Jex
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It's time to embrace the future.
Spring Anime 2012 | Welcome Home, Space Cowboy
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It's time to embrace the future.
Hellsing321
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I can't help that I'm horribad mocapped CG intolerant.
I need to know what definition of "hand-drawn" you two are working from.
While these are minor details in that initial scene, when you consider
what is being foreshadowed, the overall show, and the nature of paradigm city its a bit more interesting I think
Dedication Through Light
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I await the episode when we dont have to hear the sound effect for the heart anymore. They should save it for when he actually does something that is winning level.
Jex
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It's in the composition as well. Someone consciously made the choice to layer the visuals with these specific facts. It could have looked like any old warehosue space and we (the viewer) wouldn't have questioned it because we wouldn't know that something massive had been constructed there - which is why it's foreshadowing. Someone decided to design a realistic space that could potentially have been used to hold some object.
It's subtle, too, because of the striking composition in the shot itself. The huge doorway and long shadows of Roger and Dorothy are the real focus of the image, not the ancillary details which can easily pass you by the first time.
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You're talking to somebody who called Bebop ep1 bad!
Assuming you mean "sakuga" when you say "god tier stuff", that stuff is hand drawn. the gifs I had are too big to upload, maybe someone else can help me out here. Now, by hand drawn, I mean an animator sat down with his packet of ramen and painstakingly drew some keyframes that were then scanned and coloured digitally.
Jex
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Speaking of subtle background stuff:
[Patlabor OVA 3]
This episode is essentially a homage to giant monsters, Godzilla and all that stuff. It's inherently silly but because this is Oshii you should always be paying attention. For example, the scientist's lab is quite interesting.
Fish imagery - this is classic Oshii. As is -
The giant fossil hanging on the wall. What's that over in the corner by the sofa?
That's right, it's an egg. Oh Oshii!
As a bonus, Oshii even threw in on of his trademark 'distorted character' shots where we view a character through some distortion, such as a fish-eye lens.
[Patlabor OVA 3]
This episode is essentially a homage to giant monsters, Godzilla and all that stuff. It's inherently silly but because this is Oshii you should always be paying attention. For example, the scientist's lab is quite interesting.
Fish imagery - this is classic Oshii. As is -
The giant fossil hanging on the wall. What's that over in the corner by the sofa?
That's right, it's an egg. Oh Oshii!
As a bonus, Oshii even threw in on of his trademark 'distorted character' shots where we view a character through some distortion, such as a fish-eye lens.
but the setting is still going to be the same place, it's just basic consistency to have it big.
Now this I agree with, but the reasons you cited at first (Big things are big!) weren't that great.
I didn't say that the direction or composition or animation of the first episode was bad.
chickdigger802
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oops. I mean... hmmm... what do you call the things between shit tier and god tier?
'pleasant tier'?
And I'm miku-ed out. Back to making cute gif's designed to kill cajunator.
Jex
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Wait, really? This somehow passed me by!
oops. I mean... hmmm... what do you call the things between shit tier and god tier?
'pleasant tier'?
And I'm miku-ed out. Back to making cute gif's designed to kill cajunator.
If you could provide some examples in screenshots or mentions of specific scenes, that would help clarify what you mean!
CG miku is scary.
animated miku is [redacted]
Megurine Luka is better.
Building them is a lot of work. Drawing such a thing is quite simple.
animated miku is [redacted]
Megurine Luka is better.
Building them is a lot of work. Drawing such a thing is quite simple.
Since otherwise I'll carry this to my grave, let me clarify this: I don't think Cowboy Bebop episode 1 is a bad episode as a self contained episode. I dislike it for reasons that don't have to do with it's goodness or badness. Furthermore, I don't claim that Cowboy bebop itself is a bad show, since I haven't watched past episode 1 and I don't make claims about stuff I haven't seen. Just because I dislike the first episode doesn't mean I don't recognize what it does well.
Just because I dislike the first episode doesn't mean I don't recognize what it does well.
Jex
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I only ever watched that episode and the very first episode, but I'm told that it was the highlight of the series. I never really set aside to check out whether that claim was true or not.
Ultimadrago
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Envelope waited for the angry mob to burn crops and throw a couple pitchforks before clarifying their position!
