known as "fanwank" or "stating the obvious", that is so popular among Evangelion fans

Spoiler

and firehawk

.

Love you too!

 

[Hitokage]

Oh please, that goes into the patriarchial society and feminism, which is only tangentially related to queer theory in its use of binaries. Women are an EQUAL part of the heteronormative culture, their existence is assumed.

The tag is entirely appropriate for your insistence on gender representation in the discussion that inspired it.

 

[Lafiel]

Also, is it me or have OPINIONS discussions in this thread gotten worse lately? I think people kind of used to somewhat justify their OPINIONS in the past; nowadays, we just post what we think and don't bother trying to argument why we think what we think. The Madoka discussion that was had last week and the P&S discussion of a few pages ago are the perfect examples of what I'm talking about. Maybe we just, like duckroll said, realized that nobody actually reads half of what we post in these threads.

I blame a certain poster that i will not name.

Aoi-Hana 2

I still find Wandering Son to be a far more interesting property, but this is a good show. I suppose you might prefer it if you're really into girls crying.

It is, but it's due to wandering son being a natural evolution of Aoi hana style, there is a lot more meat to it because of the larger cast, more interesting themes and such. The only characters that i personally found engaging in aoi hana - were the two main leads.

As far as adaptations go - aoi hana is still superior though!

 

[firehawk12]

As far as adaptations go - aoi hana is still superior though!

*Dresden-inspired bro-fist*

 

[Uchip]

I blame a certain poster that i will not name.

its ok
i know you love me

 

[Steroyd]

I want to be entertained first, who makes it, plot, art, this viewing angle is off, etc stuff can come after.

*brofist*

 

[jman2050]

So when are you going to post a bulleted outline of your rules for what does and doesn't constitute proper animu discussion, eh?

Don't tempt him.

 

[firehawk12]

So when are you going to post a bulleted outline of your rules for what does and doesn't constitute proper animu discussion, eh?

• Introduction/Thesis
• Examples
• Analysis
• Conclusion

Also applies to undergrad English Lit. :lol