Since otherwise I'll carry this to my grave, let me clarify this: I don't think Cowboy Bebop episode 1 is a bad episode as a self contained episode. I dislike it for reasons that don't have to do with it's goodness or badness. Furthermore, I don't claim that Cowboy bebop itself is a bad show, since I haven't watched past episode 1 and I don't make claims about stuff I haven't seen.
I'm genuinely curious - you don't dislike Cowboy Bebop because of its quality? So what do you dislike it for?
Hey, it's like that guy from Gojira. He's got a lab and an eyepatch!Speaking of subtle background stuff:
[Patlabor OVA 3]
This episode is essentially a homage to giant monsters, Godzilla and all that stuff. It's inherently silly but because this is Oshii you should always be paying attention. For example, the scientist's lab is quite interesting.
Still not CG tier?
chickdigger802
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hmmm... I was thinking of those CGish scenes you see in KyoAni stuff where the hair are flowing...
hmm... those dream sequences in clannad?
hmmm...
This is a noble endeavor. Which reminds me. I have never been in a flea market. Many pawn shops though.
given my love for americana and antiques, you would think I would have visited several in my lifetime.
Since otherwise I'll carry this to my grave, let me clarify this: I don't think Cowboy Bebop episode 1 is a bad episode as a self contained episode. I dislike it for reasons that don't have to do with it's goodness or badness. Furthermore, I don't claim that Cowboy bebop itself is a bad show, since I haven't watched past episode 1 and I don't make claims about stuff I haven't seen.
You can rectify your mistakes by watching more Bebop, y'know. :s
Jex
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You prophet you.
What happens if there's nothing on VHS, but they have some old laserdiscs?
chickdigger802
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It's not impossible, I've done it before. Went to a flea market last year where someone had a ton of old 90s OVAs that were former rentals for $2 each. Bought Casshan: Robot Hunter. Regretted not getting the rest, some might have been rare.
oops. I mean... hmmm... what do you call the things between shit tier and god tier?
'pleasant tier'?
And I'm miku-ed out. Back to making cute gif's designed to kill cajunator.
Yes. get back to doing this.
Dedication Through Light
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They actually released anime on VHS? How many episodes could be on one? four?
The fuck man, I thought we were bros.
Hey thorax, what do you have to say about this.
RurouniZel
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Miku comes in many forms, but I love her all the same. <3
People don't like change. Within 5-10 years all anime will be CG and outsourced to korea.
Piiiiiii~~~~
I know people here will tell me I'm wrong, but I could watch that all day.
Hey thorax, what do you have to say about this.
I'll watch Sailor Moon if you watch Cowboy Bebop. Deal?
Here I posted the god-tier OP to sweeten the pot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHup5T-6jqg
Ultimadrago
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Hey thorax, what do you have to say about this.
Your thoughtlessness in regards to nakama has brought this upon you, Envelope.
just according to keikaku~
The 80's sci fi aesthetic didn't really appeal to me, and as an introduction to the series, I felt it was lacking.
Kyoani has great character animators, i don't know whether they'd be flattered or insulted that you compare them to CG.
Jex
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Now that is quite the exaggeration. Chihayafuru isn't nearly that bad!
chickdigger802
Banned
just according to keikaku~
The 80's sci fi aesthetic didn't really appeal to me, and as an introduction to the series, I felt it was lacking.
Kyoani has great character animators, i don't know whether they'd be flattered or insulted that you compare them to CG.
lol. I blame my deteriorating eyesight + modern anime. It's all blending!
80s?
But you already promised me you'd watch Sailor Moon.
Also, I think I had the wrong expectations when I watched Cowboy Bebop, which always manages to sour an experience, even when neither the viewer nor the thing being viewed is at fault.
I really like the full Tank, but I didn't like the cut they used for the OP.
I missed his edit.
Jex
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It'll definitely be something allright.
My mistake, 90's. Although I remember the actual aesthetic feeling older....
Ultimadrago
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Woo Hoo!
Hellsing321
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The lord our god Watanbe surely can't approve of having an unbeliever in our midst.
You can't expect us to take your opinion on this seriously if you get even basic facts about it wrong.
Hey thorax, what do you have to say about this.
I said it earlier in one of my posts: It was about Bebop.
Just because we have a disagreement on one thing doesn't mean we can't be though! True nakama stick through things thick and thin, and we will.
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